"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by namekiansaiyan » Sat Mar 19, 2016 8:35 am

ShinTenshin wrote:Yes but Piccolo hasn't been destroyed by SS Goku.
That's an HUGE difference.
I think Buu is still stronger we'll have a confirmation sooner or later.
I doubt it very much, I don't think we will ever see Buu fight again this is why he is not in the tournament at all. There was no need for that test it was just to get rid of Buu for more Vegeta and Goku time. I also think Gohan is finished for good as he would have participated instead of going to his conference and Vegeta making Piccolo forfeit is just bad as well.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Hugo Boss » Sat Mar 19, 2016 1:27 pm

namekiansaiyan wrote:Piccolo blocked the last puch from Frost with ease. Vegeta and Goku were skocked when he lost. In both the Manga and Anime the words spoken contradict the actual fight scenes. Have you not heard the saying actions speak louder than words.
Piccolo didn't block any serious punch. He was hit by Frost's needle. Goku and Vegeta described exactly what happened in the fight, I don't know what you are talking about. They were shocked that Piccolo lost all of a sudden with a weak attack. The match was supposed to last longer.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by dbzfan7 » Sat Mar 19, 2016 1:34 pm

Hugo Boss wrote:Piccolo didn't block any serious punch. He was hit by Frost's needle. Goku and Vegeta described exactly what happened in the fight, I don't know what you are talking about. They were shocked that Piccolo lost all of a sudden. The match was supposed to last longer.
You are wasting your time. Trust me. You could see Piccolo trip and hit hit face, and you'll hear the response "The sun was in his eyes." If you think you're gonna make progress, you unfortunately will not. You're just gonna flood the topic with back and forth til one of you gets bored, and nobody changes their stance.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by ZombieVito » Sat Mar 19, 2016 1:49 pm

I never expected to say this but thank god for the anime. Piccolo wasn't completely humiliated in that one.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Neon Z » Sat Mar 19, 2016 3:20 pm

The anime depiction is kind of nonsensical though. Piccolo is described as grand strategist, and the viewer is meant to look at Piccolo's distractions and plan to use the Makkankosappo as a great move, but yet the animation often shows him blocking Frost's attacks, even while using only one hand, and generally keeping up with him just fine, in spite of having to charge an attack at the same time. That makes his whole Makankosappo strategy look fairly questionable, since the way the anime shows things it looks like Piccolo should be able to beat Frost with his own power.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by namekiansaiyan » Sat Mar 19, 2016 3:27 pm

Neon Z wrote:The anime depiction is kind of nonsensical though. Piccolo is described as grand strategist, and the viewer is meant to look at Piccolo's distractions and plan to use the Makkankosappo as a great move, but yet the animation often shows him blocking Frost's attacks, even while using only one hand, and generally keeping up with him just fine, in spite of having to charge an attack at the same time. That makes his whole Makankosappo strategy look fairly questionable, since the way the anime shows things it looks like Piccolo should be able to beat Frost with his own power.
That is why I say Frost and Piccolo have to be close in power but Piccolo wanted to make sure he would win so he decided to finish it in 1 ridiculously powerful attack, which was obviously way more powerful than needed as it destroyed the dome.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta » Sat Mar 19, 2016 4:52 pm

Neon Z wrote:The anime depiction is kind of nonsensical though. Piccolo is described as grand strategist, and the viewer is meant to look at Piccolo's distractions and plan to use the Makkankosappo as a great move, but yet the animation often shows him blocking Frost's attacks, even while using only one hand, and generally keeping up with him just fine, in spite of having to charge an attack at the same time. That makes his whole Makankosappo strategy look fairly questionable, since the way the anime shows things it looks like Piccolo should be able to beat Frost with his own power.

This is all true, I think Frost is meant to be stronger, like goku said and the team just made a mistake like they always do. Which means in universe why we have to question, do we take it as the intent where piccolo is weaker then frost?

