Does anyone wish Trunk's backstory retcon?

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Does anyone wish Trunk's backstory retcon?

Post by Captain Strawberry » Thu Mar 24, 2016 3:38 pm

Like so many plotholes... the dragon balls, Gohan... lots of things.
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Post by Dbzfan94 » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:11 pm

What plotholes are in Future Trunks' back story? I can't find anything wrong with it

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Post by sintzu » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:14 pm

It's the best backstory in the entire franchise so no.

What are the plot holes and what's wrong with Gohan ?
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Post by Captain Strawberry » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:15 pm

sintzu wrote:It's the best backstory in the entire franchise so no.

What are the plot holes and what's wrong with Gohan ?
Like Gohan had so many years of training and should have training. Why did Mr Popo never come down to Trunks to tell him about the room. Why didn't they use the Namekseijin dragon balls?
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Post by sintzu » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:20 pm

Captain Strawberry wrote:
Like Gohan had so many years of training and should have training.

Why did Mr Popo never come down to Trunks to tell him about the room.

Why didn't they use the Namekseijin dragon balls?
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The same reason why he didn't tell anyone about it during the Saiyans' attack.

They didn't know where new Namek was at the time cause Goku wasn't around to go to King Kai and ask for directions.
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Post by Hitiro » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:47 pm

Captain Strawberry wrote:Why did Mr Popo never come down to Trunks to tell him about the room.
Why do you assume Popo is still alive? It's been many years since the Androids attacked everyone. They may have found the lookout during that time.

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Post by Captain Strawberry » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:54 pm

sintzu wrote:
Captain Strawberry wrote:
Like Gohan had so many years of training and should have training.

Why did Mr Popo never come down to Trunks to tell him about the room.

Why didn't they use the Namekseijin dragon balls?
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The same reason why he didn't tell anyone about it during the Saiyans' attack.

They didn't know where new Namek was at the time cause Goku wasn't around to go to King Kai and ask for directions.
Well, Bulma could have tried to find New Namek. Plus, Popo is most likely immortal.
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Post by Hitiro » Thu Mar 24, 2016 7:49 pm

Captain Strawberry wrote:Well, Bulma could have tried to find New Namek. Plus, Popo is most likely immortal.
Again, you're assuming the Androids didn't find the lookout and didn't kill him off. Trunks is from 20 years in the future. That's a long time for the Androids to be killing people.

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Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Thu Mar 24, 2016 8:42 pm

I'd say it's very likely that Popo is gone considering the senzu plant is gone. That tells me the Androids probably got to Karin during their rampage, so finding Popo would've been inevitable.
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Post by Hitiro » Thu Mar 24, 2016 9:12 pm

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:I'd say it's very likely that Popo is gone considering the senzu plant is gone. That tells me the Androids probably got to Karin during their rampage, so finding Popo would've been inevitable.
I would imagine Yajirobe would "spill the beans" on Popo's whereabouts.

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Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Thu Mar 24, 2016 10:49 pm

Lol. Speaking of Yaji, I like how #18 is shown blowing him and his air car up in that one filler episode and yet Chaozu's fate was never shown.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Thu Mar 24, 2016 10:53 pm

Captain Strawberry wrote: Well, Bulma could have tried to find New Namek. Plus, Popo is most likely immortal.
He is not since Buu killed him by eating him into candy. They most likely never went to New Namek in Trunks timeline since Bluma has no way on getting there. Not to mention it's possible that they don't want to be wish back. If they wanted to be wish back, they would have done it. Goku and the others probably choose to stay dead and let the Earth handle things on their own.
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Re: Does anyone wish Trunk's backstory retcon?

Post by Darkprince410 » Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:22 am

Captain Strawberry wrote:
sintzu wrote:It's the best backstory in the entire franchise so no.

What are the plot holes and what's wrong with Gohan ?
Like Gohan had so many years of training and should have training.
Where are you getting the idea he didn't train? He essentially obtained Super Saiya-jin all by himself, and later was outright stated to have trained in the interim year between the fight that he lost his arm in and the fight where he eventually died.

Just because he didn't make the large jumps in strength that his present timeline counterpart did doesn't mean he didn't train. Present timeline Gohan had considerably better options available to him for growing stronger and had the forewarning that the jinzou-ningen were going to attack. So he had three years of intense training with Piccolo and Super Saiya-jin Goku just to prepare himself for the jinzou-ningen arrival, plus the time he spent in the Room of Spirit and Time with his father prior to the Cell Games. Future Gohan had none of that, so he started out weaker, had no one to train with, and didn't have access to training environments suitable for increasing strength. It's only natural that he'd fall well short of his present timeline counterpart considerably.

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Post by emperior » Fri Mar 25, 2016 6:43 am

In the future the androids probably found Kami's Lookout and destroyed it killing Karin and Mr Popo in the process, so that's why they didn't have senzu beans.

