"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[namekiansaiyan]

Chapter 10 text highlights from 2ch:

* Cabba is surprised at Frost's final form. "Is that... Frost's true form?"
* Frost weaker than Freeza confirmed? "If you train, you can become stronger. That's how Freeza was."
* Frost doesn't play dumb to Goku after winning. "You're good, I have no idea what technique that was." "Thank you."
* Vegeta does not approve. "That's because you needlessly let your opponent attack and you ended up suffering brain damage or something, fool."

Goku and Piccolo have the same conversation.

* Piccolo is not happy fighting against final form Frost. "I'm sorry. If possible, I would like to keep winning this way until the end so I want to end this match/the matches as soon as possible."
* Champa and Vados have a keen eye. "He's... a Namekian, right?" "I wonder... He might be a little different..."
* Piccolo gets serious. "I'm not a Namekian, I'm the reincarnation of Piccolo Daimaou... I can't defeat you but there's also a way to not be defeated..."
* Vegeta and Goku got no hope. "But, as I thought, it's a one-way defensive battle... His stamina is also decreasing but Piccolo's is beyond that." "Well, even he [Frost] is getting a bit annoyed."
* Frost has had enough. "...No way I'll let this go further..."
* Champa is on Frost's side. "What are you saying? Frost is a proud hand-to-hand fighter!"
* Frost gets busted. "Since it was discovered, it can't be helped. Just be thankful that you weren't killed..."
* Frost can't stay quiet. "I just wanted to quickly end a tournament that doesn't even have a prize money."

The rest is pretty much the same as the episode. I think Toyotarou forgot Piccolo was still in the tournament, though...

What exactly do the bold terms mean.

[Hugo Boss]

Jacob covered the first part, though Piccolo should be a Namekian since he rejoined God.

The second means Piccolo is in defensive mode and his stamina is decreasing faster than Frost's.

[nato25]

Piccolo isn't a namekian, what? How does that make any sense? I just got done watching Kai Freeza arc and Piccolo seems pretty proud of his heritage once he discovers it. Why would he go against that?

That thing about Piccolo being a little different, I feel there is definitely something more to the Namekians that might get revealed that would be cool.

[apex_pretador]

Chapter 10 text highlights from 2ch:

* Cabba is surprised at Frost's final form. "Is that... Frost's true form?"
* Frost weaker than Freeza confirmed? "If you train, you can become stronger. That's how Freeza was."
* Frost doesn't play dumb to Goku after winning. "You're good, I have no idea what technique that was." "Thank you."
* Vegeta does not approve. "That's because you needlessly let your opponent attack and you ended up suffering brain damage or something, fool."

Goku and Piccolo have the same conversation.

* Piccolo is not happy fighting against final form Frost. "I'm sorry. If possible, I would like to keep winning this way until the end so I want to end this match/the matches as soon as possible."
* Champa and Vados have a keen eye. "He's... a Namekian, right?" "I wonder... He might be a little different..."
* Piccolo gets serious. "I'm not a Namekian, I'm the reincarnation of Piccolo Daimaou... I can't defeat you but there's also a way to not be defeated..."
* Vegeta and Goku got no hope. "But, as I thought, it's a one-way defensive battle... His stamina is also decreasing but Piccolo's is beyond that." "Well, even he [Frost] is getting a bit annoyed."
* Frost has had enough. "...No way I'll let this go further..."
* Champa is on Frost's side. "What are you saying? Frost is a proud hand-to-hand fighter!"
* Frost gets busted. "Since it was discovered, it can't be helped. Just be thankful that you weren't killed..."
* Frost can't stay quiet. "I just wanted to quickly end a tournament that doesn't even have a prize money."

The rest is pretty much the same as the episode. I think Toyotarou forgot Piccolo was still in the tournament, though...

Yeah, I think I'll wait for Herms on this one. This is completely different from the 2 translations I read.

There's also Piccolo saying he is not a Namekian, what the hell...

the return of demon piccolo from 23rd TB

(He was about to blow a hole in frost just like 23rd TB)

[alakazam^]

What exactly do the bold terms mean.

Hugo Boss and Jacob already covered the others but the one about not being defeated means that Piccolo can't defeat Frost but he thought about a way to not go down as well.

Piccolo isn't a namekian, what? How does that make any sense? I just got done watching Kai Freeza arc and Piccolo seems pretty proud of his heritage once he discovers it. Why would he go against that?

That thing about Piccolo being a little different, I feel there is definitely something more to the Namekians that might get revealed that would be cool.

Yeah, that was strange but I assume it was meant as a "don't lump me together with the others, I'm my own self" kind of way.

