After this interview, would you like other studio for Super?

Discussion specifically regarding the "Dragon Ball Super" TV series premiering July 2015 in Japan, including individual threads for each episode.
User avatar
coola
I Live Here
Posts: 3495
Joined: Tue May 15, 2007 7:33 am
Location: Poland

After this interview, would you like other studio for Super?

Post by coola » Thu Mar 10, 2016 9:06 am

After i've read this interview, I'm honestly mortified with how bad Toei treat DB series, they produce way too many series, soon we will have Sailor Moon Crystal Season 3 as well, and their director even have nerve to tell people, that we dare to complain, at this point, i really would prefer some other studio to pick up Super, like Madhouse http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature ... all/.99269
Last edited by coola on Thu Mar 10, 2016 2:26 pm, edited 1 time in total.
My Twitter: @kamil198811
Bulma fan
Thanks to Discotek:
Magic Knight Rayearth get DVD release in 2015 and Blu-Ray release on 2016
Saint Seiya: The Lost Canvas get DVD release in 2015

Kuririn Fan
Banned Alternate Account
Posts: 2313
Joined: Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:32 pm

Re: After this interview, would you like other studio for Su

Post by Kuririn Fan » Thu Mar 10, 2016 9:45 am

Do you honestly believe that that will happen?

User avatar
coola
I Live Here
Posts: 3495
Joined: Tue May 15, 2007 7:33 am
Location: Poland

Re: After this interview, would you like other studio for Su

Post by coola » Thu Mar 10, 2016 9:51 am

Doesn't Mr. Toriyama have anything to say about franchise he created? Or Shueisha? Saint Seiya anime The Lost Canvas was made by TMS Entertainment.
My Twitter: @kamil198811
Bulma fan
Thanks to Discotek:
Magic Knight Rayearth get DVD release in 2015 and Blu-Ray release on 2016
Saint Seiya: The Lost Canvas get DVD release in 2015

User avatar
VegettoEX
Kanzenshuu Co-Owner & Administrator
Posts: 17789
Joined: Sat Jan 10, 2004 3:10 pm
Location: New Jersey
Contact:

Re: After this interview, would you like other studio for Su

Post by VegettoEX » Thu Mar 10, 2016 9:55 am

They're all in it together far too deeply and have been pretty much consistently since the beginning. Even when there have been breaks (like 1997-2001), everyone has still been involved in some capacity. There's never been any real "downtime" for there to be a split and reevaluation about how to approach production. Nothing's changing any time soon.
:: [| Mike "VegettoEX" LaBrie |] ::
:: [| Kanzenshuu - Co-Founder/Administrator, Podcast Host, News Manager (note: our "job" titles are arbitrary and meaningless) |] ::
:: [| Website: January 1998 |] :: [| Podcast: November 2005 |] :: [| Fusion: April 2012 |] :: [| Wiki: 20XX |] ::

Vijay
Advanced Regular
Posts: 1423
Joined: Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:48 am

Re: After this interview, would you like other studio for Su

Post by Vijay » Thu Mar 10, 2016 10:25 am

Its just wish at this point, but always felt MadHouse, Sunrise or BONES to be excellent Companies/Studios in terms of gorgeous animation, epic musical score & faithful adaptation of source material

If only DB, Z, GT or hell Super received treatment frm these "A-list" studios, it'll mark the dawn of new DragonBall phenomenon. It'll expand DragonBall's gigantic franchise into this eternal monument

User avatar
Iberian_Saiyan
Beyond-the-Beyond Newbie
Posts: 301
Joined: Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:02 pm

Re: After this interview, would you like other studio for Su

Post by Iberian_Saiyan » Thu Mar 10, 2016 11:15 am

Vijay wrote:Its just wish at this point, but always felt MadHouse, Sunrise or BONES to be excellent Companies/Studios in terms of gorgeous animation, epic musical score & faithful adaptation of source material

If only DB, Z, GT or hell Super received treatment frm these "A-list" studios, it'll mark the dawn of new DragonBall phenomenon. It'll expand DragonBall's gigantic franchise into this eternal monument
Yes! I was too going to say Madhouse because they do an incredible job with the series they produce. One Punch Man Season 1's amazing and I couldn't believe it was over.. can't wait for Season 2 (sometime this year)! :)

Dragon Ball Super: Son Vs. Freeza
Saitama's reaction:

User avatar
Lord Beerus
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 21430
Joined: Sat Oct 25, 2014 5:20 pm
Location: A temple on a giant tree
Contact:

Re: After this interview, would you like other studio for Su

Post by Lord Beerus » Thu Mar 10, 2016 11:53 am

As much as I would like a another studio to take on Dragon Ball, it just wouldn't happen. But people also need to remember that shows like One Punch Man get such awesome animation as they did was down to the animators being a fans of Yusuke Murata artwork for the manga. One Punch Man's budget is actually very average, but the reason it looks as good as it does is because the staff were very dedicated to the project and put their best effort into making it look great. This article explains the whole situation in more detail.

