Enigmo's Remasters

[sangofe]

Can you cut it out? People were only giving you their honest opinion and you decided to act all pompous about it and now you're all sad about it.

Exacto.

This egotistical attitude he's having is kind of unwelcome because he's trying to shove it on everyone's face with "my version looks better than the original". I get that he likes his own work but come on, give it a break.

Yeah, seems like thread starter started the thread just to fill up his ego meter excepting nothing but praise.

Frankly, the coloring's okay, although I've seen better, but the upscales aren't okay.

[Enigmo]

Wow, even after Bansho64's attempt to steer this thread back into a discussion about fan remastering, you still want to sit there and discuss my personality?

[Enigmo]

You guys need to understand... the way you guys are talking about me is just....... usually, i'd fight back, but out of respect for this place being about dbz, i am not fighting with anyone or even throwing the smallest insult. I did at first, and i felt like a dick for saying "Ajay wouldn't want me to spread the cancer", and so i removed it. like, i didn't even say anything bad about him, but it felt like for some reason i made it personal with him for no reason.

but you guys are speculating that i made this thread to brag about my skills? fam, if i was who you think i am, i would have been showing off a lot more stuff and you would have responded like this:

1. "OMG Enig-chan were you the person who remastered the first part of Kai but chose not to come back for the buu arc???"

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2. "wow enigmoses i know you could split the red sea, but i didn't know you could clean-up film colour ageing so well. sugoi fam."

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3. "no....enigmo...you konoyaro...how is it even humanly possible for one man to sharpen the fine details without bringing up all those artefacts like in the 3rd picture???"

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4. "gurrl, there's this indian kid called Upa who managed to turn his skin from this greasy yellow colour to a smooth peach colour, i so need to check out that Enigmo shower cream he uses."

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5. "OH MAH LARD!! If Beerus-sama destroyed Earth, you'd probably find a way to restore it, like you did with those damn trees homie. Like, how did you actually bring out what was hidden in the shadows of the original? Is that even possible?"

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But in all seriousness, I'm not here to fight with people, or insult people and get all personal like the way you guys are with me. I'm not here trying to compete, like some of you somehow inferred.

Like, my main goal is to somehow get in touch with official DBZ stuff.
I mean look: http://www.screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/165650
DB Kai was blurry, but I know how to sharpen it without bringing in too many unwanted artefacts. Imagine if Toei found this way and found ways around its small faults...

[genjosanzo8]

sharpening dragon ball kai is useless, in your screenshot there is halo effect beginning to appear on each line you sharpen and all artefact are amplified.
i was making things like that before ajay show me the differrence with kai 2.0 and the oversharpen of the japanese version.

the better remaster that can be done for dragon ball is a released with original cels color, the grain and the original audio all cleaned up like if they was a new stuffs, other remaster can only be fan-edit

my remaster is ordinary like these two screenshots and i know i can do better



and enigmo? for the japanese audio how can you restore it you?

[clutchins]

I'm only on my phone right now so I can't view this on a properly calibrated monitor but is Goku's gi red in those shots?

[genjosanzo8]

yes it's red approaching the red in these cel
http://taod.jp/p/600001-0148

[Fionordequester]

The fan "remasters"? I "suppose" I could say that they really "speak for themselves". I "think" that the colors on many of them look "good", and are "exemplary" of the "best" kind of remastering "work" that you could do. I think that their "virtues" are pretty "clear". If nothing else, you can practically feel the "passion" coming from the "uploaders". They certainly put a certain amount of "technique" into their "craft"....

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Really though, I know you're asking an actually serious question... but the "quotes" make the thread title sound like the most passive aggressive thing ever .

[Enigmo]

sharpening dragon ball kai is useless, in your screenshot there is halo effect beginning to appear on each line you sharpen and all artefact are amplified.
i was making things like that before ajay show me the differrence with kai 2.0 and the oversharpen of the japanese version.

Sharpening Kai is not useless. Did you check the screenshot I sent? Look at Goku's closed eyes, for instance. From going blurred, they become significantly crisp and clear without making it look unnatural. And yes, there's very MINIMAL haloing in the DB Kai screenshot, but I remember people on Kanzenshuu praising the Dragon Ball movie remasters that FUNi streamed, despite there being way more haloing than in the DB Kai screenshot.

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As for your remasters, it doesn't look bad but since I'm not seeing any original screencaps, to me they look mostly like brightened-up Dragon Box eps. As you can see from the cel you sent, the skies are supposed to be blue, so if you can do that, you'll make it look like a remaster.

and enigmo? for the japanese audio how can you restore it you?

Well, if you mean turning it from mono to stereo, the only way to do that would is through a creative process of extracting the voices, and sound effects from the music and reconstructing it--I'm not sure whether this'd work in practice but when I get my music production software installed on this PC, I'll try out some stuff. I've seen some fans duplicate the tracks and do some stuff, but they result in this weird warped sound, so it's not ideal.

The fan "remasters"? I "suppose" I could say that they really "speak for themselves". I "think" that the colors on many of them look "good", and are "exemplary" of the "best" kind of remastering "work" that you could do. I think that their "virtues" are pretty "clear". If nothing else, you can practically feel the "passion" coming from the "uploaders". They certainly put a certain amount of "technique" into their "craft"....

