"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[TekTheNinja]

Also, is it really too much to ask for Piccolo to get just one win? Just one. That's all I wanted. I don't expect him to achieve god tier or anything. I don't expect him to kill Hit or whoever the villain of the arc turns out to be. I just wanted ONE win in the tournament. They couldn't even let me have that though. And what's worse is basically every character disrespecting him. Mainly Goku telling him he has no chance and Vegeta bullying him into forfeiting. Toriyama claims Piccolo is his favorite character, but I'm honestly not sure I believe that with how much Piccolo is disrespected by both the show and the creators.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

If Goku can be sensed while battling Freeza then it means that he isn't using his god ki and that's impossible. Freeza would one shot him right away.

The base and Super Saiyan forms just got boosted because of the ritual without the need of god ki. If Goku uses god ki then his Super Saiyan form turns to Super Saiyan Blue.

As I just said, Kaio and Kaioshin are gods. In order to teleport to them (which we see and hear him talk about doing), Goku would have to be able to sense them for Shunkan-ido to lock on. it's entirely possible that Goku's "Saiyan Beyond God" state could have that version of god ki, allowing him to be sensed and power up, while Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan taps into the full, non-sensible version Super Saiyan God granted.

There's absolutely nothing stated on the matter in the series because Super seems to be afraid of explaining pretty much anything. You can't tell me I'm wrong, I can't tell you you're wrong. So I don't see why it was worth starting a debate.

[ZombieVito]

The deal with SBG is that said Saiyan manages to absorb the power of SSG into himself. Now tell me why would the non detectable god ki that Goku absorbed will be different in base or Super Saiyan?

But you are right. We can't be sure until the explain the whole thing. Maybe the manga will.

Also, is it really too much to ask for Piccolo to get just one win? Just one. That's all I wanted. I don't expect him to achieve god tier or anything. I don't expect him to kill Hit or whoever the villain of the arc turns out to be. I just wanted ONE win in the tournament. They couldn't even let me have that though. And what's worse is basically every character disrespecting him. Mainly Goku telling him he has no chance and Vegeta bullying him into forfeiting. Toriyama claims Piccolo is his favorite character, but I'm honestly not sure I believe that with how much Piccolo is disrespected by both the show and the creators.

Yes. This is the Goku and Vegeta show.

[Bullza]

It's been the Goku and Vegeta show for years.

When was the last time Piccolo beat anybody? Was it Android 20? The battle with Frost has been Piccolo's biggest fight since he fought Android 17.

Besides Gohan when he beat Cell it's always really been either Goku or Vegeta getting the worthwhile wins.

Resurrection F was at least good for giving people like Piccolo, Tien, Krillin and Roshi there first notable action scene in a long time.

[sintzu]

Toriyama claims Piccolo is his favorite character, but I'm honestly not sure I believe that with how much Piccolo is disrespected by both the show and the creators.

And he claimed that he didn't like Vegeta all that much so I think his opinion has changed over the years.

[omaro34]

It's been the Goku and Vegeta show for years.

When was the last time Piccolo beat anybody? Was it Android 20? The battle with Frost has been Piccolo's biggest fight since he fought Android 17.

Besides Gohan when he beat Cell it's always really been either Goku or Vegeta getting the worthwhile wins.

Resurrection F was at least good for giving people like Piccolo, Tien, Krillin and Roshi there first notable action scene in a long time.

We all know this. The reason many were so upset is because this time they teased us with something different. Even hinting at the possibility that someone else outside of Goku and Vegeta from the original main cast getting a bigger role would excite many fans.

Then those fake episode titles came along, and they implied that Piccolo beat Frost and was fighting Magetta next. This was so mean man. Literally so many people were so hyped, so pumped, we finally get to see diversity in the roles, and not always those two Saiyans that has truly become a reccurring pattern.

The uproar was hence justified when people saw the episode. I was happy with the fight, but Vegeta stepping in and Piccolo forfeiting was the main reason people were justifiably annoyed.

We just thought this time would be different, but it never is. Hell, Gohan and Gotenks are just as relevant as Puar as of right now. I accepted this. And I sure as hell won't be falling for the hype again.

[sintzu]

You know what I've noticed? Nobody complains when things go "according to plan." Even if the plan is horrifying! If, tomorrow, I tell the community that, like, Vegeta gets one shotted by Frost, or Goku loses to Hit, nobody panics, because it's all "part of the plan". But when I say that one little weak Namakian will forfeit his match, well then everyone loses their minds!

