"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Hugo Boss]

I'm interested to see how Cabba defeats Vegeta, and it looks like for this whole arc Champa and Vados won't see that Goku and Vegeta have mastered God Ki.

How you know Cabba will defeat Vegeta and why wouldn't Vegeta use SSGSS? Even Goku may have a turn when they realize Frost's previous disqualification should redo the order of the fights.

[namekiansaiyan]

I'm interested to see how Cabba defeats Vegeta, and it looks like for this whole arc Champa and Vados won't see that Goku and Vegeta have mastered God Ki.

How you know Cabba will defeat Vegeta and why wouldn't Vegeta use SSGSS? Even Goku may have a turn when they realize Frost's previous disqualification should redo the order of the fights.

In theory if Goku was to come back he should have already since when Frost was disqualified his match should have been counted as if had not happened and Piccolo should be back at bench waiting to fight and Goku should be facing Magetta.
The whole format of the tournament is messed up as when Piccolo forfeited his match he actaully in theory forfeited against Magetta and not Frost as Frost Was Disqualified so Vegeta should be Facing Magetta next episode. As the format is a weird there is a possibility that Goku, Piccolo and even Buu could come back.

[alakazam^]

In theory if Goku was to come back he should have already since when Frost was disqualified his match should have been counted as if had not happened and Piccolo should be back at bench waiting to fight and Goku should be facing Magetta.
The whole format of the tournament is messed up as when Piccolo forfeited his match he actaully in theory forfeited against Magetta and not Frost as Frost Was Disqualified so Vegeta should be Facing Magetta next episode. As the format is a weird there is a possibility that Goku, Piccolo and even Buu could come back.

Piccolo did forfeit against Magetta but the reason Vegeta is facing Frost is because he asked to, and both sides agreed to it.

[namekiansaiyan]

In theory if Goku was to come back he should have already since when Frost was disqualified his match should have been counted as if had not happened and Piccolo should be back at bench waiting to fight and Goku should be facing Magetta.
The whole format of the tournament is messed up as when Piccolo forfeited his match he actaully in theory forfeited against Magetta and not Frost as Frost Was Disqualified so Vegeta should be Facing Magetta next episode. As the format is a weird there is a possibility that Goku, Piccolo and even Buu could come back.

Piccolo did forfeit against Magetta but the reason Vegeta is facing Frost is because he asked to, and both sides agreed to it.

I just see that as a pointless match and that is why I do not think Goku is coming back because he would have already. The only way Goku and Piccolo will be back is if someone like hit demands it. That could also be why Hit is after Frost next episode as he wants a fair tournament with Goku and Piccolo.

[LightBing]

Why would Hit demands mean anything to anyone?
I think Goku is done for the tournament. This seems to be following the pattern ever since the Saiyan Arc, Goku does nothing or little at the start of the arc and comes at the end to save the day.
I hope this doesn't come into fruition, my greatest hope is an adventure arc in search for the last Super Dragon Ball; Goku would certainly be awesome in such a scenario.

[MajinVegetaPD]

I'm interested to see how Cabba defeats Vegeta, and it looks like for this whole arc Champa and Vados won't see that Goku and Vegeta have mastered God Ki.

How you know Cabba will defeat Vegeta and why wouldn't Vegeta use SSGSS? Even Goku may have a turn when they realize Frost's previous disqualification should redo the order of the fights.

That's just the latest assumption around here. Everyone is 100% positive Cabba is going to win, although it's pretty obvious from his reaction to his former EMPLOYER that he is weaker than Frost.

[namekiansaiyan]

Why would Hit demands mean anything to anyone?
I think Goku is done for the tournament. This seems to be following the pattern ever since the Saiyan Arc, Goku does nothing or little at the start of the arc and comes at the end to save the day.
I hope this doesn't come into fruition, my greatest hope is an adventure arc in search for the last Super Dragon Ball; Goku would certainly be awesome in such a scenario.

Vegeta demanded that Frost stayed in so why cant Hit do the same and yes there needs to be an adventure arc that involves all the cast including universe 6 characters. I don't see Super ending anytime soon, the tournament is without doubt only the very beginning.

[namekiansaiyan]

I'm interested to see how Cabba defeats Vegeta, and it looks like for this whole arc Champa and Vados won't see that Goku and Vegeta have mastered God Ki.

How you know Cabba will defeat Vegeta and why wouldn't Vegeta use SSGSS? Even Goku may have a turn when they realize Frost's previous disqualification should redo the order of the fights.

That's just the latest assumption around here. Everyone is 100% positive Cabba is going to win, although it's pretty obvious from his reaction to his former EMPLOYER that he is weaker than Frost.

People are assuming it because Vegeta can't possibly win 3 fights in a row and then a 4th fight against Hit, 3 is bad enough already but 4 fights is something a Vegeta fan would make up in their fanfiction.

