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Post by JAPPO » Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:05 am

nathantheguitarist wrote:Omg... the sound is fuckin' amazing!

But the half-assed packaging and booklet, "Rebirth" feature, and widescreen still kill the set for me...

I'm going to support getting this in full screen, no matter how good it sounds, it was still mastered, and released very badly...

Either way about the packaging though, it doesn't matter when it will be done in full screen, but I'm just still stating, that it sucks anyways lol.
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Post by nathantheguitarist » Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:12 am

First, you don't buy a DVD for the packaging!

Secondly, throw the booklet away. It costs 20 cents to make probably.

And finally, don't watch the special features! No-one is forcing you!
Did I not just say that it doesn't matter?

It's the WIDESCREEN that takes a royal shit on this whole release; the other things are just little chunks of corn in the huge steaming pile of feces covering what could be the most amazing release ever.
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Post by KinoFourpaws » Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:14 am

Oh, wow! That's neat! The widescreen isn't as bad as I thought it was gonna be after all. I mean, I maybe noticed a couple of shots where it looked like they might have cropped off something important, but other than that it's fine overall.

And the music... hehehe... it seems to work perfectly with the dub voices. I don't actually get a sense of awkwardness because of the change from the dub BGM. It's nice. :3

The main appeals to me with this set were the visuals and the music anyway, so as long as both of those are okay, I'm good. I'm still unsure about the lack of special features, but other than that, I'm looking forward to getting my copy. Now if only I can make the time to watch it once I get it... @_@;

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Post by BrollysKin » Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:17 am

This guy on Amazon wrote an article on the Amazon website. Is it correct?

I can't believe what I am reading here. The people writing these reviews are the most uneducated fools I've ever seen. Everyone here complaining about the widescreen, that it's supposedly "ruining" the original format, doesn't know one damn thing about what they are talking about.

Pay attention, everyone who's reading this, please: Despite what you have read on here about DBZ being filmed originally in full screen, know that the people saying this haven't one clue on Earth what they are talking about.

The remastering, as it's CLEARLY explained on the DVD set, if any of these morons bothered to actually *watch* that featurette, was done from the ORIGINAL FILM PRINTS of DBZ. You see, DBZ, amazingly, was recorded not on video, or digitally like we would have now. It was recorded on FILM. The original aspect of film is *not* full screen. What you are seeing in this transfer is the *FULL* picture, not cropped, not changed, but presented *fully* in all of its original glory FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER. Film, whether they used 35mm or super 16mm prints, is only *able* to record in 1.85:1, or 1.66:1, respectively, aspect ratio, or WIDESCREEN. If it's super 16 (audio tracks removed on the negative in order to take full advantage of spreading the picture frame almost as wide as 35mm), which it seems to be given it's not *wide* widescreen but wider than your TV can naturally handle, then it's the later ratio. There is no, repeat *no* format of film that records in full screen. None. Even 8mm is more than the original 1.37:1 Academy standard of movies before the 50's. Your normal TV is 1.33:1 and all film is cropped to be broadcast on it, or undergoes "pan and scan" or finally, is presented in its full proportions with the missing black bars on top and bottom because the image has to be shrunk on the TV in order for it to fit. An HD widescreen TV will have no problem showing the full image, without much shrinkage, depending on the aspect ratio. From the aspect ratios I've mentioned, you only get more wide but never less.

I can't gather my brain around the fact that not only are people writing these reviews not knowing this basic fact, not paying attention to the fact that its explained right there on their DVD set in that featurette for them, and having the nerve to write this up for a 1 star based solely on the fact they think, quite stupidly, that this series was *cropped* to *make* it wisescreen... It's literally unbelievable. This series shouldn't suffer bad reviews from total fools like this, imo.

Ok, now onto the review of this great new transfer. It's absolutely amazing. Not only have they restored the video and enhanced the original mono audio as best they could in 5.1 surround, but they've also reworked the translation a bit, added previously cut entire episodes, and the end result is that the story is much more engaging and concise. It feels like it should have from the start. The violence isn't dumbed down. The language isn't either, and the whole flow is much more geared to an adult storyline this series was intended for. The power and emotion of the English voice talent is top on their game in this as well. I hope that they've reworked some of their original dialogue for the Frieza sagas as well to match this, and beyond.