[namekiansaiyan]

You know what I've noticed? Nobody complains when things go "according to plan." Even if the plan is horrifying! If, tomorrow, I tell the community that, like, Vegeta gets one shotted by Frost, or Goku loses to Hit, nobody panics, because it's all "part of the plan". But when I say that one little weak Namakian will forfeit his match, well then everyone loses their minds!

Because that namekian who proved he can compete won and for no good reason was made to forfeit and that means less screen time for a unique interesting fighter for someone we have seen a lot.

[namekiansaiyan]

I'm not so sure the gap between their strengths was that big. Piccolo allowed Frost to hit him in the leg and the other hits Frost connected did not do that much damage. There's also the fact that Frost couldn't get free of Piccolo's arm hold. Not to mention that Piccolo blocked many hits with one hand. They definitively weren't worlds apart.

But Piccolo was still the weakest of the two, otherwise he would have fought normally.

I'm sure Piccolo let Frost hit him and knock him back so he could grab him with his arm.
Going on the evidence Piccolo could have matched Frost easily . He used the Special Beam Cannon to get the match over quickly beacuse of what Goku said but Goku was wrong beacuse he did not know how he lost so he thought Frost was near to his own pwer.

[SansrivaaL]

People are losing it because they got super teased by the fake titles and was expecting a win for the big bad namekian noob
Its kinda fun actually because they were so suuuure that Piccolo's gonna get 2 fights and actually winning one and then BANG enters the Vegeta fanservice for Vegeta fanboys.
I for one actually find it more fitting like this, I mean Vegeta's literally the evil kind of guy in the team, he does stuffs like this, its fun how Goku and Vegeta looks down on him tho, I hated how Goku told him that he had no chance but hated what Vegeta did more when he threatened Piccolo to drop out.

[namekiansaiyan]

People are losing it because they got super teased by the fake titles and was expecting a win for the big bad namekian noob
Its kinda fun actually because they were so suuuure that Piccolo's gonna get 2 fights and actually winning one and then BANG enters the Vegeta fanservice for Vegeta fanboys.
I for one actually find it more fitting like this, I mean Vegeta's literally the evil kind of guy in the team, he does stuffs like this, its fun how Goku and Vegeta looks down on him tho, I hated how Goku told him that he had no chance but hated what Vegeta did more when he threatened Piccolo to drop out.

Goku was wrong about Piccolo even beerus was impressed with his movement.
Vegeta could of said that Piccolo can come back afterwards after this match since he seemed to make up the rules
and why did Piccolo say yes to Vegeta.

[SansrivaaL]

People are losing it because they got super teased by the fake titles and was expecting a win for the big bad namekian noob
Its kinda fun actually because they were so suuuure that Piccolo's gonna get 2 fights and actually winning one and then BANG enters the Vegeta fanservice for Vegeta fanboys.
I for one actually find it more fitting like this, I mean Vegeta's literally the evil kind of guy in the team, he does stuffs like this, its fun how Goku and Vegeta looks down on him tho, I hated how Goku told him that he had no chance but hated what Vegeta did more when he threatened Piccolo to drop out.

Goku was wrong about Piccolo even beerus was impressed with his movement.
Vegeta could of said that Piccolo can come back afterwards after this match since he seemed to make up the rules
and why did Piccolo say yes to Vegeta.

Nah, Goku was right, Goku at SSJ1 lost, unless you think that Piccolo>>SSJ1 Goku, he probably thought Frost had some technique that can make his enemy drowsy hence why he said Piccolo had no chance, its their fault that they couldnt see through Frost's cheating method. I dare say if it werent for Jaco all of em would have kicked the bucket besides Monaka (possibly) and if it were a real fight Piccolo would have been the 1st one to bite the dust. Dont know about Goku since he said so himself that he wasnt at full power when he was fighting.
Beerus wasnt impressed, he was merely cheering for his team as a sponsor should do.

This is Vegeta we are talking about, the guy that got pissed off from watching Gohan's poor display of fighting against Dabura and wanted to blast/destroy the ship they were in if it werent for Goku stopping him. He probably got bored and wanted his turn because 1 Frost is cheating so he wants to beat the fck out of him or 2 he simply finds Frost's voice irritating hence he wants to shut him up or 3 he see's that Piccolo wont be useful anymore and he wants to finish this tournament now (which I hope he loses to Frost so that he would be a laughtingstock )

You could take it as Piccolo's scared of Vegeta, he knows Vegeta would have drop kicked his ass out of the ring and there's nothing he can do about it.

