Discussion, generally of an in-universe nature, regarding any aspect of the franchise (including movies, spin-offs, etc.) such as: techniques, character relationships, internal back-history, its universe, and more.
Noah wrote:100% Full Power Beerus runs the gaunlet:
(Note: Survival battles, no healing)
- Super Saiyan God Goku (BoG)
- Saiyan Beyond God Vegeta
- Golden Freeza
- Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku (Post RoSaT)
- Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku (Post RoSaT)
- Monaka
- 100% Full Power Champa
Wins w/o using any effort whatsoever.
Same,but way easier.
Freeza gets his ass handed to him the same how he got from Vegeta.
Wins with medium difficulty.
Wins after a hard battle.
Beerus will be way too fatigued at this point.He loses.
Noah wrote:100% Full Power Beerus runs the gaunlet:
(Note: Survival battles, no healing)
- Super Saiyan God Goku (BoG)
- Saiyan Beyond God Vegeta
- Golden Freeza
- Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku (Post RoSaT)
- Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku (Post RoSaT)
- Monaka
- 100% Full Power Champa
- One-shots
- Finger flicks
- Wins with ease
- Wins with trouble
-After losing last battle, goku devices a strategy, & beats beerus
- ?????
- Too tired to win, loses.
NOTE: if SSB goku wasn't there twice in a row, he clears
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
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Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
Noah wrote:100% Full Power Beerus runs the gaunlet:
(Note: Survival battles, no healing)
- Super Saiyan God Goku (BoG)
- Saiyan Beyond God Vegeta
- Golden Freeza
- Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku (Post RoSaT)
- Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegeta (Post RoSaT)
- Monaka
- 100% Full Power Champa
- One shots
- Two shots
- Easily beats
- The fight is great and Goku lands some hit, but Beerus is again a lot stronger
- Same as with Goku
- I would guess same as with Goku and Vegeta, but we still have to see what Monaka's capable of
- Intense fight which Beerus is able to win in the end because Champa gets tired cause he's fat. Champa is able to do some serious damage to Beerus tho
悟 “Vincit qui se vincit”
What I consider canonical
Spoiler:
Dragon Ball Manga
Jaco: The Galactic Patrolman
Yo! Son Goku and Friends Return
Additional lore from Toriyama
Dragon Ball Daima
Mr. Popo. He can up his speed at any point, making normal speed seem like slowmotion to him, so every drop short or fast shot Federer tries would be easily defended by him and Federer would sadly be served up a triple bagel.
Bullza wrote:SSJ3 Goku at the start of Super vs Mystic Gohan in the Buu saga
0%/100% - There's no indication Goku made significant gains, if any. In terms of power he lags behind in copious amounts. I can't see any technique or strategy, capable of trumping such a power difference.
Roronoa-pt wrote:After the last episode of Super, let's discuss Piccolo's power level.
Piccolo, from Champa saga, versus:
Botamo
Fat Buu
SSJ3 Goku ( Buu saga )
Ultimate Gohan ( Buu saga )
Frost 1st form
Frost "monster form" ( 3rd or 2nd form, who knows )
Well it depends, If Special Beam Cannon bypasses Botamo's ability then Piccolo wins, if not he loses.
Fat Buu stomps.
Goku Stomps.
Gohan Stomps.
Piccolo probably.
I don't really know what Frost you're referring to, If you mean his assault form(Frieza's third) then I'll go with Frost, if you mean a hypothetical (Frieza's second) then I'll go with.....Piccolo.
Roronoa-pt wrote:After the last episode of Super, let's discuss Piccolo's power level.
Piccolo, from Champa saga, versus:
Botamo
Fat Buu
SSJ3 Goku ( Buu saga )
Ultimate Gohan ( Buu saga )
Frost 1st form
Frost "monster form" ( 3rd or 2nd form, who knows )
He isn't passing Boo, Goku and Gohan because he simply can't keep with their level. He manages to see through Botamo's weakness much like Goku did. If he can defeat a Tired Final Form Frost who is much stronger than Base Saiyans who are close to Assault Form Frost, then Piccolo doesn't even need makkankosappo to handle Frost's lesser forms.
Roronoa-pt wrote:After the last episode of Super, let's discuss Piccolo's power level.
Piccolo, from Champa saga, versus:
Botamo
Fat Buu
SSJ3 Goku ( Buu saga )
Ultimate Gohan ( Buu saga )
Frost 1st form
Frost "monster form" ( 3rd or 2nd form, who knows )
He's not getting pass Botamo.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Buutenks and Buuhan vs Fat Buu, Super Buu, Gray Buu, Mr.Buu and Kid Buu
All blood lusted, No candy beam or absorption.
Bootenks alone slaughters everyone. Throwing in Boohan is overkill.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
