Dragon Ball 3-in-1 Guide Thread *FINAL VOLUME*

[eledoremassis02]

I just wonder how jumbled their Uncut and Edited Dragon Ball files are that this editing issue keeps occurring.

Or are they using the edited files for the swear-lite translation, and then swapping in uncut pages whenever an edit happens?

Because that would explain why this keeps happening if they're using such an obtuse method to make the 3-in-1 volumes.

Doing the translation from scratch directly to untranslated pages would have prevented this issue from happening.

I believe they are using the Viz Bigs as a base instead of just using the color pages that they have (since those are better quality)

[Wezenheim]

I also think they are using the Vizbigs (or at least one of the past releases), and this was kind of reinforced by an employee that I found on social media that was talking to someone about this issue. They said "We don't always know what was changed years ago."

It sounds like current staff was perhaps told to use them as a base and remove some of the censorship where it was present, and it would also explain why some stuff doesn't always get noticed.

[eledoremassis02]

I also think they are using the Vizbigs (or at least one of the past releases), and this was kind of reinforced by an employee that I found on social media that was talking to someone about this issue. They said "We don't always know what was changed years ago."

It sounds like current staff was perhaps told to use them as a base and remove some of the censorship where it was present, and it would also explain why some stuff doesn't always get noticed.

Thats pretty much what I figure. I feel bad for them in that regard. For taking 3 months per issue they really should have just started from scratch. I have to go to a book store soon to see if any of the edits I sent them were fix. There is an irony though because atleast with Dragon Ball the current printing is uncut minus pop. Even the dialogue is uncensored (Panties instead of Undies, Bulma sayin joku can touch her butt and Yamacha telling Puar that he doesnt have a Lolicomplex)

[Gaffer Tape]

They said "We don't always know what was changed years ago."

I mean, that's fair. If they don't know, they don't know. But if they don't know, what gives them the gall to claim that something is uncensored? How could they *possibly* make that claim if they don't even know what was censored in the first place? That's like claiming your food is fat free and then admitting you're not sure what fat is! This is so freaking sloppy! Absolutely no thought was put into this! And, again, since there is one thing they are ACTIVELY censoring, it's not even just a matter of ignorance. It's deliberately misleading.

[eledoremassis02]

They said "We don't always know what was changed years ago."

I mean, that's fair. If they don't know, they don't know. But if they don't know, what gives them the gall to claim that something is uncensored? How could they *possibly* make that claim if they don't even know what was censored in the first place? That's like claiming your food is fat free and then admitting you're not sure what fat is! This is so freaking sloppy! Absolutely no thought was put into this! And, again, since there is one thing they are ACTIVELY censoring, it's not even just a matter of ignorance. It's deliberately misleading.

I was just thinking. Those who complained really should be getting fixed replacement copies because I'm not going to keep buying volumes like volume one (which still has bulmas finger censored)

[sayian_nation_]

Sorry for the double post but I just finished reading the new 3in1 and I think they've fully stopped trying. 17 is still censored..

Anyone know what page android 17 is supposed to have a gun on the original VizBig single manga sets? Wanted to check mine out because it seems like my set that I have is uncensored.

[Wezenheim]

They said "We don't always know what was changed years ago."

I mean, that's fair. If they don't know, they don't know. But if they don't know, what gives them the gall to claim that something is uncensored? How could they *possibly* make that claim if they don't even know what was censored in the first place? That's like claiming your food is fat free and then admitting you're not sure what fat is! This is so freaking sloppy! Absolutely no thought was put into this! And, again, since there is one thing they are ACTIVELY censoring, it's not even just a matter of ignorance. It's deliberately misleading.

Yeah, I didn't really know what to make of that when I read it. It was like "Okay, I see that, I can sympathize with that", but as you said, it also began to make these feel even more sloppy and somehow even less justified, all because of that stupid line on the back. They are straight up misleading people just for the hell of it, and they can't even hide behind the mistake excuse because as you said, there are things they are continuing to actively censor. It's ridiculous. It's like they slapped that on the back, called it a day, and thought it would help set these apart from other releases (like the Vizbigs, which are already a cheaper way to own the series than the singles but are of a higher quality than the 3-in -1s) in order to sell more copies.

[eledoremassis02]

Anyone know what page android 17 is supposed to have a gun on the original VizBig single manga sets? Wanted to check mine out because it seems like my set that I have is uncensored.

Every english release has this censored sadly

Also, is there a call line for VIZ? Its been two days since they said "they transferred my e-mail to the correct dept" in regards to this set not being uncensored and they still havent gotten back to me.

[Wezenheim]

Anyone know what page android 17 is supposed to have a gun on the original VizBig single manga sets? Wanted to check mine out because it seems like my set that I have is uncensored.

Every english release has this censored sadly

Also, is there a call line for VIZ? Its been two days since they said "they transferred my e-mail to the correct dept" in regards to this set not being uncensored and they still havent gotten back to me.

