The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Lord Beerus]

New match:

SSJ Goten (Post training in Time Chamber) runs the gauntlet.

Imperfect Cell (vs 16)
Semi-Perfect Cell
SS Grade 2 Vegeta
SS Grade 3 Trunks
FPSS Cell Games Goku
FPSS Cell Games Gohan
7 Cell Juniors
Piccolo (Buu Saga)
Perfect Cell
SSJ2 Buu Saga Gohan
Super Perfect Cell
SSJ2 Kid Gohan

Stops dead in his tracks at SSJ2 Buu Saga Gohan.

[apex_pretador]

Does that actually mean anything?

Just kidding, mate... Let's proceed!

New matches:

- SSJ Goku (Boo Arc) x Full Power Bojack

- Supressed SSJ Gohan (Boo Arc) x Coola Armored Squad & Final Form Coola

- Base Vegeta (Android Arc) x Giant Slug

- Base Mirai Trunks (Android Arc) x Tullece (after have eaten 10 fruits of the Tree Of Might)

- Super Android 13 x Bujin & Zangya

Goku is way more skiled and has a little power advantage.
He wins

gohan tells goten to deal with them & goes to sleep because they are not worth fighting him.

vegeta literally eats him

lets see:
1 friut ~ =350k boost, 10 fruits = 3.5 million. My numbers put FT base above that, so he must win.
However, it is not including the most important factor, great ape.. Tullece creates moon, and literally stomps on trunks unless he goes SS

They fist bump and the shockwave produced turns super 13 to scrap metal.

New match:

SSJ Goten (Post training in Time Chamber) runs the gauntlet.

Imperfect Cell (vs 16)
Semi-Perfect Cell
SS Grade 2 Vegeta
SS Grade 3 Trunks
FPSS Cell Games Goku
FPSS Cell Games Gohan
7 Cell Juniors
Piccolo (Buu Saga)
Perfect Cell
SSJ2 Buu Saga Gohan
Super Perfect Cell
SSJ2 Kid Gohan

Hits a brick steel wall at CG goku. You can add trunks and still not getting past goku.
Why is buu arc piccolo above 7 jrs & CG gohan?

[DanielSSJ]

New matches:

- SSJ Goku (Boo Arc) x Full Power Bojack

- Supressed SSJ Gohan (Boo Arc) x Coola Armored Squad & Final Form Coola

- Base Vegeta (Android Arc) x Giant Slug

- Base Mirai Trunks (Android Arc) x Tullece (after have eaten 10 fruits of the Tree Of Might)

- Super Android 13 x Bujin & Zangya

- Bojack is a bit stronger, but Goku is more skilled. Could go either way, but the odds are in Bojack's favor.
- Don't know what supressed SS Gohan is supposed to be.
- Slug is only about as strong as 2nd or 3rd form Freeza. Vegeta wins effortlessly.
- Since I assume the fruit's boosts are additive rather than multiplicative, Tullece could eat 100 fruits and Trunks would still win.
- Bujin and Zangya are nearly as strong as the Cell Games Super Saiyans, whereas Super 13 is probably 2nd Stage Cell tier(and that is being generous). 13 would be boned fighting one of them. Two of them is overkll.

SSJ Goten (Post training in Time Chamber) runs the gauntlet.

Imperfect Cell (vs 16)
Semi-Perfect Cell
SS Grade 2 Vegeta
SS Grade 3 Trunks
FPSS Cell Games Goku
FPSS Cell Games Gohan
7 Cell Juniors
Piccolo (Buu Saga)
Perfect Cell
SSJ2 Buu Saga Gohan
Super Perfect Cell
SSJ2 Kid Gohan

- Hits a brick wall at Cell Games SS Goku .

[Hellspawn28]

Shasami during his fight with Piccolo in ROF vs.. (In no real order):


Final Form Coola
Super 13
Semi Perfect Cell
Bio Broli
Hatchiyack
LSSj Movie 10 Broli
Super Perfect Cell
Majin Vegeta
Fat Buu
Aka
Janemba
Kid Buu
Beerus

[Khin]

Shasami during his fight with Piccolo in ROF vs.. (In no real order):


Final Form Coola
Super 13
Semi Perfect Cell
Bio Broli
Hatchiyack
LSSj Movie 10 Broli
Super Perfect Cell
Majin Vegeta
Fat Buu
Aka
Janemba
Kid Buu
Beerus

Super Shisami gets obliterated by Coola with a wave of his hand.ROF Movie Shisami on the other hand makes his way up until hitting a brick wall at Movie 10 Broli.