If you've always loved this series, truly, this is the best of that series, imo. It's the most visceral, most powerful storyline from start to finish in the entire Dragonball or Dragonball Z span. When it comes down Nappa picking apart and killing, after torturing, each fighter one by one, or later to Vegeta and Goku going at it, and neither will give up, both are pushing to their absolute breaking point, the entire planet might be destroyed by it, and then some true pain starts getting dished out on *everyone,* if you liked seeing this before, you will definitely feel the intensity has risen ten fold. It should be noted also for purists that the original Japanese dialogue and mono sound is also available, along with the original stereo English TV broadcast with the new music and sound effects added. So, no matter which way you'd want to hear DBZ, in what translation, it's there. And, once more, for the final time: this is presented COMPLETELY UNCUT IN ITS ORIGINAL VISUAL FORMAT and there is nothing taken away, cropped, or fudged to make this widescreen, beautifully remasted version look the way it does. It is totally and completely unaltered from its original formatting. You are seeing far *MORE*of the screen, is all, than ever before and that's something to praise, *not* criticize foolishly.

BTW, whomever it is that's written the review up there on this site with the plot summary, not the fan reviews here or the editorial review, should learn how to spell the characters' names right. From what I can see, they've miss-matched the Japanese original names and the English versions in this hodge-podge that ultimately is wrong. Goku doesn't have two "u"'s in his name, no matter which language you choose. *sigh*
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Post by Brad Redfield » Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:27 am

That is beyond hilarious. Thank you for sharing it. :lol:
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Post by fps_anth » Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:27 am

raz1337 wrote:Here's an audio clip from Lesson Number One, it contains the first Kaio Ken demonstration and leads to Nappa's death, it's 5 1/2 minutes long.

http://www.goear.com/listen.php?v=ee068ab
That sounds really good. I love that BGM. Besides the Kayoken shit, it's great stuff.

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Post by DaemonCorps » Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:29 am

(about that amazon user's comment about the widescreen) Zoinks! FUNi's brainwashed another one!

As for those clips, they just made me want my set delivered sooner :). The whole lack of any rock music kinda startled me at first, but I got over that soon enough.

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Post by dasmith » Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:31 am

Castor Troy wrote:For some reason, the sound mixing doesn't seem right to me since the dub voices are much louder than the japanese bgm...

This is what the dub should have been from the beginning, thanks for the clips!

Man, the dub grunting is overdone... :?

I agree that they definitely could have cranked up the levels on the japanese bgm relative to the dub.

Hearing the japanese bgm with the dub makes the dub fairly tolerable (hearing the dub and Faulconer's nonsense always felt really.. gimmicky to me).

Thanks a lot for the audio / video clips!

All things about the set considered.. I'll still wait for the next release down the road, and in the meantime send FUNi some mail. :wink:

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Post by JAPPO » Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:34 am

dasmith wrote:
Castor Troy wrote:For some reason, the sound mixing doesn't seem right to me since the dub voices are much louder than the japanese bgm...

This is what the dub should have been from the beginning, thanks for the clips!

Man, the dub grunting is overdone... :?

I agree that they definitely could have cranked up the levels on the japanese bgm relative to the dub.

Hearing the japanese bgm with the dub makes the dub fairly tolerable (hearing the dub and Faulconer's nonsense always felt really.. gimmicky to me).

Thanks a lot for the audio / video clips!

All things about the set considered.. I'll still wait for the next release down the road, and in the meantime send FUNi some mail. :wink:
I actually LIKE faulconer's music and would have liked it in 5.1 as well.

I like the dub better than the Japanese version, because Goku's voice is annoying in the Japanese version. Flame me if you must, but it's just my PERSONAL PREFERENCE.
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Post by MajinMetroid » Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:34 am

Wow, yeah... I'm blown away by the audio. It was like all of a sudden everyone in the world was speaking Japanese but... I understood it perfectly. Bizarre and great and wow... For the science experiment that is the combo audio track alone, these sets are worth buying imo. After 15sec I forgot about analyzing the widescreen and was AT the Vegeta/Goku fight.

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Post by raz1337 » Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:37 am

I just bought it really to have it, despite any widescreen issues. I'm really waiting for the Cell Games set though. I'm anxiously waiting to watch Gohan's SSJ2 transformation with this new audio and video quality.

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Post by JAPPO » Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:40 am

raz1337 wrote:I just bought it really to have it, despite any widescreen issues. I'm really waiting for the Cell Games set though. I'm anxiously waiting to watch Gohan's SSJ2 transformation with this new audio and video quality.
Pending if they continue making it.

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Post by BrollysKin » Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:43 am

JAPPO wrote:
raz1337 wrote:I just bought it really to have it, despite any widescreen issues. I'm really waiting for the Cell Games set though. I'm anxiously waiting to watch Gohan's SSJ2 transformation with this new audio and video quality.
Pending if they continue making it.

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Post by JAPPO » Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:45 am

BrollysKin wrote:
JAPPO wrote:
raz1337 wrote:I just bought it really to have it, despite any widescreen issues. I'm really waiting for the Cell Games set though. I'm anxiously waiting to watch Gohan's SSJ2 transformation with this new audio and video quality.
Pending if they continue making it.

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Post by Acid_Reign » Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:45 am

BrollysKin wrote:This guy on Amazon wrote an article on the Amazon website. Is it correct?