Similarly, the reason the PreCure franchise has had great animation for a large majority of the shows and movies is because many of the talented animators who work on the show, such as Itaoka Nishiki, Tanaka Hironori and Ota Kazuhiro are all big fans of the PreCure franchise. So naturally when they get put in position were they can express their passion and love for a particular medium, the product itself gets the best quality possibly.

In Japan, animation looking great is never primarily down to the budget. It's down to how much the animators and staff love what they do.
Last edited by Lord Beerus on Thu Mar 10, 2016 8:49 pm, edited 4 times in total.

User avatar
JulieYBM
Patreon Supporter
Posts: 18545
Joined: Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:25 pm
Location: 🏳️‍⚧️🍉

Re: After this interview, would you like other studio for Su

Post by JulieYBM » Thu Mar 10, 2016 11:57 am

coola wrote:After i've read this interview, I'm honestly mortified with how bad Toei tret DB series, they produce way too many series, soon we will have Sailor Moon Crystal Season 3 as well, and their director even have nerve to tell people, that we dare to complain, at this point, i really would prefer some other studio to pick up Super, like Madhouse http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature ... all/.99269
Hayashida is not a director, he is a producer. He also has a point, considering practically nobody who is complaining even understands anything about the industry. You couldn't even read the interview properly to tell that he was a producer and not a director. Hayashida was expressing disbelief that individuals were implying a few shots represented the entire series, which is an entirely sound criticism to make back at those making such easily picked apart attacks.

Madhouse isn't necessary. They don't produce good work for long-running series and all of the good freelancers that they have contacts with already have contacts with others outside of their studio.
coola wrote:Doesn't Mr. Toriyama have anything to say about franchise he created? Or Shueisha? Saint Seiya anime The Lost Canvas was made by TMS Entertainment.
Toriyama doesn't care. He was surprised to learn animation required multiple drawings done by hand. He doesn't care. At all. He isn't a sakuga otaku and if we're going to expect him to be one then we should have expected him to draw his own lousy comic first instead of scribbling some notes in a book and calling it a day.

TMS and Telecom produce meddling work these days, so they wouldn't be worth bothering with.
Last edited by JulieYBM on Thu Mar 10, 2016 11:53 pm, edited 1 time in total.
💙💜💖 She/Her 💙💜💖

User avatar
Hellspawn28
Patreon Supporter
Posts: 15696
Joined: Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:50 pm
Location: Maryland, USA

Re: After this interview, would you like other studio for Su

Post by Hellspawn28 » Thu Mar 10, 2016 12:24 pm

Toei can do a fine job on Dragon Ball. They just choose to be lazy and poor with the show. Super does have good animation moments, but some people don't want to admit it. Dragon Ball is a big brand name, but Toei is mainly wants kids to watch the show and that's it. If kids like it and buy the merchandise, that's all it matters to them. It's the same in the past too.
She/Her
PS5 username: Guyver_Spawn_27
LB Profile: https://letterboxd.com/Hellspawn28/

User avatar
B
Born 'n Bred Here
Posts: 5563
Joined: Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:15 am
Contact:

Re: After this interview, would you like other studio for Su

Post by B » Thu Mar 10, 2016 12:52 pm

It feels like people are under the impression anime studios are these robots that just spit out shows. The majority of the industry is freelance. The building they're performing the animation hardly makes a difference.
Keen Observation of Dragon Ball Z Movie 4's Climax wrote:Slug shits to see the genki

Kuririn Fan
Banned Alternate Account
Posts: 2313
Joined: Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:32 pm

Re: After this interview, would you like other studio for Su

Post by Kuririn Fan » Thu Mar 10, 2016 12:53 pm

Super is loveless product, its the sad truth.

User avatar
sintzu
Banned
Posts: 13583
Joined: Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:41 pm

Re: After this interview, would you like other studio for Su

Post by sintzu » Thu Mar 10, 2016 1:09 pm

Yes but it'll never happen.
July 9th 2018 will be remembered as the day Broly became canon.

User avatar
JulieYBM
Patreon Supporter
Posts: 18545
Joined: Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:25 pm
Location: 🏳️‍⚧️🍉

Re: After this interview, would you like other studio for Su

Post by JulieYBM » Thu Mar 10, 2016 1:38 pm

Kuririn Fan wrote:Super is loveless product, its the sad truth.
Hardly. The episode directors, storyboard artists, and everyone else are busting their balls despite their conditions.
💙💜💖 She/Her 💙💜💖

User avatar
Hellspawn28
Patreon Supporter
Posts: 15696
Joined: Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:50 pm
Location: Maryland, USA

Re: After this interview, would you like other studio for Su

Post by Hellspawn28 » Thu Mar 10, 2016 1:39 pm

I love Mad House, but they are better at more darker anime like Ninja Scroll, Parasyte and Wicked City. Even One Punch Man was a bit more violent than DBZ since you saw guts flying out of enemies while DBZ you would only see blood and no intestines.
Last edited by Hellspawn28 on Thu Mar 10, 2016 1:42 pm, edited 1 time in total.
She/Her
PS5 username: Guyver_Spawn_27
LB Profile: https://letterboxd.com/Hellspawn28/

Kuririn Fan
Banned Alternate Account
Posts: 2313
Joined: Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:32 pm

Re: After this interview, would you like other studio for Su

Post by Kuririn Fan » Thu Mar 10, 2016 1:40 pm

JulieYBM wrote:
Kuririn Fan wrote:Super is loveless product, its the sad truth.
Hardly. The episode directors, storyboard artists, and everyone else are busting their balls despite their conditions.
I don't, man, it just seems that way. What you say about Beerus' post then?