[Hugo Boss]

I'm interested to see how Cabba defeats Vegeta, and it looks like for this whole arc Champa and Vados won't see that Goku and Vegeta have mastered God Ki.

How you know Cabba will defeat Vegeta and why wouldn't Vegeta use SSGSS? Even Goku may have a turn when they realize Frost's previous disqualification should redo the order of the fights.

That's just the latest assumption around here. Everyone is 100% positive Cabba is going to win, although it's pretty obvious from his reaction to his former EMPLOYER that he is weaker than Frost.

From the couple of spoilers we have and assuming the descriptions are referring to the previous episode, it seems Vegeta will easily defeat Frost and be forced to use Super Saiyan against Maggeta in Ep. 35. Then, he will fight evenly with Cabba in Ep. 36, who is provisionaly described as a "unexpectedly formidable enemy". We don't know what will happen in Ep. 37 yet, but apparently Hit will fight either against Vegeta or Monaka in Ep. 38.

[LightBing]

Why would Hit demands mean anything to anyone?
I think Goku is done for the tournament. This seems to be following the pattern ever since the Saiyan Arc, Goku does nothing or little at the start of the arc and comes at the end to save the day.
I hope this doesn't come into fruition, my greatest hope is an adventure arc in search for the last Super Dragon Ball; Goku would certainly be awesome in such a scenario.

Vegeta demanded that Frost stayed in so why cant Hit do the same and yes there needs to be an adventure arc that involves all the cast including universe 6 characters. I don't see Super ending anytime soon, the tournament is without doubt only the very beginning.

Because Hit has no authority or relationships with anyone that we know of. While Vegeta was allowed by Piccolo and Beerus didn't oppose. Champa didn't get in his way because it posed an advantage to his team. If Hit demanded anything the Gods would quickly turn him down if it didn't suit them. Or if he asked for a team member to step down, assuming they're unknowns, there would be no reason for him to listen to Hit.

[LuckyCat]

Vegeta will easily defeat Frost and be forced to use Super Saiyan against Maggeta in Ep. 35. Then, he will fight evenly with Cabba in Ep. 36, who is provisionaly described as a "unexpectedly formidable enemy"

That description came from phony episode titles. Nothing in the actual summaries says that Cabbe is formidable.

[namekiansaiyan]

From the couple of spoilers we have and assuming the descriptions are referring to the previous episode, it seems Vegeta will easily defeat Frost and be forced to use Super Saiyan against Maggeta in Ep. 35. Then, he will fight evenly with Cabba in Ep. 36, who is provisionaly described as a "unexpectedly formidable enemy". We don't know what will happen in Ep. 37 yet, but apparently Hit will fight either against Vegeta or Monaka in Ep. 38.

35 is Frost, Magetta 36 and Cabe 37.

Why would Hit demands mean anything to anyone?
I think Goku is done for the tournament. This seems to be following the pattern ever since the Saiyan Arc, Goku does nothing or little at the start of the arc and comes at the end to save the day.
I hope this doesn't come into fruition, my greatest hope is an adventure arc in search for the last Super Dragon Ball; Goku would certainly be awesome in such a scenario.

Vegeta demanded that Frost stayed in so why cant Hit do the same and yes there needs to be an adventure arc that involves all the cast including universe 6 characters. I don't see Super ending anytime soon, the tournament is without doubt only the very beginning.

Because Hit has no authority or relationships with anyone that we know of. While Vegeta was allowed by Piccolo and Beerus didn't oppose. Champa didn't get in his way because it posed an advantage to his team. If Hit demanded anything the Gods would quickly turn him down if it didn't suit them. Or if he asked for a team member to step down, assuming they're unknowns, there would be no reason for him to listen to Hit.

Hit could say he wants to beat people fairly and could say to Champa let them come back or I will forfeit othwise. Hit seems to be there for the challenge.

[Hugo Boss]

Vegeta will easily defeat Frost and be forced to use Super Saiyan against Maggeta in Ep. 35. Then, he will fight evenly with Cabba in Ep. 36, who is provisionaly described as a "unexpectedly formidable enemy"

That description came from phony episode titles. Nothing in the actual summaries says that Cabbe is formidable.

It says Cabba can match Vegeta without using Super Saiyan, which seems formidable to me. But you can argue the title is referring to Magetta.

35 is Frost, Magetta 36 and Cabe 37.

In 35, it can't be only Frost, Vegeta is using Super Saiyan, so he will fight Magetta too. In 36, he may be still fighting Magetta, but he will fight Cabba. In 37, someone will fight Cabba, either Vegeta or Monaka.