Or do we go by what we see, which is piccolo keep up with frost with only 1 hand while using up more and more energy by the second, the fact he can dodge and block and even take blast attacks from frost means piccolo>frost post fighting Goku..... Either way people will fight, you can say goku made a mistake in what he said to piccolo, but I say it doesn't matter because how inconsistent dbz has been since battle of gods. Logically if chop sticks don't break on piccolo, who's above android 17, and they break on me that means dragonball is telling me I AM STRONGER THEN PICCOLO! I guess my workout is pretty great! :D

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Khin » Sat Mar 19, 2016 4:54 pm

It was clear that Goku underestimates Piccolo when he said he doesnt have a chance.Even Piccolo notes it.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by ZombieVito » Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:02 pm

Hopefully we get something in 2 hours.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by namekiansaiyan » Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:09 pm

LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:
Neon Z wrote:The anime depiction is kind of nonsensical though. Piccolo is described as grand strategist, and the viewer is meant to look at Piccolo's distractions and plan to use the Makkankosappo as a great move, but yet the animation often shows him blocking Frost's attacks, even while using only one hand, and generally keeping up with him just fine, in spite of having to charge an attack at the same time. That makes his whole Makankosappo strategy look fairly questionable, since the way the anime shows things it looks like Piccolo should be able to beat Frost with his own power.

This is all true, I think Frost is meant to be stronger, like goku said and the team just made a mistake like they always do. Which means in universe why we have to question, do we take it as the intent where piccolo is weaker then frost?

Or do we go by what we see, which is piccolo keep up with frost with only 1 hand while using up more and more energy by the second, the fact he can dodge and block and even take blast attacks from frost means piccolo>frost post fighting Goku..... Either way people will fight, you can say goku made a mistake in what he said to piccolo, but I say it doesn't matter because how inconsistent dbz has been since battle of gods. Logically if chop sticks don't break on piccolo, who's above android 17, and they break on me that means dragonball is telling me I AM STRONGER THEN PICCOLO! I guess my workout is pretty great! :D

When it comes to dragonball,especially post BOG dragonball, ignore power levels. Turn your brain off and just watch, otherwise the bad writing might annoy you when you try to make sense of it.
SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:It was clear that Goku underestimates Piccolo when he said he doesnt have a chance.Even Piccolo notes it.
That is basically what I said earlier, the words spoken contradict the action. This debate will probably never get an answer going by Super's record.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Noah » Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:13 pm

SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:It was clear that Goku underestimates Piccolo when he said he doesnt have a chance.Even Piccolo notes it.
Notes like how? By saying: "Oh you didn't need to be so honest"? Come on
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by namekiansaiyan » Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:16 pm

Noah wrote:
SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:It was clear that Goku underestimates Piccolo when he said he doesnt have a chance.Even Piccolo notes it.
Notes like how? By saying: "Oh you didn't need to be so honest"? Come on
When Piccolo is in the ring talking to Frost, Piccolo says everyone is underestimating him.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Khin » Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:16 pm

Noah wrote:
SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:It was clear that Goku underestimates Piccolo when he said he doesnt have a chance.Even Piccolo notes it.
Notes like how? By saying: "Oh you didn't need to be so honest"? Come on
''It seems like everyone is underestimating me today''

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Noah » Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:19 pm

SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:''It seems like everyone is underestimating me today''
Interesting, I didn't note this quote, which minute was?
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Khin » Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:21 pm

Noah wrote:
SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:''It seems like everyone is underestimating me today''
Interesting, I didn't note this quote, which minute was?
Right after when he stepped in the ring when he was removing his weighted clothes in preparation to fight against Frost.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Meshack » Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:26 pm

This version of Piccolo vs Frost is way better than the anime. The Makankosappo is a deadly technique and using it in a tournament where you can't kill is completely stupid

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by namekiansaiyan » Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:28 pm

Meshack wrote:This version of Piccolo vs Frost is way better than the anime. The Makankosappo is a deadly technique and using it in a tournament where you can't kill is completely stupid
Just because we know Frost is a cheat, it would be funny to see a headless Frost after getting his head blown off by the Special Beam Cannon.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Khin » Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:31 pm

Meshack wrote:This version of Piccolo vs Frost is way better than the anime. The Makankosappo is a deadly technique and using it in a tournament where you can't kill is completely stupid
As stated in the previous pages.Frost won't get killed by Piccolo's Makankossapo.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by ZombieVito » Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:35 pm

Dende is also there to heal Frost if needed.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Khin » Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:44 pm

Zombie wrote:Dende is also there to heal Frost if needed.
Since Whis have also the ability to heal.Vados can probably do it also.

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