It's also implied that Gohan probably couldn't train as much as he wanted because the androids could have spotted his location. So he basically had to train in silence and didn't have his father or Piccolo with him that's why he thought he was useless and that he had reached his limit.

And Goku had lots of troubles finding New Namek (and he was the one who had the idea to go there) so probably no one thought about it in the future, or even if they thought about it they had no way to find it, not to mention probably someone tried to escape from Earth with spaceship only to be killed by the androids.

Future Trunks' backstory is the best backstory in all of DBZ in my opinion and I love it. It needs no retcon and is fine as it is.
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Post by Captain Strawberry » Fri Mar 25, 2016 7:45 am

Darkprince410 wrote:
Captain Strawberry wrote:
sintzu wrote:It's the best backstory in the entire franchise so no.

What are the plot holes and what's wrong with Gohan ?
Like Gohan had so many years of training and should have training.
Where are you getting the idea he didn't train? He essentially obtained Super Saiya-jin all by himself, and later was outright stated to have trained in the interim year between the fight that he lost his arm in and the fight where he eventually died.

Just because he didn't make the large jumps in strength that his present timeline counterpart did doesn't mean he didn't train. Present timeline Gohan had considerably better options available to him for growing stronger and had the forewarning that the jinzou-ningen were going to attack. So he had three years of intense training with Piccolo and Super Saiya-jin Goku just to prepare himself for the jinzou-ningen arrival, plus the time he spent in the Room of Spirit and Time with his father prior to the Cell Games. Future Gohan had none of that, so he started out weaker, had no one to train with, and didn't have access to training environments suitable for increasing strength. It's only natural that he'd fall well short of his present timeline counterpart considerably.
over a decade is enough for Gohan to turn ssj2 and wipe out the androids.

emperior wrote:In the future the androids probably found Kami's Lookout and destroyed it killing Karin and Mr Popo in the process, so that's why they didn't have senzu beans.

It's also implied that Gohan probably couldn't train as much as he wanted because the androids could have spotted his location. So he basically had to train in silence and didn't have his father or Piccolo with him that's why he thought he was useless and that he had reached his limit.

And Goku had lots of troubles finding New Namek (and he was the one who had the idea to go there) so probably no one thought about it in the future, or even if they thought about it they had no way to find it, not to mention probably someone tried to escape from Earth with spaceship only to be killed by the androids.

Future Trunks' backstory is the best backstory in all of DBZ in my opinion and I love it. It needs no retcon and is fine as it is.
he could have went to other side of the world to train.
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Post by Captain Strawberry » Fri Mar 25, 2016 7:54 am

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Captain Strawberry wrote: Well, Bulma could have tried to find New Namek. Plus, Popo is most likely immortal.
He is not since Buu killed him by eating him into candy. They most likely never went to New Namek in Trunks timeline since Bluma has no way on getting there. Not to mention it's possible that they don't want to be wish back. If they wanted to be wish back, they would have done it. Goku and the others probably choose to stay dead and let the Earth handle things on their own.
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Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:06 pm

Bulma barely had enough material to create the time machine because of the Androids destruction. She probably didn't have enough to build a spaceship or a new radar.
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Post by omaro34 » Fri Mar 25, 2016 1:54 pm

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Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:I'd say it's very likely that Popo is gone considering the senzu plant is gone. That tells me the Androids probably got to Karin during their rampage, so finding Popo would've been inevitable.
I would imagine Yajirobe would "spill the beans" on Popo's whereabouts.
Speaking of Yajirobe, what on earth happened to him in Super? He hasn't appeared in a single episode thus far, he's not in the intro or the credits, and come to think of it they haven't shown Karin's tower either.

Anyway, there has been speculation for years on Popo's fate in the History of Trunks movie. He doesn't appear in the film, but I do think he is gone due to the senzu plant being gone. Also, it wouldn't make sense if he was alive and he did nothing. He shared a powerful bond with Kami, and he knew full well that there's another set of Dragonballs on New Namek. He also knows about King Kai, and he could have asked him telepathically where New Namek was since that was King Kai's expertise. After finding the location of New Namek, he would then have to somehow make his way there.

As for Trunks, it would be nice to see a mini film focusing on what he went through after the threat of Cell as the main protector of the planet.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Fri Mar 25, 2016 2:37 pm

I still think Goku and the others didn't want to get wish back in Trunks timeline. If they wanted to return then they would have done it and defeated #17 & #18.
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Post by buutenks » Fri Mar 25, 2016 3:12 pm

Gohan didnt obtain such a big powerup simply because goku wasnt there to train him and in turn to unlock it.

its basically how without whis vegeta couldnt have obtained ssgss or becoming stronger.

Whis even said, with the way vegeta is currently training he will never reach goku or beerus.

So basically gohan's way of training got him to where he is now but cant go beyond it. he needed a new way of training, but there was no one to show it to him. So he hit a wall.

As for the dragon balls. Bulma couldnt make a ship fast enough to reach new namek, plus she didnt knew where it was.

And mr popo is most likely dead.

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