Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[namekiansaiyan]

Jeez.

Its simple. Goku doesnt channel his god strength so he fights with his former power prior to the god power up.

or he simply always has this power and he used it to the max vs third form frost.

Which would put frost on the 1-10 scale and so would piccolo.

But we do know this, in the cell games piccolo was able to hold his own vs a cell jr(or atleast take the beating and still stand) then he trains with gohan for quite an amount of time. So he definitely got much stronger.

ofc then we have piccolo stating that he cannot keep up with goku and vegeta, implying he is not at god tier.

That's another point I forgot about. While training with Whis, Goku and Vegeta purposely didn't use SSJ, so they'd purposely be stronger when they transformed, while also making training harder. If Piccolo was at least in the league of Base Goku and Vegeta, he'd be the perfect sparing partner for them. But instead he says he couldn't keep up. So it's unlikely in a couple days he suddenly could, at least not without some form of proper explanation. So if Piccolo got super powerful in 5 or 6 days to be on par with Base Goku or above, an explanation is needed.

Piccolo does not know how they train he just thinks their maximum is SSGSS so he concludes I cant keep up with that if they train with that.

[Noah]

I was thinking about something: How the F*** was Piccolo killed by Freeza in RoF Arc? I mean didn't he said to Trunks in Boo Arc that he is only killed if his head is damaged? Also he didn't died in Namek Arc

[namekiansaiyan]

This 2 base theory only really came around because of the Piccolo vs Frost fight and the only reason I can think of is because people refuse to believe Piccolo has got that strong so they need to make up stuff in their heads to justify themselves instead of changing their opinion of Piccolo.

[buutenks]

Piccolo does not know how they train he just thinks their maximum is SSGSS so he concludes I cant keep up with that if they train with that.

Also true.

tho considering he was at the level of base gohan, i somehow doubt they both jumped to god tiers.

One interesting thing.Goku and vegeta while in base survived an unrestrained ki blast from beerus.

[dbzfan7]

Jeez.

Its simple. Goku doesnt channel his god strength so he fights with his former power prior to the god power up.

or he simply always has this power and he used it to the max vs third form frost.

Which would put frost on the 1-10 scale and so would piccolo.

But we do know this, in the cell games piccolo was able to hold his own vs a cell jr(or atleast take the beating and still stand) then he trains with gohan for quite an amount of time. So he definitely got much stronger.

ofc then we have piccolo stating that he cannot keep up with goku and vegeta, implying he is not at god tier.

That's another point I forgot about. While training with Whis, Goku and Vegeta purposely didn't use SSJ, so they'd purposely be stronger when they transformed, while also making training harder. If Piccolo was at least in the league of Base Goku and Vegeta, he'd be the perfect sparing partner for them. But instead he says he couldn't keep up. So it's unlikely in a couple days he suddenly could, at least not without some form of proper explanation. So if Piccolo got super powerful in 5 or 6 days to be on par with Base Goku or above, an explanation is needed.

Piccolo does not know how they train he just thinks their maximum is SSGSS so he concludes I cant keep up with that if they train with that.

Again see what I mean. You refuse to accept anything that may hurt Piccolo. It's another fair point brought up. Instead you make up an excuse for Piccolo instead of acknowledging a fair point. Besides he trained with a damn Super Saiyan who was way above him during the cyborg arc where he was at first weaker than Base Goku, and that worked wonders for him. This is no different. It's a fair point that he'd be a fantastic sparing partner for Goku and Vegeta, if he were on par with their base forms at least.

This 2 base theory only really came around because of the Piccolo vs Frost fight and the only reason I can think of is because people refuse to believe Piccolo has got that strong so they need to make up stuff in their heads to justify themselves instead of changing their opinion of Piccolo.

This is why you are not a pleasure to talk to. You're such a clear Piccolo fanboy you go out of your way to discourage anything against him.

[namekiansaiyan]

I was thinking about something: How the F*** was Piccolo killed by Freeza in RoF Arc? I mean didn't he said to Trunks in Boo Arc that he is only killed if his head is damaged? Also he didn't died in Namek Arc

The only thing I can think of is that Piccolo used all his energy to stop the attack going further than him just like against Nappa so he had no life force left to recover.

Piccolo does not know how they train he just thinks their maximum is SSGSS so he concludes I cant keep up with that if they train with that.

Also true.

tho considering he was at the level of base gohan, i somehow doubt they both jumped to god tiers.

One interesting thing.Goku and vegeta while in base survived an unrestrained ki blast from beerus.

Just remember this is Dragonball, so that means people get big power boosts in a short amount of time with no real explanation. This is just one more to add to that long list.
We cant apply that unrestrained Ki blast to Picolo as it did not happen to him.