[Doctor.]

Hypothetical Golden Cell vs Beerus

[Khin]

Hypothetical Golden Cell vs Beerus

If Cell don't have the 4 months training.He gets stomped into oblivion.If he has the training,i'd say he should be able to make quick work of Beerus.

[Bansho64]

Hypothetical Super Saiyan Grade 2 Vegito vs Golden Freeza

[Khin]

Hypothetical Super Saiyan Grade 2 Vegito vs Golden Freeza

Freeza reverts back to his Final Form and incinerates even SSj3 Vegetto in a matter of seconds.

[DanielSSJ]

Shasami during his fight with Piccolo in ROF vs.. (In no real order):


Final Form Coola
Super 13
Semi Perfect Cell
Bio Broli
Hatchiyack
LSSj Movie 10 Broli
Super Perfect Cell
Majin Vegeta
Fat Buu
Aka
Janemba
Kid Buu
Beerus

Supet Shisami fails to beat anyone on the list. Movie Shisami hits a wall at Hatchiyack.

Hypothetical Golden Cell vs Beerus

Assuming Cell achieved the form through training, he'd be much stronger than Beerus or even Whis.

Hypothetical Super Saiyan Grade 2 Vegito vs Golden Freeza

Golden Freeza is way stronger than any form of Vegetto. If it were True Form Freeza, it'd be a vastly different story, but as it is, Vegetto stands no chance.

[apex_pretador]

Shasami during his fight with Piccolo in ROF vs.. (In no real order):


Final Form Coola
Super 13
Semi Perfect Cell
Bio Broli
Hatchiyack
LSSj Movie 10 Broli
Super Perfect Cell
Majin Vegeta
Fat Buu
Aka
Janemba
Kid Buu
Beerus

Shisami stops at hatchiyak, M 10 broly is the brick wall.

Hypothetical Golden Cell vs Beerus

beerus finger flicks. Golden cell will be around fat buu level (He doesn't have same potential as freeza)

Hypothetical Super Saiyan Grade 2 Vegito vs Golden Freeza

SSB goku was not much weaker than golden freeza. SS vegetto (buu arc) was well over multipler times SS3 goku , and SSB is essentially a SS form. So, depending upon the SSB multiplier, I think vegetto may be just able to pull it off. A FPSS vegetto has better chance IMO. I think it will be more clear in the next episode, where the regular SS stands in comparison to SSB.

[Noah]

- Don't know what supressed SS Gohan is supposed to be.

"The Golden Warrior" as rumours spread in Orange High School.

Hypothetical Golden Cell vs Beerus

beerus finger flicks. Golden cell will be around fat buu level (He doesn't have same potential as freeza)

What you make you assume that? Cell has the same Freeza "prodigy" genes.

[Analytic]

- Don't know what supressed SS Gohan is supposed to be.

"The Golden Warrior" as rumours spread in Orange High School.

The one who suppressed down so low that he couldn't kill ordinary humans in a single hit?

[Kaboom]

SSJ2 Adult Gohan vs. SSJ Buu saga Goku?

While Gohan's no doubt lost some power (at least in SS2) while Goku's gained a substantial amount... I don't think it's to the point where the latter can beat the former without also using Super Saiyan 2. There's still a big power difference that Goku's advantage in skill probably can't make up for.

- Base Goku (ROF Arc) vs. Super Saiyan God Goku
- SSj Vegeta (Pre Majin) vs. Dabra
- Vegeta (vs.Recoome) and Monster Zarbon vs. Recoome
- Ginyu, Jheese, Burta, Recoome, and Gurd vs. Kaioken Goku (Against Ginyu)
- Piccolo (Trunks's Arrival) vs. Third Form Freeza (Namek)
- Hypothetical SSj3 Gogeta (Boo Arc) vs. Ultimate Gohan
- Hypothetical SSj3 Vegetto (Boo Arc) vs. Hypothetical Ultimate Gokhan (Boo Arc)
- Android 19 (Post Absorption) vs. Dr.Gero (Post Absorption)
- Android 18 vs. Piccolo (Merged with Kami)
- Super Android 13,Android 16,17,18,19 and Dr.Gero vs. Semi Perfect Cell

