Complaint regarding Naruto (comparison with DB filler)

[Super Sonic]

I remember reading here recently that the Dragon Ball anime was the most accurate to the manga as any other anime serie. Can this be varified?

It definately is not counting GT.

[Duo]

I remember reading here recently that the Dragon Ball anime was the most accurate to the manga as any other anime serie. Can this be varified?

Try Death Note, or One Piece, or Saiyuki.

[Mystery Person X]

One Piece and Saiyuki are both fillerific as hell, as is DBZ. One Piece and DBZ at least can be called very accurate to the manga, if you take into account that a lot of extra material was added between the (accurately adapted) manga material.

Death Note seems to be the best contender so far, although I'd say the mood of the anime is noticeably different (they really play up the melodrama, so certain scenes end up being unintentionally funny rather than serious).

I hear the Hellsing OVA series is a very accurate adaptation, though I haven't seen it or read the manga.

[Duo]

One Piece and Saiyuki are both fillerific as hell, as is DBZ. One Piece and DBZ at least can be called very accurate to the manga, if you take into account that a lot of extra material was added between the (accurately adapted) manga material.

Death Note seems to be the best contender so far, although I'd say the mood of the anime is noticeably different (they really play up the melodrama, so certain scenes end up being unintentionally funny rather than serious).

I hear the Hellsing OVA series is a very accurate adaptation, though I haven't seen it or read the manga.

I would contend that Saiyuki has less Filler than the likes of Dragonball (Z), but I've only seen 20 episodes thus far, and I know it keys up the Filler levels much more soon.

[Vhanos]

For those of you who can't spell it's Studio Pierrot. Thanks
Yes, it seems Pierrot has gone downhill with Naruto & Bleach. Despite what most of you say they've done an excellent job with Yu Yu Hakusho & HunterxHunter. I also find it amazing that HxH (excluding the last 2 OVAs) is the only recent past anime that had hand drawn artwork & none of this digital & filler bastardization crap that Pierrot has been giving us lately. To me it looks like Togashi-san is (or actually was) keeping a good eye on them regarding both of his anime adaptations.

I've seen the YYH manga but with HxH only a little bit. With YYH they tried more and put some effort into their fillers though I thought some of them didn't make sense or weren't that amusing compared to when reading the manga counterpart.

Basically I disagree completely.

Here's what I think the problem is. Dragon Ball fillers are done within the episodes. The Naruto, and Bleach's, fillers are not done within the episode. Actually, they are, but not nearly enough like Dragon Balls. Like pointed out by another poster Naruto tried to be as fillerless as possible.

First of all, I think it's a much better idea to have a big block of filler that you can just ignore than to have all of the story episodes weighed down by 10-15 minutes of filler. Sure, it's annoying that Naruto has been crap for two years, but in years to come it'll mean the more important parts of the series are better and the filler can just be ignored completely. With DBZ, we're stuck with an anime that you can only watch if you're prepared to sit through tons of irrelevant crap.

Secondly, the plot episodes of Naruto had plenty of filler in them. It was just (a) not done to such an extreme and (b) not done so poorly as in DBZ. Naruto's pacing is slow, and there are too many flashbacks, but at least the fights tend to be over in a few episodes, and without tons of random cutaways to the wacky adventures of whoever's-not-involved-in-this-fight.

They really should have planned better though, to prevent this ridiculous situation of filler for two solid years (thankfully ending in about 3 weeks). They should have included more short filler arcs as the series was going along, and for this inevitable mass of filler they should have come up with a proper new villain and an actual ongoing storyline. These repetitive "let's go on a mission in the Hidden Village of Arbitrary Crap" mini-arcs are the most creatively bankrupt thing they could possibly have done with the series.

You're welcome to. But I have objections to make of my own.

What do you define as irrelevant? The only things I would find of irrelevance is if a scene didn't do much to enhance a scene leading up to before it or for future scenes ahead. If the fillers are half or a quarter of the episode I can do some more careful inspecting. If the fillers are a full episode I have the choice of either watching it or not to and can make me wonder if it is worth it or not. I find a filler with 1/2 or 1/4 of an episode easier to cope with than a pack of straight filler episodes that halt the canon storyline for a while.

Naruto did have fillers within the episodes (as I said previously). But not plenty enough compared to Dragon Ball. And it's like they do it but only after every other episode from what I've seen. Not done extremely? I guess so. Not done so poorly? I don't agree. The fights in Naruto do end quicker. But the difference that I saw is that the fillers in DBZ had more action. Where in Naruto what I saw were stuff that makes things more stagnant. Like scenes that expand the flashback or a characters thought. Or scenes that had little movement in the action with too many pauses in between.

The episodes since the prelude to the Naruto Sasuke fight have been about them going on missions to many sorts of places and to keep Naruto from going after Sasuke. Doing more short filler arcs would help. But doing them more during the canon storyline within the canon episodes in between can help too if not a bit more. Plus if they were able to get non-canon scenes to intertwine with canon scenes that can help things a lot more in generating ideas for filler material.

I also prefer Naruto's system. Imagine how cool it would've been without cuts to Chi-Chi, Kame House, or Bulma bitching about being on Namek during the Saiyan/Freeza/Cell arcs. We could've even had a believable 5 minute Freeza battle like in the manga.

Filler blocks? Just skip over them, which unfortunately is what a lot of people tend to do, and as such, shows will get cancelled. (R.I.P. Kenshin). So DBZ's system definitely had it's advantages, but in the long run, a Naruto-esque system would've been preferred.


Or even better, do what One Piece does and just not produce as many episodes.

I prefer how the DBZ system was done. Making fights look more all out. Imagine how much benefit Naruto would get if it did not have so many pointless missions. As for One Piece, it can get as bad in its own right.

A reason I prefer the DBZ system is because there are ways to make exploit of it and build on stuff for to use later on.

[Big Momma]

*Tries to resist urge to post...fails*


Okay, okay, I can't go back and look at every post considering how slow the computer I am using is. So could someone please sum up what this thread is about for me and why it hasn't been locked yet?

Oh, and Naruto fillers are ending sooner than you think. Time-Skip airs on Feburary 15th(Yes, of this year!)

[Gokuden553]

Naruto fillers suck end of story.

[Kaboom]

Naruto fillers suck end of story.

I haven't even seen any of them, but I've heard enough to agree. Hopefully, Viz will skip over them and go straight into Naruto: Shippuden one their dub reaches that point in a year or two.

[Sebastian (SB)]

Naruto fillers suck end of story.

I haven't even seen any of them, but I've heard enough to agree. Hopefully, Viz will skip over them and go straight into Naruto: Shippuden one their dub reaches that point in a year or two.

I agree & maybe they should perhaps release the 2 year filler in a convienient box set for the Naruto completists!