[ShinTenshin]

Several confirmations :

Frost is exhausted after the fight with Goku, it's confirmed by the power decreasing.
Piccolo is clearly inferior and fight at a certain distance until frost is dead, sadly Piccolo is rapidly exhausted.
Goku imply that Frost is much weaker than frieza, so he can't be on the God scale, potentially under "final form frieza".
For the moment Universe 6 is a failure and i think only hit is on the God scale when Universe 7 has 3 divine warriors.

I still think the SS Goku against Beerus (God absorption) is now the SSBLUE, the SS of the Champa Arc is the power of the past (SS3 tier).

[apex_pretador]

Several confirmations :

Frost is exhausted after the fight with Goku, it's confirmed by the power decreasing.
Piccolo is clearly inferior and fight at a certain distance until frost is dead, sadly Piccolo is rapidly exhausted.
Goku imply that Frost is much weaker than frieza, so he can't be on the God scale, potentially under "final form frieza".
For the moment Universe 6 is a failure and i think only hit is on the God scale when Universe 7 has 3 divine warriors.

I still think the SS Goku against Beerus (God absorption) is now the SSBLUE, the SS of the Champa Arc is the power of the past (SS3 tier).

he could be talking about golden freeza

[buutenks]

I put frost at stronger than final form freeza from rof and way below golden freeza.

Reason is because his assault form gave base goku trouble and his final form is even stronger.

Still even with that, final form freeza, base goku, frost and piccolo are very low on the 1-10 scale.

Id say, base goku 0.3/ssj 1/ssj blue 8.5(or 9)
assault form frost 0.25/ final form 0.5
Piccolo 0.4

Basically i place them apart from ssj goku at raging ssj2 vegeta's level.

Several confirmations :

Frost is exhausted after the fight with Goku, it's confirmed by the power decreasing.
Piccolo is clearly inferior and fight at a certain distance until frost is dead, sadly Piccolo is rapidly exhausted.
Goku imply that Frost is much weaker than frieza, so he can't be on the God scale, potentially under "final form frieza".
For the moment Universe 6 is a failure and i think only hit is on the God scale when Universe 7 has 3 divine warriors.

I still think the SS Goku against Beerus (God absorption) is now the SSBLUE, the SS of the Champa Arc is the power of the past (SS3 tier).

I believe all uni6 members r on the god scale apart from botamo.

Anyways seems the order of the fights is probably in the order of how powerful the uni6 members r.

Botamo weakest, frost 4th strongest, mageta third, cabe second and hit being the strongest.

Also, even after cabe saw goku go ssj while he was surprised he can transform, he never hinted or said anything that its to much power.

So i believe cabe is going to be very powerful.

[apex_pretador]

Also, even after cabe saw goku go ssj while he was surprised he can transform, he never hinted or said anything that its to much power.

So i believe cabe is going to be very powerful.

And he was sweating himself when frost said he will transform.
Not to mention that he may not know how to sense ki.

[TekTheNinja]

I definitely expect Goku to comment on Piccolo's power in the next episode He will probably say I was wrong about you not being able to win, you have got really strong.

I wouldn't have your hopes up on that one, my friend. I hate to say this, but other than training with Gohan in the mountains, there isn't evidence to support the assumption that Piccolo got "really strong", as you put it.

You can argue that Piccolo blocking the punches Frost was throwing would be adequate evidence, but I doubt it's concrete enough to warrant Goku's praise.

Whether Goku says this or not which I doubt, it really wouldn't change anything. It sounds like you're looking for validation and reassurance to your favorite character. Believe me, I'm a massive Piccolo fan, arguably the biggest one aside from you and a couple others, (I have the biggest Piccolo page on Facebook), but I think we harped on the same things about Big Green for weeks now. It's not going to change anything. It's not going to change the outcome of the series. As much as I want Piccolo to succeed, there's nothing you nor me could do about it when he loses.

I moved on . You should too, my friend.

Actually, if we don't have anyone other than goku or Vegeta doing something relevant soon I might entirely drop the series. Say what you want about DB and DBZ, but they gave most characters stuff to do. There are a few flops such as building up Gohan just so he could be absorbed, but overall most characters were at least somewhat relevant. Super on the other hand isn't even trying to make anyone but Goku and Vegeta relevant. Those two were already way ahead of everyone else, but then they decide to give them a major boost with god ki. No other characters have seemed to get any major gains at all. Then there's the parts where it seems they are actively avoiding giving other characters relevancy. Then they tease us with Buu and Piccolo coming to the tournament, but disqualify and forget about Buu and then make Piccolo lose in a pretty humiliating fashion. The fight scenes are also garbage so I can't even look forward to that.