— With how big a difference there was between true-form Freeza and his Golden form, it seems there's a substantial difference between Goku's "beyond god" base and his SSGSS too. So since he still can't beat Beerus, his power in the latter form is probably not all that much greater than it was as a red-haired god before. So... the transformed Goku wins this.
— Gohan could have beaten Dabra if his skills weren't so unpolished, so I have no doubt Vegeta could win too.
— Vegeta and Zarbon's chances together against Recoome are better than one-on-one, but the odds are still against them. It'd be a long and arduous attempt to wear him down.
— A clever strategy using Gurd's abilities is their only slim chance. But they only get one shot at it, and if they waste it, Goku will immediately know who to deal with first.
— Gonna say Piccolo. I have a hunch he had probably already improved substantially and could have gone mano-a-mano with initial true-form Freeza like Goku did.
— Gogeta only needs regular Super Saiyan 1 to win this with minimal difficulty. Anything higher makes it overkill.
— Super Vegetto was already touted as "definitely strongest," so odds are he'd already be a match for a hypothetical Kuhan with just that. Even if not, I'm sure SS2 or SS3 would let him get the job done.
— Dr. Gero started out stronger than 19 before any absorptions, and I'd bet he ended up stronger after them too.
— Piccolo was already a close match for 17, and 18's the weaker of the two. We don't know exactly by how much, but I'm thinking it's enough of a difference that it essentially guarantees victory for Piccolo instead of it being a toss-up like with 17.
Cell's a good chunk stronger than any of them, but I suspect they may be able to wear him down. I'll say it's 50/50.

Gohan (RRA arc , ALIVE body) vs Tao Pai Pai (RRA arc , no bomb)
M13 goku SS3 vs buutenks
M13 SS3 goku (w dragon fist) vs GT SS shirtless goku
Android 13 vs future android 18

— If Grandpa Gohan was strong enough to tango with Goku at that point, then I'm betting he could trounce Tao Pai Pai too.
— A mere year or two isn't going to let Goku get over 5 times stronger and let him be a match for an absorbed form of Boo. He loses.
— Normal Logic: SS3 Goku's got a considerable power edge and wins. GT Logic: Shirtless base kid GT Goku eradicates his opponent just by looking at him.
— The strength of the Movie 7 Androids is a bit uncertain, but the Super Saiyans were at least able to beat them, whereas I suspect Future 18 would be more even with them. So I'll give this to 18.

A different kind of versus in Dragon Ball Heroes:
The chances of Raditz becoming Super Saiyan vs. The chances of Nappa becoming Super Saiyan vs. The chances of Tarble becoming Super Saiyan vs. The chances of Tullece becoming Super Saiyan vs. The chances of Pan becoming Super Saiyan.
Who has the best chance?

In-universe, Pan has the best natural potential while Tullece would eventually force his way up there with repeated snacks. In terms of real-world potential within the games, specifically Heroes... Everyone has an equal chance except Pan, who's doomed to forever stick with black hair. I hope I'm wrong though.

Piccolo (Champa) versus the following fighters:

He may be able to beat Tagoma now, but that's it.

Krillin (Pre-Roshi training) vs. Spopovich

I'm going to say Spopovich wins. Kuririn wasn't "superhuman" until at least after Muten Roshi's training, whereas Spopovich was more or less forced into the superhuman range by Bobbidi's magic. Even if Kuririn had a raw physical strength advantage, Spopovich has that freaky zombie-like durability and would just keep getting back up.

Pui Pui runs the gaunlet. (Note : He gets healed after each match)

I like to give Pui-Pui some due credit as one of the "universe's strongest warriors," and so I usually consider him to be somewhere between 1st- and 2nd-form Freeza in power. So that's how far he gets — he backs 1st-form Freeza into a corner, but then Freeza transforms and quickly turns the tables.

100% Full Power Beerus runs the gaunlet: (Note: Survival battles, no healing)

I think Freeza would be the first person to genuinely give him a tough fight at 100%, and it would tire him out considerably. So if one of the blue-haired Saiyans doesn't take him down after that, then Monaka definitely will.

SSJ3 Goku at the start of Super vs Mystic Gohan in the Buu saga

Considering Goku's still weaker than Freeza in his base form, then he's only moderately stronger than his Boo-arc self at best and still far weaker overall than Gohan. So putting aside his "general incompetence" character flaw, Gohan wins easily.