This is just the 1st part of the arc, highly doubt it will end with just a YAY team U7 or U6 wins Earth transfers or not. Its obvious that the super dragon balls will come into play later on and create a twist, thats where shit is gonna go down and where Gohan,Piccolo,Goten,Trunks and most of them would probably get their screen time. (at least thats what I hope)

[Neon Z]

The hilarious thing is that Vegeta fans soon will be whining just Piccolo's since they'll never be satisfied with anything bellow Vegeta taking over the show as the new main character. Giving "fanservice" to them is pointless.

Before I watched yesterday's highly anticipated Piccolo highlight episode I watched Big Green's classic scene on Namek when he fused with Nail.

YES! I CAN WIN! I FEEL GREAT, I CAN DO THIS UGHHHH!!!!!!!

Then our hearts were broken, with Goku's remark of Piccolo standing no chance, and Vegeta then remarking that Piccolo's Special beam Cannon was "pathetic", along with the rest.

Piccolo forfeiting the match in favor of one of those two heavily favored Saiyans really rubbed me off the wrong way in terms of how I view Super in general.

Champa was impressed by Piccolo's attack breaking through his barrier though. Vegeta underestimating it is just Vegeta being Vegeta.

[SansrivaaL]

The hilarious thing is that Vegeta fans soon will be whining just Piccolo's since they'll never be satisfied with anything bellow Vegeta taking over the show as the new main character. Giving "fanservice" to them is pointless.

Before I watched yesterday's highly anticipated Piccolo highlight episode I watched Big Green's classic scene on Namek when he fused with Nail.

YES! I CAN WIN! I FEEL GREAT, I CAN DO THIS UGHHHH!!!!!!!

Then our hearts were broken, with Goku's remark of Piccolo standing no chance, and Vegeta then remarking that Piccolo's Special beam Cannon was "pathetic", along with the rest.

Piccolo forfeiting the match in favor of one of those two heavily favored Saiyans really rubbed me off the wrong way in terms of how I view Super in general.

Champa was impressed by Piccolo's attack breaking through his barrier though. Vegeta underestimating it is just Vegeta being Vegeta.

Vegeta was right, it takes too long to charge, if Frost was at a 100% Piccolo wouldnt have the slightest chance of winning.
Chanpa wasnt impressed, he was just surprised, would people stop saying Beerus was impressed and Chanpa was impressed, that was not the case at all. What they did was normal and nothing from Goku/Vegeta or any of them would impress them, they're the gods of destruction after all.

[namekiansaiyan]

The hilarious thing is that Vegeta fans soon will be whining just Piccolo's since they'll never be satisfied with anything bellow Vegeta taking over the show as the new main character. Giving "fanservice" to them is pointless.

Before I watched yesterday's highly anticipated Piccolo highlight episode I watched Big Green's classic scene on Namek when he fused with Nail.

YES! I CAN WIN! I FEEL GREAT, I CAN DO THIS UGHHHH!!!!!!!

Then our hearts were broken, with Goku's remark of Piccolo standing no chance, and Vegeta then remarking that Piccolo's Special beam Cannon was "pathetic", along with the rest.

Piccolo forfeiting the match in favor of one of those two heavily favored Saiyans really rubbed me off the wrong way in terms of how I view Super in general.

Champa was impressed by Piccolo's attack breaking through his barrier though. Vegeta underestimating it is just Vegeta being Vegeta.

Vegeta was right, it takes too long to charge, if Frost was at a 100% Piccolo wouldnt have the slightest chance of winning.
Chanpa wasnt impressed, he was just surprised, would people stop saying Beerus was impressed and Chanpa was impressed, that was not the case at all. What they did was normal and nothing from Goku/Vegeta or any of them would impress them, they're the gods of destruction after all.

You are the one who cant accept they were impressed by Piccolo, they showed Piccolo's attack destroying the some to show gow powerful it was.
Goku assumes that because he lost Piccolo can't win and Vegeta never praises anyone, the simple fact is Piccolo was dominating, every attack Frost hit Piccolo with was because Piccolo let and I'm sure Frost was lying about being really tired just like he was with everything else. I also predict that Frost will cheat again against Vegeta and that is when Hit will step in as he has had enough of Frost.