[namekiansaiyan]

Again see what I mean. You refuse to accept anything that may hurt Piccolo. It's another fair point brought up. Instead you make up an excuse for Piccolo instead of acknowledging a fair point. Besides he trained with a damn Super Saiyan who was way above him during the cyborg arc where he was at first weaker than Base Goku, and that worked wonders for him. This is no different. It's a fair point that he'd be a fantastic sparing partner for Goku and Vegeta, if he were on par with their base forms at least.

This 2 base theory only really came around because of the Piccolo vs Frost fight and the only reason I can think of is because people refuse to believe Piccolo has got that strong so they need to make up stuff in their heads to justify themselves instead of changing their opinion of Piccolo.

This is why you are not a pleasure to talk to. You're such a clear Piccolo fanboy you go out of your way to discourage anything against him.

You might think I am a Piccolo fanboy but I use evidence that is present in the show whereas many people on this site don't and make things up. How can you deny that this 2 base theory only really came around after the Piccolo vs Frost fight.

[dbzfan7]

Again see what I mean. You refuse to accept anything that may hurt Piccolo. It's another fair point brought up. Instead you make up an excuse for Piccolo instead of acknowledging a fair point. Besides he trained with a damn Super Saiyan who was way above him during the cyborg arc where he was at first weaker than Base Goku, and that worked wonders for him. This is no different. It's a fair point that he'd be a fantastic sparing partner for Goku and Vegeta, if he were on par with their base forms at least.

This 2 base theory only really came around because of the Piccolo vs Frost fight and the only reason I can think of is because people refuse to believe Piccolo has got that strong so they need to make up stuff in their heads to justify themselves instead of changing their opinion of Piccolo.

This is why you are not a pleasure to talk to. You're such a clear Piccolo fanboy you go out of your way to discourage anything against him.

You might think I am a Piccolo fanboy but I use evidence that is present in the show whereas many people on this site don't and make things up. How can you deny that this 2 base theory only really came around after the Piccolo vs Frost fight.

Think? I know. People have said their stance. They have supported it, and you choose to discredit it. I have no tolerance, nor any wish to discuss anything with someone who has no interest in giving a crap about what others say, unless it conforms to their own belief. If you can't acknowledge what anyone else has to say when they do support their claims, why should anyone give a crap about what you have to say?

[buutenks]

This 2 base theory only really came around because of the Piccolo vs Frost fight and the only reason I can think of is because people refuse to believe Piccolo has got that strong so they need to make up stuff in their heads to justify themselves instead of changing their opinion of Piccolo.

No the 2 base theory came around because base god goku would be a 6.5 and was equal to third form frost, then frost went final form so I'm guessing he jumped a number to 7.5 and goku ssj to 8.5, ofc that is such a small gab tho and beerus even say why didnt you use your full power. Plus how the f is frost so strong and no one mentions anything?

No one mentions anything about how powerful anyone is actually.

So makes more sense to just think goku is using his older PL, aka ssj1=FP perfect cell or a bit above and so forth.

[namekiansaiyan]

This 2 base theory only really came around because of the Piccolo vs Frost fight and the only reason I can think of is because people refuse to believe Piccolo has got that strong so they need to make up stuff in their heads to justify themselves instead of changing their opinion of Piccolo.

No the 2 base theory came around because base god goku would be a 6.5 and was equal to third form frost, then frost went final form so I'm guessing he jumped a number to 7.5 and goku ssj to 8.5, ofc that is such a small gab tho and beerus even say why didnt you use your full power. Plus how the f is frost so strong and no one mentions anything?

No one mentions anything about how powerful anyone is actually.

So makes more sense to just think goku is using his older PL, aka ssj1=FP perfect cell or a bit above and so forth.

No need to mention Goku's power level as everyone knows his strong and since Frost is universe 6's Frieza everyone assumes his strong.

I also assume no one is saying how powerful everyone is because they are apart of the 5 man teams that were chosen by Gods of destruction to represnt them so they must be really strong. Vados also picked the 5 strongest from universe 7 as instructed by Champa even though this does not mean Frost is strong it more than likely means he is.

There is also no doubt this 2 base theory accelerated after the Piccolo vs Frost fight as it's all over the internet now.

[ZombieVito]

I'm a Piccolo fanboy too namekiansaiyan but come on, we can't say for sure where he stands right now.

[namekiansaiyan]

I'm a Piccolo fanboy too namekiansaiyan but come on, we can't say for sure where he stands right now.

But i can use evidence to back up my statement whereas people keep using this made up crap about Goku having 2 base forms to back up their staements and say it is more valid then Piccolo being that strong.

[buutenks]

Still the power gaps is very small.

I mean: base goku 6.2/ssj 8/ssgss 9.2

Where does frost fit in?

First form 4/assault form 5.9/final form 6.5/weakened final form 5

Piccolo 4?

but piccolo states he cant keep up with the saiyans, he is pretty darn close tho so wtf?.

Unless base saiyans are much weaker as whis stated and only get to that level via ssj gold haired, but then we have base goku and vegeta surviving beerus' ki blast, hinting that means they r at that level while in base form.

it is all so confusing.