Battle of the Buus! Buutenks and Buuhan vs Fat Buu, Super Buu, Gray Buu, Mr.Buu and Kid Buu. All blood lusted, No candy beam or absorption.

The team of less-powerful Boos' only hope is that Evil Boo absorbing all the others ends up having some exceptional cumulative effect beyond just simple addition (which, knowing Boo's absorption track record, it just might). Otherwise, Gotenks- and Gohan-absorbed Boo have them pretty darn well outmatched in both raw power and skill/ability.

What if I switched Buutenks over to the other team so that it was Buuhan vs every other form of Buu?

In that case the tides are definitely turned. The difference between Gotenks- and Gohan-Boo is minimal, and since we know that Boos can lose power when fighting another Boo, then the team is able to wear him down quite a bit before Gotenks-Boo's Fusion time runs out. Gohan-Boo is then weakened enough to be finished off.

Trunks [Super Saiyan] vs Piccolo. Both RoF arc.

I think Piccolo and the kids were on roughly the same level in the Boo arc, but he's no doubt kept training much more than they have. Plus like others have said, Pic's considered a worthwhile teammate for the tournament with U7 while the kids aren't without Fusion. I'm thinking this is an easy win for Big Green.

Pikkon vs Transformed Cooler

Paikuhan was, one way or another, able to quickly take down Super Perfect Cell. Beating down Coola is nothing for him.

1. LSS M10 broly vs SS2 goku (CG) and SPC
2. Bojack , dabura (no spit) , LSS broly (M8) , Hatchiyak , Kid SS gohan , Buu arc SS goku , Perfect cell , Android 16 , Buu arc piccolo VS Majin SS2 Vegeta
3. Kami vs Popo , Daimao , kid goku (god water) , 23rd TB Tien (No kikoho)
4. Buuhan vs Super buu [SS3 goku , Majin vegeta , Piccolo , SS2 kid gohan , Kibitoshin , M10 LSS broly , SPC] ABSORBED
5. BUU (Gohan , gotenks , Janemba , Hirdugarn) Absorbed VS SS Vegetto

1. If this were Boo-arc SS2 Goku, then he and Cell could take Broli down if they worked together well enough. But with this weaker Goku they probably don't have the raw power required.
2. Vegeta's got a big power advantage over all of these guys, but their sheer numbers let them wear him down eventually. A few of them probably don't survive the encounter.
3. Same deal... Kami could take down any one of them, or probably even two at once. But their numbers prevail here.
4. Absorbing all these guys gives Evil Boo a definite advantage in skill and gets him kinda close in power to Gohan-Boo... but probably not close enough.
5. All those absorptions actually add up quite quickly and make Boo on-par with or possibly even a little stronger than Vegetto, who may now be in trouble if he doesn't use Super Saiyan 2.

6. Buu arc kids run the gauntlet
Scenario 1 : POST ROSAT TRUNKS
Scenario 2 : PRE ROSAT GOTEN & TRUNKS
Scenario 3 : BASE GOTENKS (PRE)

— Scenario 1: The kids didn't improve all that much in the RoSaT compared to Gotenks, and are still on roughly the same level as before. Trunks only possibly manages to beat a Cell Junior and that's it.
— Building on the above, the two kids together are able to take down the Cell Junior without a whole lot of trouble, but can't beat a seriously-fighting Gohan. He's got too much of an edge in both power and skill.
— Regular base Gotenks doesn't amount to much. In my book before his RoSaT training he's about as strong as Freeza or Super Saiyan Goku on Namek, and can't beat anyone on the list.

Frost in his Final Form vs. (In no real order):

For the time being, I'm assuming that Frost is on Perfect Cell's level at best, seeing how Piccolo was a match for him and Super Saiyan Vegeta beat him easily. So Metal Coola and Dabra are the only people on the list he can beat. Unless they fall victim to his debilitating poison, everyone else completely schools him.

Tagoma (Post training in ROF arc) runs a gauntlet. How far does he go before he hits a brick wall:

Being conservative about it, Tagoma only has to be on a Super Saiyan 2 level (though maybe in its upper tiers) to do what he did in Super, and if that's the case then he can only MAYBE beat Fat Boo. He may be stronger than that based on some interpretations of how Gohan's power works now, which I find very reasonable... but no way Tagoma's up there on the higher Boo, SS3, and Vegetto levels.