Cipher
Born 'n Bred Here
Posts: 6409
Joined: Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:54 pm
Location: Nagano
Contact:

Re: After this interview, would you like other studio for Su

Post by Cipher » Thu Mar 10, 2016 1:45 pm

Super doesn't need another studio so much as it needs a season break, which seems like it would make an enormous difference, but for whatever reason Japan's animation industry isn't set up for that.

User avatar
Chuquita
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 15262
Joined: Sat Nov 20, 2004 2:16 am
Location: Somewhere

Re: After this interview, would you like other studio for Su

Post by Chuquita » Thu Mar 10, 2016 3:21 pm

I wish they'd gotten that extra six months of lead time I read they didn't get. I don't think we'd be that bad off if they hadn't started last minute on it. It's like starting an essay the night before it's due, Super is.
On hiatus.

User avatar
FortuneSSJ
Born 'n Bred Here
Posts: 5937
Joined: Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:07 pm

Re: After this interview, would you like other studio for Su

Post by FortuneSSJ » Thu Mar 10, 2016 4:26 pm

How many threads we already have like this?!
And no. I don't want anyone but Toei for this series. They just need to put their shit together.
A world without Dragon Ball is just boring.

Favourite old DB Animators: Masaki Sato and Tadayoshi Yamamuro
Favourite new DB Animators: Yuya Takahashi and Chikashi Kubota

User avatar
coola
I Live Here
Posts: 3495
Joined: Tue May 15, 2007 7:33 am
Location: Poland

Re: After this interview, would you like other studio for Su

Post by coola » Thu Mar 10, 2016 8:46 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:As much as I would like a another studio to take on Dragon Ball, it just wouldn't happen. But people also need to remember that shows like One Punch Man get such awesome animation as they did was down to the animators being a fans of Yusuke Murata for the manga. One Punch Man's budget is actually very average, but it reason it looks as good as it does is because the staff were very dedicated to the project and put their best effort into making it look great. This article explains the whole situation in more detail.

Similarly, the reason the PreCure franchise has had great animation for a large majority of the shows and movies is because many of the talented animators who work on the show, such as Itaoka Nishiki, Tanaka Hironori and Ota Kazuhiro are all fans big of the PreCure franchise. So naturally when they get put in position were they can express their passion and love for a particular medium, the product itself gets the best quality possibly.

In Japan, animation looking great is never primarily down to the budget. It's down to how much the animators and staff love what they do.
Heard about staff love for Precure, didnt know about OPM, it is strange they cant find staff that would love working for Super, current Precure series look little worse than Princess, but still look miles better than some episodes of Super

And sorry about that director mistake.
My Twitter: @kamil198811
Bulma fan
Thanks to Discotek:
Magic Knight Rayearth get DVD release in 2015 and Blu-Ray release on 2016
Saint Seiya: The Lost Canvas get DVD release in 2015

User avatar
saiyanvegetable
Temporarily Banned
Posts: 216
Joined: Tue Jan 19, 2016 1:18 pm

Re: After this interview, would you like other studio for Su

Post by saiyanvegetable » Thu Mar 10, 2016 11:25 pm

JulieYBM wrote:
coola wrote:After i've read this interview, I'm honestly mortified with how bad Toei tret DB series, they produce way too many series, soon we will have Sailor Moon Crystal Season 3 as well, and their director even have nerve to tell people, that we dare to complain, at this point, i really would prefer some other studio to pick up Super, like Madhouse http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature ... all/.99269
Hayashida is not a director, he is a producer. He also has a point, considering practically nobody who is complaining even understands anything about the industry. You couldn't even read the interview properly to tell that he was a producer and not a director. Hayashida was expressing disbelief that individuals were implying a few shots represented the entire series, which is an entirely sound criticism to make back at those making such easily picked apart attacks. Unfortunately, those shots ARE indicative of the entire series.


If Toriyama doesn't care. He was surprised to learn animation required multiple drawings done by hand. He doesn't care. At all. He isn't a sakuga otaku and if we're going to expect him to be one then we should have expected him to draw his own lousy comic first instead of scribbling some notes in a book and calling it a day.

TMS and Telecom produce meddling work these days, so they wouldn't be worth bothering with.
You know, that's a lot of holier than thou bullshit in one paragraph. First of all, the screenshots are absolutely indicative of a piss poor art direction and mediocre animation for whicj Super has become infamous for. "Easily picked apart attacks"..hardly. Play virtually any fight from Z and Super side by side.

Secondly, we don't have to know the ins and outs of the animation industry to criticize the way supers been handled and its woefully mediocre standard.

I understand its a preproduction thing, but then sau so instead of pretending fans are ungrateful and should gleefully eat up this garbage just because its dragonball.

Post Reply