DanielSSJ wrote:
Based on the wording, and how Freeza isn't buff as hell, it's clear that he isn't at full power yet.
ok
Freeza being an idiot is up for debate
Namek freeza is probably one of the smartest villains in the series.
(seeing how he makes a lot of the same mistakes in Resurrection F that he did on Namek.
In ressurection F, you are forgetting that not including BoG events, no one would have been able to stand up to him. It was sheer luck of Z fighters that beerus happened to dream of SSG.
Even in his first form, he'd have handled everyone but the top tiers, who he could finger flick in final form.
He FAR surpassed the super saiyans who defeated his 100% power IN FIRST FORM. In final form, he'd have defeated the strongest character to appear in manga.
Hell, the fact that he thinks killing Goku's friends before he arrives is a good idea, despite the fact that such a thing lead to Goku becoming a Super Saiyan in the first place, says a lot about his intelligence.),
see above.
Goku could've been a thousand times stronger than namek, and still fall to freeza, and that's not even including his golden form, which was way, way more powerful
but what isn't debatable is that Freeza is extremely arrogent and occasionally in denial. He irrationally attacks Trunks as soon as the later goes Super Saiyan without bothering to power up. And we know he isn't at full power yet, because of his slim appearance and the fact that it takes some time for him to reach 100%, even in the manga's version of events.
Trunks flat-out told him that he's not soft like goku and he's also a super saiyan like goku.
Freeza thought that super saiyan was done with a casual blast. So, Mecha freeza was wrong. If he could think that a casual blast was enough to deal with super saiyan, then why couldn't he think that he became stronger?
Mecha freeza thinks that he's so powerful that he destroyed super saiyan with a casual blast, that's what he thought of him becoming powerful. He thought that AT HIS CURRENT LEVEL, a casual blast from him was superior to super saiyan. So by freeza's statements, suppressed mecha freeza > SS goku > 100% freeza (namek)??
The wording is vague enough that Gohan could be refering to the general feel of the ki, rather than the actual quantity.
But if quantity is different, he would've not said it is "exactly the same ki". So, trunks is either equal to, or very, very close to namek goku. The gap (if any) isn't noticeable. Exactly same means that the quantity, the feeling, the type, the lack of evilness, all are same. Neither does gohan say that trunks was more powerful than goku on namek was.
Another thing is, gohan says that goku (pre death ~= Yadrat goku) was on an entirely different level above him. Trunks was "about" as strong as gohan.
The bottom line is, Freeza makes a statement about his power being greater than before and it goes completely unconstested and uncontradicted. If the statement is false, why bother including it if you aren't going to contradict it?
Freeza made a statement about thinking that a casual blast done the job. He didn't power-up. An equal of namek goku, who fought on par with his 100% (which was HEAVILY injured) at namek ,
one-shotted him. I don't see how it isn't contradiction.
Also, you still haven't explained how Freeza's DNA was changed after being turned into a cyborg, or how it would, in turn, affect Cell's potential.
oh man, that was not intended to be serious. Freeza's DNA wasn't effected, that was supposed to be a joke because mecha freeza is ridiculous, a joke on freeza's character & I don't like him.
analytic wrote:He didn't power up because he didn't think he'd need to. He thought that Trunks was some random weak earthling.
He fired the blast AFTER seeing trunks is super saiyan like goku and also knows goku.See the look on his face before that:
Bansho64 wrote:Future 18 vs Mecha Freeza
Future 18 > Future 18 (holding back) > Future trunks (post training) > Future trunks (trunks arc) who can one-shot mecha freeza.
SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:Noah wrote:Does anybody has a consesus about Gogeta's power? I mean people says that he's not too different from Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan is one step ahead of the former, so what exactly is?
Implication put Goten and Trunks close in power to the adults.If SSj Gotenks was about 8x weaker than Evil Boo,then SSj Gogeta should be too.SSj3 Gogeta is only around Ulimate Gohan tier in my opinion.
If SS gotenks was 8x weaker than buu, he wouldn't be able to do what he did. His performance is too good to be 8x weaker.