Katatz's child/Nameless Namekian/Kamiccolo or whatever you call him before they split runs the gaunlet

Doesn't beat anyone. The implication seems to me that his potential for growth was stunted by his split, and we don't really have reason to believe he was extraordinarily strong by the time it happened. If this were a hypothetical "if he never split and kept getting stronger" situation then things might be different. But even then, prodigy or not, he's still a dragon-type instead of a warrior-type, and I sincerely doubt he'd get strong enough to make it very far on this list on his own.

Cyborg tao vs drum
Cyborg tao , Drum , BoZ Yamcha team VS Young daimao (MANGA daimao, not daizenshuu daimao)
Karin vs 22nd TB krillin
Goku, vegeta, trunks VS gohan & piccolo (all CG, no SS2)
M Spopovich vs BoDB goku & yamcha
M vegeta & Kid gohan vs fat buu (POST split)

— Hard to tell. My gut says Drum though.
— Yet again, my gut simply says King Piccolo can pick them apart.
— Gonna say Karin. Going by the official numbers, Kuririn had only surpassed him by a moderate amount at the start of Z. Back at the 22nd WT, he probably wouldn't be any match.
— As long as Trunks can hold off Piccolo long enough without screwing up, then Goku with Vegeta as backup can manage to wear down Gohan. The power difference isn't massive and Goku's definitely more skilled and battle-minded.
— Definitely Spopovich. He'd been rocketed ahead to a super-human level of ki power by Bobbidi's magic, which also granted him that bizarre zombie-like resiliency. Kid Goku's raw physical strength isn't quite enough to make up for that, and Yamcha wouldn't make any difference.
— If Boo's truly lost over half his power and stayed that way, then the Super Saiyan 2 duo definitely take this. It's kind of a shame nobody on their level was around to deal with the two separate weaker Boos during those five minutes or so.

Piccolo (U6 arc) vs Raging Vegeta
Super Kaioken goku (CG) vs SS gohan
Super Kaioken goku (CG) vs FP PC
Android 17 & 18 fusion (no time limit) vs SS Majin Vegeta

— Vegeta's anger shot him beyond SS3 Goku in power, presumably. Piccolo meanwhile has maybe pushed himself into the Super Saiyan 2 range of power. The few short moments his rage burst lasts is more than Vegeta needs to win.
— Gohan's stronger than Goku, but not even close to 2x stronger. Goku can easily rough up his wimpy son with a few quick bursts of the Super Kaio-Ken.
— This is a different story. The Super Kaio-Ken makes Goku stronger than this Cell, but only by a little bit. Not enough to do crippling damage when limited to short and tiring bursts. The damage Goku deals is only superficial, and he's left an exhausted and easy target for Cell.
— If we're talking Potara Fusion (which is probably the only possible or worthwhile way for this Fusion to happen in the first place), then the Android twins can probably win. I get the feeling they're too far behind the SS2s for the Fusion Dance to do it, though.

Bora vs Mummy-kun.
Piccolo [Cell games] vs Perfect Cell [vs SSJG2 Vegeta and SSJG3 Trunks].
Shisami vs Zarbon [No monster form] and Dodoria.

— Not really sure, but by gut says Bora's not up to the task.
— Piccolo's right around as strong as "Super Vegeta" was, so he's probably not gonna fare much better. He can hold his own for a while like he did against his Cell Junior though.
— Hard to tell. He and Tagoma were both said to be around Zarbon and Dodoria's level, but nothing more specific than that. We don't know how they compare more specifically.

Shisami vs. Dr. Uiro?

Before his possible/probable training in Resurrection F, Shisami gets wrecked. Dr. Uiro's power actually grew considerably during the movie and he probably capped out almost as strong as the Ginyu Force trio.

SSJ Bardock vs Nail

Bardock from the TV special gets shot all the way up to 1st-form Freeza's level, and Nail is easy pickings. Even the weaker Bardock from Minus (who I think is about half as strong) isn't even close to being challenged by Nail.

Piccolo (U6/Champa arc) runs a Gauntlet, how far does he go?

Yet again... he doesn't come close to beating any of these guys. He's just starting to break into the Super Saiyan 2 level at best.

