What use Vegeta Super Saiyan 4 actually had?

Kishido · Post by **Kishido** » Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:25 am

If he isn't able to transform on his own into the form?

I still do not understand why he can't do ith without the Bulma machine after all. He masterd it once so why the need of waves again? Maybe because he cheated but still the concept is strange. It would mean Bulma has to be always close to him with that machine...

I would have prefered a lot that he would reach a true Super Saiyan 4 as well... It wouldn't be that hard... Go to Elder Kai, let your damn tail being pulled out and transform looking at the earth or whatever.

Sodhi · Post by **Sodhi** » Fri Mar 18, 2016 9:49 am

The only use it served imo was to give Vegeta a transformation because he fell way behind goku and to form ssj4 gogeta.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Fri Mar 18, 2016 10:08 am

Super Saiyan 4 Vegeta was created to sell more merchandise.

Dragon Ball GT was also coming to a close so Kasai and the others probably felt it would be a good idea to bring Vegeta onto the same level as Gokuu before it was too late. The series could have potentially continued--I'm sure they hoped--so it's not like the form would've been without use later down the line.

sintzu · Post by **sintzu** » Fri Mar 18, 2016 10:20 am

Vegeta didn't need Bulma to reach Ssj4, he needed her to reach Ozaru due to him not having a tail and due to there not being any planet giving out the waves he needed to reach Golden Ozaru.

After that he reached Ssj4 on his own after he regained consciousness which means he probably wouldn't have had to go through the Ozaru steps if he decided to have his tail pulled out.

The anime didn't say anything about needing a tail once the form was reached so is there anything in the GT perfect files about it ?

JulieYBM wrote:I'm sure they hoped--so it's not like the form would've been without use later down the line.

I wish they'd release a manga or Novel that continues where they left off.

Lord Beerus · Post by **Lord Beerus** » Fri Mar 18, 2016 10:32 am

JulieYBM wrote:Super Saiyan 4 Vegeta was created to sell more merchandise.

Yep. That's pretty much the reason. Plus, at this stage GT was deader than disco and Toei nneded any reason they could create to further the plot and keep the show on the air for as long as possible. And Vegeta becoming a Super Saiyan 4 was one of the idea the, in Toei's mind at that time, stuck to the wall. Ultimately, Vegeta becoming a Super Saiyan 4 was pointless.

Kishido · Post by **Kishido** » Fri Mar 18, 2016 11:20 am

sintzu wrote:Vegeta didn't need Bulma to reach Ssj4, he needed her to reach Ozaru due to him not having a tail and due to there not being any planet giving out the waves he needed to reach Golden Ozaru.

After that he reached Ssj4 on his own after he regained consciousness which means he probably wouldn't have had to go through the Ozaru steps if he decided to have his tail pulled out.

The anime didn't say anything about needing a tail once the form was reached so is there anything in the GT perfect files about it ?

JulieYBM wrote:I'm sure they hoped--so it's not like the form would've been without use later down the line.
I wish they'd release a manga or Novel that continues where they left off.

Rewatch GT

After he and Goku defuse he wants to to go Super Saiyan 4 again... Bulma tells him the machine is broken... And he can't

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1tTWAjOul8

Starting at 1:10

Captain Strawberry · Post by **Captain Strawberry** » Fri Mar 18, 2016 1:58 pm

I think Vegeta can go SSJ4 on his own. It's like, does Goku have to keep looking at the moon and harness the Oozaru to become a SSJ4?

dbzfan7 · Post by **dbzfan7** » Fri Mar 18, 2016 2:00 pm

If he doesn't have a tail, he probably has to use the machine again.

Captain Strawberry · Post by **Captain Strawberry** » Fri Mar 18, 2016 2:01 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:If he doesn't have a tail, he probably has to use the machine again.

I think a remember a dub line now where Goku says something like 'atleast I dont need a blutzwave'

Sandubadear · Post by **Sandubadear** » Fri Mar 18, 2016 2:40 pm

In my opinion he can transform by himself, he just couldn't at that moment because he had no energy, so he wanted more Blutz Waves in order to restore his energy (Bulma did that to Baby so I guess it would work for Vegeta as well).

Kishido · Post by **Kishido** » Fri Mar 18, 2016 5:37 pm

With all respect... Do you even have watched the link in my reply?

Vegeta called for Bulma and the machine... Machine is broken... Goku is LOLing at him asking if he can't get SSJ4 on his own. If he could he would do so instead of just using SSJ2 in episode 63.

Tectorman · Post by **Tectorman** » Fri Mar 18, 2016 9:21 pm

I always thought the real reason why Goku could use SSJ4 at will (even without a full moon or full planet to start the process) and Vegeta needed the machine was due to Goku drinking the Ultra Divine Water as a child. He took the power of the moon-granted Oozaru and internalized it and made it his own. So in GT, when he went Golden Oozaru, it resonated with the moon-granted Oozaru he already had, and he was able to skip the need for Blutz waves. Vegeta does at one point call him an aberration for being able to do this, and Goku is the only Saiyan to drink the Ultra Divine Water, so I thought it was referring to that.

Cetra · Post by **Cetra** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:05 am

Goku still has a tail, even after reverting. Vegeta, who needs more Waves to compensate for the lack of tail, does not. So the key to transform even afterwards might be the tail.

emperior · Post by **emperior** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 4:38 am

I will never get why Vegeta lost his tail when he went back to base. Imo he should have kept the tail ever since Baby turned into a Golden Oozaru.

Cetra · Post by **Cetra** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:49 am

But you revert to your previous state. Goku also stays a kid.

Kuririn Fan · Post by **Kuririn Fan** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:55 am

He had the use of saving GT from being 100% Goku Time. He did nothing in the end, so GT is still 99,9% Goku Time.

Kishido · Post by **Kishido** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:18 am

Cetra wrote:But you revert to your previous state. Goku also stays a kid.

Not that this was stupid as well...

Still I dunno why in the time inbetween the final arc Vegeta somehow let his damn tail being pulled out again...

But well the tails are a shit after all... Goten/Trunks never have been mentioned and Gohan never got his back as well for reasons.

In the beginning the damn tail even has regrown

Cetra · Post by **Cetra** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 9:43 am

Kishido wrote:
Cetra wrote:But you revert to your previous state. Goku also stays a kid.
Not that this was stupid as well...

Still I dunno why in the time inbetween the final arc Vegeta somehow let his damn tail being pulled out again...

But well the tails are a shit after all... Goten/Trunks never have been mentioned and Gohan never got his back as well for reasons.

In the beginning the damn tail even has regrown

Goten and Trunks never had tails. It is a recessive trait.

sintzu · Post by **sintzu** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 10:20 am

Kishido wrote:
I dunno why in the time inbetween the final arc Vegeta somehow let his damn tail being pulled out again...

He probably did cause with Goku gone he was earth's new protector so he'd need to be able to go all out whenever he needed in case of a surprise attack.

Kuririn Fan · Post by **Kuririn Fan** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 11:57 am

sintzu wrote:
Kishido wrote:
I dunno why in the time inbetween the final arc Vegeta somehow let his damn tail being pulled out again...

He probably did cause with Goku gone he was earth's new protector so he'd need to be able to go all out whenever he needed in case of a surprise attack.

I can't imagine Vegeta letting Elder Kaioshin pull his tail out

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