This show is seriously pissing me off, but I'm having trouble dropping it because well... It's Dragon Ball. I basically feel obligated to watch it.

[buutenks]

Also, even after cabe saw goku go ssj while he was surprised he can transform, he never hinted or said anything that its to much power.

So i believe cabe is going to be very powerful.

And he was sweating himself when frost said he will transform.
Not to mention that he may not know how to sense ki.

I think they wouldnt make cabe to be weak. But we will see i guess.

[namekiansaiyan]

Several confirmations :

Frost is exhausted after the fight with Goku, it's confirmed by the power decreasing.
Piccolo is clearly inferior and fight at a certain distance until frost is dead, sadly Piccolo is rapidly exhausted.
Goku imply that Frost is much weaker than frieza, so he can't be on the God scale, potentially under "final form frieza".
For the moment Universe 6 is a failure and i think only hit is on the God scale when Universe 7 has 3 divine warriors.

I still think the SS Goku against Beerus (God absorption) is now the SSBLUE, the SS of the Champa Arc is the power of the past (SS3 tier).

alakazam did not say Frost is exhausted after the fight with Goku. If base Goku is on the God scale then so are Frost and Piccolo. Piccolo and Frost have to be similar as Frost can't beat Piccolo and I know many of you will not agree with this.

[Hugo Boss]

They are not similar. Piccolo admitted he can't beat Frost, he was avoiding close combat and his stamina was decreasing faster. Frost cheated because the match was taking too long to finish.

[ShinTenshin]

If the power decreasing isn't related to the fight against Goku, i'm the Pope.
It's the reason why Piccolo want to fight at a certain distance, he just wait for a total exhausting.
That explain the quote " i can't beat you but i can do something ".

[LowRyder2005]

Predictions that didn't really need any confirmation, but still:

* Frost being stronger than Namek Freeza (Frost > Piccolo > Imperfect Cell > Freeza) but weaker than ROF's Freeza. ✓
* Goku's Super Saiyan being not that impressive. ✓

And now, we only need to wait a whole 'nother month for the upcoming "Goku and Vegeta were not using their God power/ki at all", and/or "Goku and Vegeta are not that much stronger than their Dragon Ball (Z) selves if they don't go Super Saiyan Blue".

Ten bucks on a random feat of a suddenly-awaken Mr. Buu when the tournament goes downhill (like knocking out Frost or Magetta), to solve the "God scale or not" debate.

[namekiansaiyan]

They are not similar. Piccolo admitted he can't beat Frost, he was avoiding close combat and his stamina was decreasing faster. Frost cheated because the match was taking too long to finish.

If the power decreasing isn't related to the fight against Goku, i'm the Pope.
It's the reason why Piccolo want to fight at a certain distance, he just wait for a total exhausting.
That explain the quote " i can't beat you but i can do something ".

Piccolo blocked the last puch from Frost with ease. Vegeta and Goku were skocked when he lost. In both the Manga and Anime the words spoken contradict the actual fight scenes. Have you not heard the saying actions speak louder than words.

[namekiansaiyan]

Predictions that didn't really need any confirmation, but still:

* Frost being stronger than Namek Freeza (Frost > Piccolo > Imperfect Cell > Freeza) but weaker than ROF's Freeza. ✓
* Goku's Super Saiyan being not that impressive. ✓

And now, we only need to wait a whole 'nother month for the upcoming "Goku and Vegeta were not using their God power/ki at all", and/or "Goku and Vegeta are not that much stronger than their Dragon Ball (Z) selves if they don't go Super Saiyan Blue".

Ten bucks on a random feat of a suddenly-awaken Mr. Buu when the tournament goes downhill (like knocking out Frost or Magetta), to solve the "God scale or not" debate.

Base Goku, Piccolo and Frost stronger than Final form Frieza. I dont not know where you got that Super Saiyn is not impressive it is definitely not proved. I also predict your future predictions will not happen because that will probably make Goku and Vegeta stronger than Beerus.

[ShinTenshin]

Yes he block with ease a punch of Frost.
But this is when "the Frieza copy" is completely exhausted, nothing impressive here.
It's an really easy fact against an weak opponent not far from fetus Pan tier.

Good job Piccolo.

[namekiansaiyan]

Yes he block with ease a punch of Frost.
But this is when "the Frieza copy" is completely exhausted, nothing impressive here.
It's an really easy fact against an weak opponent not far from fetus Pan tier.

Good job Piccolo.

I thought Piccolo is exhausted as well so if both are exhausted then it is theory the same as having them both at full strength.

[ShinTenshin]

Yes but Piccolo hasn't been destroyed by SS Goku.
That's an HUGE difference.
I think Buu is still stronger we'll have a confirmation sooner or later.