Raditz vs Yamcha (Saiyan arc, no jobbing)
Piccolo, Goku & Tien (BoZ) vs Saibaman
Free for all equal power level. KRILLIN vs PICCOLO vs GOKU vs VEGETA

— They're practically equal in power (1,480 vs 1,500), and as an Earthling fighter Yamcha's much more skilled and has abilities like ki-sensing and attack amplification at his disposal. Putting aside his crippling Yamcha-ness, he's gonna win.
— A Saibaiman isn't quite as powerful, durable, or skilled as Raditz was. The three of them together with their strongest techniques, especially the Kikoho, will probably be able to win.
— I'm going to give this one to Piccolo. He's no less skilled than Goku or Vegeta, and his extra freaky Namekian abilities will give him the tactical edge.

Super Saiyan Grade 2 Goten vs Imperfect Cell (After Gingertown)

Unless he gets careless and sloppy and ends up getting absorbed... Goten doesn't need anything other than regular Super Saiyan to win this. Even Cell's 2nd form would barely make him break a sweat.

I just have been thinking through some hypothetical scenarios and was wondering who you all think would win in a fight SSGod Goku or SS3 Vegetto? The SSGod limit does not expire, but the energy-draining of the SS3 form apply!

Any ideas on how their powers compare his pure speculation. Goku did say Fusion probably wouldn't be enough, but that's a pretty vague blanket statement with a lot of variables. He could surely tell Beerus was holding back against him but couldn't know how much, he didn't specify which type of Fusion, and why assume something hypothetical like SS3 for Vegetto would even be possible without training first or something? We don't know enough to definitively say "SS3 Vegetto < Beerus, fact" or anything.

But keeping all that in mind... My gut says that the combination of Potara Fusion and Super Saiyan 3 is just so incredibly potent and broken that Vegetto here would be more powerful than God-Goku. But not by so much that Goku can't hold his own long enough to outlast Super Saiyan 3. When that happens, Vegetto becomes easy pickings.

Ultimate Gohan vs Final Form Freeza.
Piccolo [RoF arc] vs East Kaioshin.
Sorbet [No ring] vs Gine.

— I'll assume you mean Freeza after his training in RF and Super. I'm on board with the "Gohan's still quasi-ultimate and going Super Saiyan lets him tap into more of his ultimate power" angle for the new movies and Super. His weakened Super Saiyan self in RF wasn't enough to face Freeza, but his freshly-empowered self from the Boo arc might be. Freeza winning is more likely, though.
— If Piccolo's been training steadily since the Majin Boo arc, then he's probably a match for Kaioshin by now.
— Gine's only issue in combat was said to be her personality, not her power, which I'll assume is average for a Saiyan. Buuut it's kind of moot since we don't know how strong Sorbet is.

- SSJ Goku (Boo Arc) x Full Power Bojack
- Suppressed SSJ Gohan (Boo Arc) x Coola Armored Squad & Final Form Coola
- Base Vegeta (Android Arc) x Giant Slug
- Base Mirai Trunks (Android Arc) x Tullece (after have eaten 10 fruits of the Tree Of Might)
- Super Android 13 x Bujin & Zangya

— Bojack's about as strong as full-power Cell, and Goku doesn't quiiite measure up to that yet with just SS1. But he has a shot if he pulls off a potent enough Warp Kamehameha or something, which unlike Cell, Bojack won't be able to regenerate from.
— How suppressed are we talking about? Gohan would have to willingly restrict himself down to like 5% of his full Super Saiyan power to make these guys a challenge for him.
— Slug's on-par with 2nd-form Freeza in my book, who is considerably weaker than Vegeta by this point.
— Well, if we assume the boost Tullece gained from that first fruit (about 20k to about 500k, let's say) would be consistent and just keep adding up... then he ends up with a PL of almost 5 million, which by my made-up numbers is actually a decent chunk stronger than this Trunks. So Tullece probably wins.
— Bojack's two cronies here are considerably stronger than any of the Androids. They have fun literally tearing Super 13 apart.

SSJ Goten (Post training in Time Chamber) runs the gauntlet.

Goten and Trunks didn't seem to individually improve much compared to Gotenks, so he's still on the same rough level as before. Goten gets as far as Grade 3 Future Trunks in this list, whom he only maybe beats by outmaneuvering. Even if he wins, he's just plain no match for Goku after that.

