Better Sound Quality on Original Run of DBZ in Japan

[genjosanzo8]

first i'm french so sorry if my grammar and other is atrocious for you.
and if i talk like that it's simply because if everyone had been understood what i was asking for then if kei don't answer to me it is useless for other to answer if they don't know more than me.
i am extremly ignorant and it is logical when i ask to the only person who can answer and don't take time to answer people even if i was not asking a rare stuff for him.
so if it has no real true news this topic can be buried again
thanks

[sangofe]

Maybe Selecta Vision from spain could be the savior?

8.- La serie de TV de Dragon Ball Z en HD / Alta definición.
SelectaVisión lleva hablando desde hace mucho tiempo con Toei Animation sobre la posibilidad de acceder a masters de Alta definición de la serie de animación de Dragon Ball Z en su formato original 4:3.
En estos momentos SelectaVisión está barajando varias posibilidades con Toei Animation, y aunque ya hace más de 1 año que estamos hablando de este tema con ellos no tiramos la toalla para intentar encontrar una solución viable.

[thomas1up]

Maybe Selecta Vision from spain could be the savior?

8.- La serie de TV de Dragon Ball Z en HD / Alta definición.
SelectaVisión lleva hablando desde hace mucho tiempo con Toei Animation sobre la posibilidad de acceder a masters de Alta definición de la serie de animación de Dragon Ball Z en su formato original 4:3.
En estos momentos SelectaVisión está barajando varias posibilidades con Toei Animation, y aunque ya hace más de 1 año que estamos hablando de este tema con ellos no tiramos la toalla para intentar encontrar una solución viable.

Possibly... that's if Toei would allow it in the first place.

[sangofe]

Maybe Selecta Vision from spain could be the savior?

8.- La serie de TV de Dragon Ball Z en HD / Alta definición.
SelectaVisión lleva hablando desde hace mucho tiempo con Toei Animation sobre la posibilidad de acceder a masters de Alta definición de la serie de animación de Dragon Ball Z en su formato original 4:3.
En estos momentos SelectaVisión está barajando varias posibilidades con Toei Animation, y aunque ya hace más de 1 año que estamos hablando de este tema con ellos no tiramos la toalla para intentar encontrar una solución viable.

Possibly... that's if Toei would allow it in the first place.

I wonder what'd happen if it'd be released without Toei getting asked, haha. Anyway, it's better to ask them than not.

[superrayman3]

I wonder what'd happen if it'd be released without Toei getting asked, haha. Anyway, it's better to ask them than not.

Quite a bit can happen actually, best case scenario Toei looks the other way and does nothing at all (considering how strict Toei is with their stuff this would be highly unlikely to happen), Toei could pull the distribution rights for the anime in a snap, they could refuse to do future business endeavors with you (and they may go even farther and suggest other companies not do business with you either) a lot would be at stake for an official company if they were to use something like broadcast audio without Toei's permission, if Toei was offered enough money they could possibly allow it to be used on an official release, however even this would be a long shot, the reason being because the broadcast audio is a massive improvement over Toei's officially released material and for them to allow an international company to use something like that runs a risk of there being reverse importation of the DB/Z/GT series in Japan, I'm hopeful whenever the time comes Toei will say yes, but we won't know until then.

[clutchins]

Perhaps Toei and Select Vision could produce new releases in both their respective territories with broadcast audio.

[genjosanzo8]

if truly one or the two of them can release it, that's why it is important to talk about these audio, to show that it has possibility to do good sell with these audio.
remember what happens to level release, they were so beautiful and the noobs who love fucking DNR, widescreen with crop have kill these release to the seasons sets.
Toei is a company and with a company like these, we have to talk about the money they can make, not the improvement for the custumers (they really don't care)

[gokaiblue]

It will be a privately owned thing. The only way you'll be able to get your hands on it, is to do the hard work and just put out feelers to track down original recordings yourself. Keep searching and just put in the hard yards to find them. It's the only way.

And therein lies my problem: I don't know where to look. My only lead is that I might be able to get my hands on a fansub tape or something, but other than that I haven't the slightest idea of where to look. I wish I could ask Kei about maybe making it available, but I'm content with what he was willing to share (though one user on YouTube has a similar collection and was looking to upload it somewhere, but I dunno).

Regardless, it's fascinating that stuff like this exists. The only problem is whether or not it's still out there in the wild...(I did see a fansub VHS collection show up on the Italian Ebay site though, so that's cool).

[DB1984]

If I had recorded all the episodes of DB/DBZ/DBGT in Japan from 1986 to 1997, using professional videotapes, here's how I would have done it:

1986-1988: D1 Tapes

1988-1991: D2 Tapes

1991-1992: D3 Tapes

1992-1993: DCT Tapes

1993-1994: Digital Betacam Tapes

1994-1995: D5 Tapes

1995-1996: D9 Tapes

1996-1997: Betacam SX Tapes

[Danfun64]

So you would switch formats almost every year?

Why would anybody spend thousands of dollar for new equipment that they would only use for a year, then spend another thousand for the next thing?

[DB1984]

To get with the times and to get the best picture and audio quality possible.

[Danfun64]

But aren't some of the newer formats on that list inferior to some of the older ones?

[Iberian_Saiyan]

In attempt to make a comparison of the fansub tapes' audio and the official here are the two samples.

Official
Fansub Audio Tape

Note: The streaming downgraded the quality so preferably download the video file(s) to hear its audio quality.