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Really though, I know you're asking an actually serious question... but the "quotes" make the thread title sound like the most passive aggressive thing ever .

lol, i quoted the word "remaster" because I knew there'd be backlash if I flat-out called it remastering. Some people believe a remaster has to do with rescanning the film at a higher resolution, but in reality..."remaster" simply means altering the final look. "Master" whether it's music, or film, refers to the final output, and so what fans do--whether it be for the better or worse--are still doing enough to consider it remastering.Despite me believing this, I tried to avoid argument and just said it's not remastering, but that didn't work lol

[sangofe]

I'd be interested in seeing what you'd do with the DBZ Kai "Final Chapters".

[genjosanzo8]

sharpening dragon ball kai is useless, in your screenshot there is halo effect beginning to appear on each line you sharpen and all artefact are amplified.
i was making things like that before ajay show me the differrence with kai 2.0 and the oversharpen of the japanese version.

Sharpening Kai is not useless. Did you check the screenshot I sent? Look at Goku's closed eyes, for instance. From going blurred, they become significantly crisp and clear without making it look unnatural. And yes, there's very MINIMAL haloing in the DB Kai screenshot, but I remember people on Kanzenshuu praising the Dragon Ball movie remasters that FUNi streamed, despite there being way more haloing than in the DB Kai screenshot.

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for thye cel scan i gave the link of toei cels scan for their vod service
sharpening it was like when i did this
(it was too dark and oversaturated) but the grain are amplified causing artefact on screen, yes it is more sharp and less blurry but in movement the worst things are more visible)

[clutchins]

Personally I think color correcting Kai 1.0 is a fruitless effort since Toei went with a different color pallette intentionally, but for Kai 2.0 that icky green shift needs to be removed at all costs. Of course, I want to see original DB and DBZ (and GT I guess) color corrected before anything else.

[Iberian_Saiyan]

Personally I think color correcting Kai 1.0 is a fruitless effort since Toei went with a different color pallette intentionally, but for Kai 2.0 that icky green shift needs to be removed at all costs. Of course, I want to see original DB and DBZ (and GT I guess) color corrected before anything else.

Agreed. There isn't much point to trying to 'improve' Kai 1.0 as the company in charge did a great job with what they had and with the budget/equipment.

[genjosanzo8]

that's the reason i only have correct the color cast (there is a small) and nothing else, these screenshot was before

[Enigmo]

well, Kai does need improvement in its blurriness. this blur could be natural blur and not intentional smoothing, but i'd still rather see a HD show that's actually sharp in its HD resolution. the colours of kai 1.0 don't need changing

[Bansho64]

I think this fan remaster is a great example of what Dragon Ball Kai could look like without the green color cast https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K50n0RViPOI

[Iberian_Saiyan]

Well, I am very satisfied with Kai 1.0 overall and watching it on Blu-ray on an HDTV makes a whole lot more difference than on a small PC monitor so it's not necessarily the same thing, Enigmo. We all get that you prefer your "remasters" to the original source and that's fine but you just can't compare to actual professional experts that deal with this type of job for a living. It doesn't look good on you neither self-promoting.

P.S. This topic feels it should be on Fan-Created Works section than on the General Franchise Discussion section as it has nothing to do with the general side of the franchise.

[Enigmo]

i've never worked with kai buu arc, since I've never watched it, but I gave a go at CC'ing it. The bad thing about Kai buu arc (and probably even the first Kai--I've never messed with the colours) is that they change too much from scene to scene. Dragon Box and even FUNi's stuff don't have variation of colouring from cut-to-cut. Their colours usually change in chunks of episodes. But with DB Kai Buu arc, the colours change slightly almost at every cut.





I chose a few that looked good with the settings I put. The way I do my CC is quite effective if the source's colours are consistent, but since it's real-time playback CC, I can't go in and keep changing it...

But, if someone was bothered to go through every cut and give it its own colour correction, DB Kai 2.0 looks like it could have the most "celluloid look"

[Enigmo]

P.S. This topic feels it should be on Fan-Created Works section than on the General Franchise Discussion section as it has nothing to do with the general side of the franchise.

lol this was like the 1st thread i started in this place, i don't know where's where

[MrWalnut4]

I think this fan remaster is a great example of what Dragon Ball Kai could look like without the green color cast https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K50n0RViPOI

Well thanks! I'm not 100% satisfied with it because of the faces being too bright and Piccolo looking awful, but it was definitely interesting trying to correct Buu Kai compared to Kai 1.0.

imo that's toooo bright

i've never worked with kai buu arc, since I've never watched it, but I gave a go at CC'ing it. The bad thing about Kai buu arc (and probably even the first Kai--I've never messed with the colours) is that they change too much from scene to scene. Dragon Box and even FUNi's stuff don't have variation of colouring from cut-to-cut. Their colours usually change in chunks of episodes. But with DB Kai Buu arc, the colours change slightly almost at every cut.

Yeah, unfortunately there wasn't much I could do without getting artifacts as the reds (specifically skin tones) are much too bright in Kai. The Dragon Box version looks infinitely better without the unnecessary brightening losing contrast in Kai.

[Bansho64]

Those were some great remasters MrWalnut4! I saw a couple of your other videos and I really like all of them. Especially the one after Vegeta's Final Flash. How did you go about remastering the footage?