[Neon Z]

I was thinking about something: How the F*** was Piccolo killed by Freeza in RoF Arc? I mean didn't he said to Trunks in Boo Arc that he is only killed if his head is damaged? Also he didn't died in Namek Arc

The same way he was killed by Nappa. A strong enough attack seems to pretty much kill Piccolo, disregarding his regeneration.

[namekiansaiyan]

Still the power gaps is very small.

I mean: base goku 6.2/ssj 8/ssgss 9.2

Where does frost fit in?

First form 4/assault form 5.9/final form 6.5/weakened final form 5

Piccolo 4?

but piccolo states he cant keep up with the saiyans, he is pretty darn close tho so wtf?.

Unless base saiyans are much weaker as whis stated and only get to that level via ssj gold haired, but then we have base goku and vegeta surviving beerus' ki blast, hinting that means they r at that level while in base form.

it is all so confusing.

I have mine about:

Whis=Vados 15
Beerus=Champa 10
Monaka=9
SSGSS Goku and Vegeta=8.5
Golden Frieza = 8.2
Super Saiyan Goku and Vegeta 7.5
Final form frost 7.2
Piccolo 7
Assault Frost=Base Goku and Vegeta 6.8
First form Frieza 6
Botamo 5

But even 0.1 difference is quite big.

Piccolo7

[buutenks]

Still the power gaps is very small.

I mean: base goku 6.2/ssj 8/ssgss 9.2

Where does frost fit in?

First form 4/assault form 5.9/final form 6.5/weakened final form 5

Piccolo 4?

but piccolo states he cant keep up with the saiyans, he is pretty darn close tho so wtf?.

Unless base saiyans are much weaker as whis stated and only get to that level via ssj gold haired, but then we have base goku and vegeta surviving beerus' ki blast, hinting that means they r at that level while in base form.

it is all so confusing.

I have mine about:

Whis=Vados 15
Beerus=Champa 10
Monaka=9
SSGSS Goku and Vegeta=8.5
Golden Frieza = 8.2
Super Saiyan Goku and Vegeta 7.5
Final form frost 7.2
Piccolo 7
Assault Frost=Base Goku and Vegeta 6.8
First form Frieza 6
Botamo 5

But even 0.1 difference is quite big.

Piccolo7

nah no way is botamo a 5.

He's at best ssj3 tier and only lasted due to his special ability.Which is proly why vados brought him in the first place.

Plus for someone to own someone else the difference has to be atleast 20% and 0.3 is way to low,thats less than 10%.

Anyways i refuse to believe the gap between assault form and final form is so small.

Goku even says he is a slow starter and that he only now has gotten fired up after assault form frost fired his finger beam barrage.So goku was most likely still holding back quite a bit.

So my numbers r as follows:

Base goku: 6.1(4 vs assault form frost)
ssj goku:7.5
ssj blue: 9(golden freeza:8.5/ssj blue rof:8)
first form frost: 1
assault form frost:3
Final form frost:6.5
weakened final form frost:5
Piccolo 4.5

ofc no one again mentions how strong piccolo has gotten, which is very odd.

[LowRyder2005]

I'm a Piccolo fanboy too namekiansaiyan but come on, we can't say for sure where he stands right now.

But i can use evidence to back up my statement whereas people keep using this made up crap about Goku having 2 base forms to back up their staements and say it is more valid then Piccolo being that strong.

Oh, please, this is becoming just distasteful.

[The Monkey King]

So let me get this straight some users are arguing Piccolo > base Goku?

Even though is the F arc:

• Piccolo stated he was no match for base Freeza
  Base Freeza almost killed SSJ Gohan (who's > Piccolo) and killed Piccolo
  Then base Goku casually smacks around final form Freeza

With no indication that Piccolo got stronger in anyway way shape or form he's now suddenly stronger than base Goku?

Nope not buying it for a second.

[ROCKYIII]

All these weird stretch theories are because the show is not doing its job. I mean Jesus Christ little tidbits here and there maybe a sentence or two to explain what and why things are happening would make everyone so happy and more forgiving of the mostly unacceptable animation quality.

For example one sentence of krillin saying "he turned into a regular super saiyan?" And then whis saying 1-2 sentences about why and giving more insight into how God ki works. It would show that the writers care and remember things and then that would make the viewers feel good.

[namekiansaiyan]

So let me get this straight some users are arguing Piccolo > base Goku?

Even though is the F arc:

• Piccolo stated he was no match for base Freeza
  Base Freeza almost killed SSJ Gohan (who's > Piccolo) and killed Piccolo
  Then base Goku casually smacks around final form Freeza

With no indication that Piccolo got stronger in anyway way shape or form he's now suddenly stronger than base Goku?

Nope not buying it for a second.

so how did Piccolo do so well against Frost then.