I mean, the fansub audio isn't great as it could because it needs to be cleaned + improved by someone who knows about this sort of thing but to me it sounds better than the official muffled audio I've been listening for years. Unfortunately I don't have the skills for audio editing as even this took me several tries and didn't use the best tools available either.

[Ajay]

Here's the noise removed from the fansub with some minor EQ: http://vocaroo.com/i/s0Ke9msvsJjR

Here's the noise removed from the official audio with minor EQ, too: http://vocaroo.com/i/s1f262S68E6Y

The fansub audio isn't good enough to be cleaned, really. There's not enough quality sound in there in the first place to bring out. While the official audio is muffled and noisy, it's at least salvageable, as you can hopefully hear.

The issue with many of the fansub tapes is that they're sourced from regions that would apply high pass filters on broadcast in an attempt to reduce noise. The issue is, that leaves everything lacking a certain sheen. Coupled with the total lack of low end due to aged VHS tapes, you have a dynamically compromised end result.

The optical audio may be somewhat noisy, but its range is mostly there. You can bring out the highs pretty easily with some very rudimentary EQ. It can sound a little distorted at times, but it's a much nicer sound that the overall results from the fansubs. FUNi went a little overboard on the high-end for their Season Set clean-up, while also accidentally removing some wind-noise in the process of cutting noise. It's still a commendable effort for something that I assume was pretty much automated.

I've been asked not to share my audio collection in full, but here's a clip of some genuine broadcast audio from episode 237. It's from the big boxes, so it's about as authentic as you'll ever get. Hopefully it'll give an idea of how things should sound - http://vocaroo.com/i/s0IkCXW5oh89

[Danfun64]

Thanks for the ninjaing Ajay -.-

Anyways, my own analysis of things.

Both videos use DBZ-The-Next-Level rips of the Funi Dragon Boxes as a base.

Video 1's audio probably comes straight from said release, while Video 2's audio comes from...what old fansub group?

I'm curious. If you are using the same video as a base, why is one video in .mp4 and one in .mkv, and why is one longer than the other?
Moving on...

Attemting to remove the hiss using the noise removal tool of audacity causes digital artifacts. I experimented with EQ settings in an attempt to reduce the hiss. Personally, I think the official audio sounds clearer in some ways.

flac :http://www.mediafire.com/download/xaiwn ... ansub.flac
audacity project:http://www.mediafire.com/download/ejjtl ... fansub.zip

[Iberian_Saiyan]

Here's the noise removed from the fansub with some minor EQ: http://vocaroo.com/i/s0Ke9msvsJjR

Here's the noise removed from the official audio with minor EQ, too: http://vocaroo.com/i/s1f262S68E6Y

The fansub audio isn't good enough to be cleaned, really. There's not enough quality sound in there in the first place to bring out. While the official audio is muffled and noisy, it's at least salvageable, as you can hopefully hear.

The issue with many of the fansub tapes is that they're sourced from regions that would apply high pass filters on broadcast in an attempt to reduce noise. The issue is, that leaves everything lacking a certain sheen. Coupled with the total lack of low end due to aged VHS tapes, you have a dynamically compromised end result.

The optical audio may be somewhat noisy, but its range is mostly there. You can bring out the highs pretty easily with some very rudimentary EQ. It can sound a little distorted at times, but it's a much nicer sound that the overall results from the fansubs. FUNi went a little overboard on the high-end for their Season Set clean-up, while also accidentally removing some wind-noise in the process of cutting noise. It's still a commendable effort for something that I assume was pretty much automated.

I've been asked not to share my audio collection in full, but here's a clip of some genuine broadcast audio from episode 237. It's from the big boxes, so it's about as authentic as you'll ever get. Hopefully it'll give an idea of how things should sound - http://vocaroo.com/i/s0IkCXW5oh89

You're right. After your clean up the official muffled track still triumphs.

Both videos use DBZ-The-Next-Level rips of the Funi Dragon Boxes as a base.

I just wanted an episode of the Dragon Box regardless of its source/ripper.

Video 1's audio probably comes straight from said release, while Video 2's audio comes from...what old fansub group?

Anime Labs.

I'm curious. If you are using the same video as a base, why is one video in .mp4 and one in .mkv, and why is one longer than the other?

Just a quick way to merge the audio with the video file.

Attempting to remove the hiss using the noise removal tool of audacity causes digital artifacts. I experimented with EQ settings in an attempt to reduce the hiss. Personally, I think the official audio sounds clearer in some ways.

flac :http://www.mediafire.com/download/xaiwn ... ansub.flac
audacity project:http://www.mediafire.com/download/ejjtl ... fansub.zip

So as you and Ajay pointed out there's no way to salvage the fansub audio tracks. *sigh* There goes my hopes.

Thanks for your analogies, guys. Well worth reading!

[genjosanzo8]

and if you eq dragon box audio with 5.1 vocaless of funi? can this be a better audio?

[genjosanzo8]

and if you eq dragon box audio with 5.1 vocaless of funi? can this be a better audio?

here is a try ...the voice remain the same but the bgm is like this
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1KTgsZIYP8j

[genjosanzo8]

i found episodes of dragon ball with these audio quality ...it sound weird
someone know what it is?
http://vocaroo.com/i/s092ZhKZXf15

[Iberian_Saiyan]

i found episodes of dragon ball with these audio quality ...it sound weird
someone know what it is?
http://vocaroo.com/i/s092ZhKZXf15

A Next Episode Preview or something?