commenting on Dragon Ball's global success, Toriyama admitted, "Frankly, I don't quite understand why it happened. While the manga was being serialized, the only thing I wanted as I kept drawing was to make Japanese boys happy."Speaking of his manga in general, he said, "The role of my manga is to be a work of entertainment through and through. I dare say I don't care even if [my works] have left nothing behind, as long as they have entertained their readers."
soppa saia people wrote:
There's a different between criticism (ie Gaffer's DB dissection) and looking to far into something. Do you really kids care about retcons ?
I'm not looking to far into anything. Someone made the claim that Dragon ball was well written when I said that it never had the greatest story. I merely corrected them on that.
There's a difference between criticism & looking too far into something? What you're saying makes no sense.
Dragon Ball has more to it than just fighting. I still think having amazing fight scenes with a bad story won't be enough since GT and most of the older DBZ films had decent animation but with good fights. Not to mention having a simple plot is not a bad thing. I mean Die Hard is a simple action movie and people call it a masterpiece. It just about a cop tries to save his wife and several others that were taken hostage by German terrorist on Christmas day and that's it. Same with Fury Road which has a simple and straightforward plot, but everyone loves it.
Sometimes I forget just how decent to good GT can get from fights, and the occasional bad here and there. Those were sweet. If only Super could have more of that, and less of being shit.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
I'd cite Goku vs Nuova & Eise as another good GT fight. While the actual choreography might not be great, in a fairly short amount of time it gets you really invested in both Shadow Dragons with Nuova a more honorable guy you want to see stick around and Eise a great scumbag you want to see die in spectacular fashion (which he does). I certainly gave more of a fuck about that fight than anything from Super or hell, most of the post Namek fights in Z.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
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Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
Man, it still frustrates me how much Toei jacked up the ending of that Gohan/Goten vs Vegeta fight. The whole possessed brotherly-red-and-blue-double-team-titty-twister was such a corny conclusion. It sort of epitomises GT for me - all of the great moments are always rounded out to really underwhelming conclusions.
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coola wrote:After i've read this interview, I'm honestly mortified with how bad Toei treat DB series, they produce way too many series, soon we will have Sailor Moon Crystal Season 3 as well, and their director even have nerve to tell people, that we dare to complain, at this point, i really would prefer some other studio to pick up Super, like Madhouse http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature ... all/.99269
Madhouse would be nice. What they've done with One Punch Man is really amazing and memorable. What Toei has done with Dragon Ball so far is really ugh. But to be practical, nothing will really change, unfortunately... :/
I would take Tatsunoko for Dragon Ball if Toei did lose the rights for Dragon Ball. Mad House is great, but I'm not sure if they can capture the feel of Dragon Ball. Dragon Ball should have a colorful feel to it and still feel like a show for kids. Toei makes colorful looking shows which is why they are pick for Dragon Ball. They rarely make anime for adults expect for 3x3 Eyes, Psychic Wars and Crying Freeman and while MadHouse does shows for teens & adults expect for Stitch. Tatsunoko to me could pull off the feel of Dragon Ball. I still want Dragon Ball to feel and look like Dragon Ball.
soppa saia people wrote:
There's a different between criticism (ie Gaffer's DB dissection) and looking to far into something. Do you really kids care about retcons ?
I'm not looking to far into anything. Someone made the claim that Dragon ball was well written when I said that it never had the greatest story. I merely corrected them on that.
There's a difference between criticism & looking too far into something? What you're saying makes no sense.
(Damn late response on my part). I see your point, but I respectful disagree. You can criticize something and at the same time not looking to far into it. (Especially for a stupid kids show. BTW I most likely won't response as I don't really care.)
Hellspawn28 wrote:I would take Tatsunoko for Dragon Ball if Toei did lose the rights for Dragon Ball. Mad House is great, but I'm not sure if they can capture the feel of Dragon Ball. Dragon Ball should have a colorful feel to it and still feel like a show for kids. Toei makes colorful looking shows which is why they are pick for Dragon Ball. They rarely make anime for adults expect for 3x3 Eyes, Psychic Wars and Crying Freeman and while MadHouse does shows for teens & adults expect for Stitch. Tatsunoko to me could pull off the feel of Dragon Ball. I still want Dragon Ball to feel and look like Dragon Ball.
Tatsunoko, huh? Hmm.... that's not my strong suit at all, lol. What anime do they produce?
Hellspawn28 wrote:I would take Tatsunoko for Dragon Ball if Toei did lose the rights for Dragon Ball. Mad House is great, but I'm not sure if they can capture the feel of Dragon Ball. Dragon Ball should have a colorful feel to it and still feel like a show for kids. Toei makes colorful looking shows which is why they are pick for Dragon Ball. They rarely make anime for adults expect for 3x3 Eyes, Psychic Wars and Crying Freeman and while MadHouse does shows for teens & adults expect for Stitch. Tatsunoko to me could pull off the feel of Dragon Ball. I still want Dragon Ball to feel and look like Dragon Ball.
Tatsunoko, huh? Hmm.... that's not my strong suit at all, lol. What anime do they produce?
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