[sintzu]

Vegeta fans will never be satisfied with anything bellow Vegeta taking over the show as the new main character.

He just defeated a main villain in the previous arc so of course we have higher expectations for him now unlike the Gohan & Piccolo fans who are so desperate to see their favorites do anything that all it takes to satisfy them is to have those 2 fight Freeza grunts.

[namekiansaiyan]

Vegeta fans will never be satisfied with anything bellow Vegeta taking over the show as the new main character.

He just defeated a main villain in the previous arc so of course we have higher expectations for him now unlike the Gohan & Piccolo fans who are so desperate to see their favorites do anything that all it takes to satisfy them is to have those 2 fight Freeza grunts.

Obviously Gohan and Piccolo fans want more then that as evidenced by the outrage in this thread and around the internet.

[SansrivaaL]

You are the one who cant accept they were impressed by Piccolo, they showed Piccolo's attack destroying the some to show gow powerful it was.
Goku assumes that because he lost Piccolo can't win and Vegeta never praises anyone, the simple fact is Piccolo was dominating, every attack Frost hit Piccolo with was because Piccolo let and I'm sure Frost was lying about being really tired just like he was with everything else. I also predict that Frost will cheat again against Vegeta and that is when Hit will step in as he has had enough of Frost.

Its not that I cant accept it, its that "it was not implied that they were impressed by it" seriously now both Gods of destruction be surprised from what Piccolo can do? what is there to be impressed about? its not like they cant do what Piccolo just showed. Seriously they're like watching turtles fighting each other from what they can do.

So basically you think Picclo>>>SSJ1 Goku then? Vegeta praised Goku multiple times and was even surprised by Piccolo on the android arc when Piccolo closed the gap between the saiyans and him, were we watching the same show?
Piccolo was dominating yes, against a guy that just got his ass handed by Goku, basically ROF all over again, with Piccolo getting the Vegeta treatment. Frost lied about his personality yes but we all saw how Goku trashed him right? with you thinking that had no effect on him is beyond me.

[sintzu]

Obviously Gohan and Piccolo fans want more then that as evidenced by the outrage in this thread and around the internet.

Maybe I exaggerated a bit but my point is, when a character does something then his fans are going to want more.

Piccolo hasn't done anything relevant since his fight with #17 which explains why his fans wanted him to win here but they shouldn't get this worked up over what happened cause he's been irrelevant since that fight which was a very very long time ago so what happened shouldn't be that surprising.

Look at Gohan, he's Goku's son, he defeated Cell and at the end of the Buu arc he was the strongest unfused character so if he can't get any relevancy here, why should Piccolo ?

[alakazam^]

So your logic is...they shouldn't be mad at the episode because the arc isn't over? That people who earnestly root for Piccolo should chill cause "Maybe he'll get to do a thing."

Yeah no, I think Big green's fanbase are due some justified anger at this episode, it crapped on a character they enjoy, made him defer to a character he just generally doesn't like and robs him of going forward. Cause lets be honest, if Piccolo had told Vegeta to fuck off (Which he should have.) Frost would be DQed, Piccolo would move on to fight Magetta and U7 would be a step closer to keep their flipping planet! But no, we need to have Piccolo give up and let Vegeta take the stage cause we need to let Vegeta fight the Freeza clone cause Vegeta MUST fight everyone and everything that looks even remotely like Freeza.

I don't think anyone is saying they aren't entitled to their opinion but they don't need to keep posting the same stuff over and over about this "Goku and Vegeta show" nonsense because that's not even a proper opinion, it comes off as childish tantrum.

Does anyone actually believe either Toei or Toriyama care enough about fictional characters to "crap" on them or humiliate them? I mean, Toriyama probably enjoyed the beating he gave Vegeta at the hands of Freeza or having Chichi be stepped on by Boo but I would assume he's surpassed that now. It just seems silly that peoply actualy think professionals get this attached to characters that don't actually exist and can easily just write them however they see fit.

I'd also like to point out that Vegeta and Piccolo are on good terms and have been for a long time. They respect and understand one another, they just keep their "grumpy" facade, there's no bullying between them. Piccolo knows when to step down and that's what happened here, Vegeta was just the first to be vocal about that. You guys project yourselves too much on the characters and forget they have a "life" of their own.