[JulieYBM]

Seriously, FUCK TOEI ANIMATION. They wasted tons of screen time with the stupid Pilaf gang in the BoG arc (even dedicating an entire episode to them), wasted almost an entire episode with a pointless Janken gag with Oolong, dragged the SSJG ritual for (again) an entire episode, made a pointless recap episode showing flashbacks of events that had literally happened in the previous episode, Bulma and Jaco visit to Zuno's planet was stretched throughout 20 minutes (whereas in the manga it was like 5 pages), and when we FINALLY reach the tournament fights - which is supposed to be the "main dish" of this arc (you know, the arc that propelled this new series to be created in the first place) and has been the most promoted and hyped up event since like October - Toei rushes everything, and can't be bothered to make a fight last more than 5 minutes because they clearly want to get over with it as fast as possible so they can go back to make entire episodes dedicated to food gags, Janken or other silly non-sense.

Don't get me wrong. I love me some comedy and slice-of-life in my DB, but in Super it's overkill. Super basically consists of 75% slice-of-life and gags and only about 25% action and fighting. Not even original DB was like this. NOT EVEN FUCKING GT WAS LIKE THIS.

The only fight Super did right so far is SSJG Goku vs Beerus (it's still the highlight of the entire show for me). It had the right length, decent animation and great choreography. I'm not hard to please, Toei only needed to replicate the formula of that fight for the rest of the major fights and I would be more than happy with it.

I went to check the length of the matches of 21st/22nd/23rd Tenkaichi Budokai and most of them have much longer length than the fights in Super's tournament. Most of the semi-final and final matches lasted between half an hour and 1 hour, with the longest match being Goku vs Piccolo Jr. lasting 1 hour and half. Goku vs Botamo, Goku vs Frost and Piccolo vs Frost all lasted less than 5 minutes, even a gag fight like Kuririn vs Bacterian was longer than that. Pathetic.

Slow-paced fights are much more effective in building suspense. This is one of the reasons I didn't like Kai. Fast pacing may work in manga format but not with the anime.

It feels like Toei became traumatized by the Episode 5 incident and now every time they have to animate a fight scene they panic and try to abridge it as much as possible.

Even if there's more stuff to come after this tournament, I can't forgive Toei for having their priorities all messed up: there's no excuses for making these tournament fights having shorter length than non-sense like Oolong Janken or a food gag. Even Uranai Baba tourney fights were longer and this was back when DB was still mainly an adventure manga and not a full battle shounen yet.

/rant

Fights require more drawings. More drawings require more money. Most of the money for these shows don't come from animation studios. More drawings mean more time for the key animators to draw good key animation drawings to make proper use of the higher number of in-between drawings and more in-between animators needed to draw them.

This has nothing to do with being afraid, it has everything to do with having no time, money or animators.

[LuckyCat]

But you can argue the title is referring to Magetta.

No, the title you are referring to was fake. The leaked summaries from NewType give the title "未定", meaning the title hasn't been decided/released.

[LightBing]

Hit could say he wants to beat people fairly and could say to Champa let them come back or I will forfeit othwise. Hit seems to be there for the challenge.

Champa would just kill him on the spot, if Hit had the stupidity to blackmail him. Why do you think that? He hasn't uttered a word and only looked at SSJ Goku. Rest of the time he has his arms and legs crossed. He's a humanoid closed book and you know the saying "never judge a book by it's cover".

[namekiansaiyan]

Hit could say he wants to beat people fairly and could say to Champa let them come back or I will forfeit othwise. Hit seems to be there for the challenge.

Champa would just kill him on the spot, if Hit had the stupidity to blackmail him. Why do you think that? He hasn't uttered a word and only looked at SSJ Goku. Rest of the time he has his arms and legs crossed. He's a humanoid closed book and you know the saying "never judge a book by it's cover".

I don't think Champa could kill Hit easily, he looks like the Piccolo/Vegeta type who look for a challenge.

[Hugo Boss]

But you can argue the title is referring to Magetta.

No, the title you are referring to was fake. The leaked summaries from NewType give the title "未定", meaning the title hasn't been decided/released.

Are you not confusing Ep. 36's title with Ep. 37's, which says is "undecided"? Though, Ep. 36's title is said to be provisional.

Spoiler:

35: 怒りを力に変えろ！ベジータの全開バトル！
Anger Turns into Power! Vegeta's All-Out Battle!

36: まさかの 難敵！？ ベジータ怒りの大爆発！（仮
An unexpectedly formidable enemy?! Vegeta's Huge Explosion of Anger! (Provisional)

37: Undecided

38: 第６宇宙最後の戦士 最強の男ヒット見参！ (仮)
The last of Universe 6's Warriors! Meet the Strongest Man, Hit! (Provisional)

[Bullza]

Cool! Now we know exactly who wins what fights without even having to bother going through the effort of watching them! Thanks Toei!

[LuckyCat]

Are you not confusing Ep. 36's title with Ep. 37's, which says is "undecided"? Though, Ep. 36's title is said to be provisional.

No, it's the left and right summaries that make it confusing. Also it doesn't seem like Cabbe's going to even show off his strength until 37 judging by the summary, so it would be odd that 36's title would be referring to it. Don't underestimate Magetta!