It looks like they have a phone number and an address listed on this page: http://www.viz.com/privacy
I don't know if that's the line you'd use for an issue like this, but it's the only one I could find and even if it's not you can always ask if there is a better number. I haven't received a reply to the email I sent a few days ago either, but I'm assuming that maybe they only reply on business days? Either that or they are simply busy, I don't know.

[eledoremassis02]

So I got a reply back...

Thanks for all the feedback! I will pass it on to the team.

Lets see what happens

[Wezenheim]

So I finally managed to have a short email conversation with a Viz representative.

In my second email to him, I gave a decent explanation as to why "Hercule" should be changed to Mr. Satan, name pun explanation and all, but his reply was simply "Thanks for your input. A change is unlikey at this point though."

So Hercule is here to stay for a while, it seems. Also, my issue with Mr. Satan's name was the only one addressed. No definitive answers about censorship or any of the other suggestions I gave, such as an "uncensored digital version" of the manga, outside of a "I'll send the rest of your feedback to the rest of the team."

[eledoremassis02]

Yea I've gotten that same answer twice including

Mr. Satan's name has been Hercule in most of the English releases of Dragon Ball throughout time.

Which correct me if I'm wrong is not true. But seeing as they won't change it expect it in the Full Colors. I'm getting a little annoyed at their customer service. If this continues I might just sell my 3in1's for the singles. Atleast Dragon Ball is 99% uncensored and Z had cursing lol

[Wezenheim]

It seems they have a copy & paste response to complaints about Mr. Satan's name, based on the fact that the email you sent me matched mine word for word, including the "I'll send your other feedback to the rest of the team" at the end. Not exactly surprising, but still weird, although maybe we simply had the same person respond.

[eledoremassis02]

It seems they have a copy & paste response to complaints about Mr. Satan's name, based on the fact that the email you sent me matched mine word for word, including the "I'll send your other feedback to the rest of the team" at the end. Not exactly surprising, but still weird, although maybe we simply had the same person respond.

I just checked an older e-mail and it's the exact same response. I've also gotten the same person everytime. It's like their is either one person at the help desk or a robot. Either way, I dont think I'll get a responce to my other question..

[Gaffer Tape]

Mr. Satan's name has been Hercule in most of the English releases of Dragon Ball throughout time.

That same logic certainly never kept them from using Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Freeza, Son Goku, God, Kaio, Karin, or countless other names contrary to "most of the English releases of Dragon Ball throughout time." I mean, this is nothing new. They finished releasing the Dragon Ball manga ten years ago, and they were already pulling this kind of crap then. But it's just a shame how badly Viz has gone downhill...

[eledoremassis02]

Mr. Satan's name has been Hercule in most of the English releases of Dragon Ball throughout time.

That same logic certainly never kept them from using Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Freeza, Son Goku, God, Kaio, Karin, or countless other names contrary to "most of the English releases of Dragon Ball throughout time." I mean, this is nothing new. They finished releasing the Dragon Ball manga ten years ago, and they were already pulling this kind of crap then. But it's just a shame how badly Viz has gone downhill...

Yea. I brought up Vegirott..no answer there But it seems like this was a copy and paste answer. Questions have not been answered and Viz doesnt seem to eply on their facebook anymore either.

[Wezenheim]

Mr. Satan's name has been Hercule in most of the English releases of Dragon Ball throughout time.

That same logic certainly never kept them from using Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Freeza, Son Goku, God, Kaio, Karin, or countless other names contrary to "most of the English releases of Dragon Ball throughout time." I mean, this is nothing new. They finished releasing the Dragon Ball manga ten years ago, and they were already pulling this kind of crap then. But it's just a shame how badly Viz has gone downhill...

It's funny that you say that, I pointed out that very same argument in one of my emails, using Kuririn as my own example. They'll use Kuririn, Tenshinhan, etc, but they just so happen to want to keep a character called "Mr. Satan" as "Hercule" because "consistency". It's all very frustrating.

[ekrolo2]

I forget, does Viz keep Goku's Saiyan name as Kakarotto or just Kakarot?

[rereboy]

Kakarot. To fit with carrot.

Yea. I brought up Vegirott..no answer there But it seems like this was a copy and paste answer. Questions have not been answered and Viz doesnt seem to eply on their facebook anymore either.

There is nothing wrong with Vegirot. Perfectly legitimate choice that follows the logic behind the name of the fusion.

[Wezenheim]

I forget, does Viz keep Goku's Saiyan name as Kakarotto or just Kakarot?

Viz uses Kakarrot.

I dont have a huge problem with Vegerot, as it actually makes sense. "Vegito" is "correct", but it doesn't make sense in the dub, and Vegetto wouldn't make total sense unless you kept "Kakarotto". Vegerot sounds weird, but I can accept that one.

Although perhaps eledoremassis02 was using Vegerot as an example of Viz not being "consistent" with other English products?