Shisami during his fight with Piccolo in ROF vs.. (In no real order):

I think Piccolo was having a little trouble because he was tired, but could have beaten Shisami if the fight continued. That said, with Piccolo being in the middle range of Perfect Cell's power by now... the strongest person here that Shisami can beat is Bio-Broli. It's a big jump up from that to Hachiyack.

Hypothetical Super Saiyan Grade 2 Vegito vs Golden Freeza

My gut tells me that Vegetto would need at least a full-fledged Super Saiyan 2 to have a chance here, or Super Saiyan 3 to guarantee a win.

- Don't know what supressed SS Gohan is supposed to be.

"The Golden Warrior" as rumours spread in Orange High School.

Oh geez, that low? He's using practically nothing there, holding back enough that he KO's normal Earthlings without even seriously injuring them. If he's stuck at that level of power, he stands no chance against Coola and the Armored Squad.

[apex_pretador]

Hypothetical Golden Cell vs Beerus

beerus finger flicks. Golden cell will be around fat buu level (He doesn't have same potential as freeza)

What you make you assume that? Cell has the same Freeza "prodigy" genes.

cell didn't have the same "battle smarts" gene of goku or "intelligence" gene from piccolo, or even the "cold hearted / kill instantly" gene from freeza himself.

Also, cell had the genes of "mecha freeza", the worst version of freeza , who believed that some mechanical implants can make the strongest being in the universe even stronger lolol

[Bansho64]

Piccolo (Buu Saga) vs Zangya

[apex_pretador]

Piccolo (Buu Saga) vs Zangya

piccolo one-shots.
Buu arc piccolo is a beast IMO, and close to CG goku.

[DanielSSJ]

cell didn't have the same "battle smarts" gene of goku or "intelligence" gene from piccolo, or even the "cold hearted / kill instantly" gene from freeza himself.

Also, cell had the genes of "mecha freeza", the worst version of freeza , who believed that some mechanical implants can make the strongest being in the universe even stronger lolol

He did have all of those traits you listed and more. Besides, getting cybernetic enhancements doesn't change your DNA. And Cyborg Freeza WAS stronger than regular Freeza.

[apex_pretador]

And Cyborg Freeza WAS stronger than regular Freeza.

gohan seems to think otherwise.
battle with truunks & goku also seems to indicate otherwise. Unless the mechanical enhancements impaired his brain, I can't see him being stronger.

Even logically, it doesn't make any sense for the strongest in the universe , who can one-shot planets, to get stronger by just some metallic parts.


Anyways, new fights: (no zenkai, no self destruct , planet indestructible)

- BoJack , M 8 broly , M 10 broly , Perfect Cell , Super 13 , Yakon , Pui Pui vs SS goku , SS2 adult gohan , Piccolo , Majin vegeta (all buu arc) , Tien , Krillin , #16 (Cell Games)

- Kid krillin, Kid goku , Kid yamcha (BoDB) VS Ninja mursaki

- Raditz & Yamcha (both pre death, no jobbing) VS 4 saibamen

- Krillin (saiyan arc) vs Raditz & Yamcha

- Tien (23rd TB) vs BoZ krillin & Yamcha & Yajirobe

- Popo vs 23rd TB Tien , FP Daimao , FP kid goku (god water)

[Pocket-God]

Anyways, new fights: (no zenkai, no self destruct , planet indestructible)

- BoJack , M 8 broly , M 10 broly , Perfect Cell , Super 13 , Yakon , Pui Pui vs SS goku , SS2 adult gohan , Piccolo , Majin vegeta (all buu arc) , Tien , Krillin , #16 (Cell Games)

- Kid krillin, Kid goku , Kid yamcha (BoDB) VS Ninja mursaki

- Raditz & Yamcha (both pre death, no jobbing) VS 4 saibamen

- Krillin (saiyan arc) vs Raditz & Yamcha

- Tien (23rd TB) vs BoZ krillin & Yamcha & Yajirobe

- Popo vs 23rd TB Tien , FP Daimao , FP kid goku (god water)

This is basically Broly vs Gohan, Broly already stomped Gohan so yeah....he wrecks everyone pretty easily.



I'm gonna say Raditz and Yamcha take this easily, both of them are stronger than Saibamen and aren't just brainless monster plant things you know what...I think either of them could probably solo.

Again I think either one of the team could solo.

Tien most likely....can't be 100% sure though so maybe 6/4 in Tien's favor.

Popo stomps!