I can't believe what I am reading here. The people writing these reviews are the most uneducated fools I've ever seen. Everyone here complaining about the widescreen, that it's supposedly "ruining" the original format, doesn't know one damn thing about what they are talking about.

Pay attention, everyone who's reading this, please: Despite what you have read on here about DBZ being filmed originally in full screen, know that the people saying this haven't one clue on Earth what they are talking about.

The remastering, as it's CLEARLY explained on the DVD set, if any of these morons bothered to actually *watch* that featurette, was done from the ORIGINAL FILM PRINTS of DBZ. You see, DBZ, amazingly, was recorded not on video, or digitally like we would have now. It was recorded on FILM. The original aspect of film is *not* full screen. What you are seeing in this transfer is the *FULL* picture, not cropped, not changed, but presented *fully* in all of its original glory FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER. Film, whether they used 35mm or super 16mm prints, is only *able* to record in 1.85:1, or 1.66:1, respectively, aspect ratio, or WIDESCREEN. If it's super 16 (audio tracks removed on the negative in order to take full advantage of spreading the picture frame almost as wide as 35mm), which it seems to be given it's not *wide* widescreen but wider than your TV can naturally handle, then it's the later ratio. There is no, repeat *no* format of film that records in full screen. None. Even 8mm is more than the original 1.37:1 Academy standard of movies before the 50's. Your normal TV is 1.33:1 and all film is cropped to be broadcast on it, or undergoes "pan and scan" or finally, is presented in its full proportions with the missing black bars on top and bottom because the image has to be shrunk on the TV in order for it to fit. An HD widescreen TV will have no problem showing the full image, without much shrinkage, depending on the aspect ratio. From the aspect ratios I've mentioned, you only get more wide but never less.

I can't gather my brain around the fact that not only are people writing these reviews not knowing this basic fact, not paying attention to the fact that its explained right there on their DVD set in that featurette for them, and having the nerve to write this up for a 1 star based solely on the fact they think, quite stupidly, that this series was *cropped* to *make* it wisescreen... It's literally unbelievable. This series shouldn't suffer bad reviews from total fools like this, imo.

Ok, now onto the review of this great new transfer. It's absolutely amazing. Not only have they restored the video and enhanced the original mono audio as best they could in 5.1 surround, but they've also reworked the translation a bit, added previously cut entire episodes, and the end result is that the story is much more engaging and concise. It feels like it should have from the start. The violence isn't dumbed down. The language isn't either, and the whole flow is much more geared to an adult storyline this series was intended for. The power and emotion of the English voice talent is top on their game in this as well. I hope that they've reworked some of their original dialogue for the Freeza sagas as well to match this, and beyond.

If you've always loved this series, truly, this is the best of that series, imo. It's the most visceral, most powerful storyline from start to finish in the entire Dragonball or Dragonball Z span. When it comes down Nappa picking apart and killing, after torturing, each fighter one by one, or later to Vegeta and Goku going at it, and neither will give up, both are pushing to their absolute breaking point, the entire planet might be destroyed by it, and then some true pain starts getting dished out on *everyone,* if you liked seeing this before, you will definitely feel the intensity has risen ten fold. It should be noted also for purists that the original Japanese dialogue and mono sound is also available, along with the original stereo English TV broadcast with the new music and sound effects added. So, no matter which way you'd want to hear DBZ, in what translation, it's there. And, once more, for the final time: this is presented COMPLETELY UNCUT IN ITS ORIGINAL VISUAL FORMAT and there is nothing taken away, cropped, or fudged to make this widescreen, beautifully remasted version look the way it does. It is totally and completely unaltered from its original formatting. You are seeing far *MORE*of the screen, is all, than ever before and that's something to praise, *not* criticize foolishly.

BTW, whomever it is that's written the review up there on this site with the plot summary, not the fan reviews here or the editorial review, should learn how to spell the characters' names right. From what I can see, they've miss-matched the Japanese original names and the English versions in this hodge-podge that ultimately is wrong. Goku doesn't have two "u"'s in his name, no matter which language you choose. *sigh*
I stopped reading that ignoramus's drastically-misinformed attempt of a clarification about a few sentences in. Though it's very tempting to refute his points, I have a feeling he'd never get the message...

Hm. Decisions, decisions...

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Post by JAPPO » Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:49 am

Acid_Reign wrote:
BrollysKin wrote:This guy on Amazon wrote an article on the Amazon website. Is it correct?

I can't believe what I am reading here. The people writing these reviews are the most uneducated fools I've ever seen. Everyone here complaining about the widescreen, that it's supposedly "ruining" the original format, doesn't know one damn thing about what they are talking about.

Pay attention, everyone who's reading this, please: Despite what you have read on here about DBZ being filmed originally in full screen, know that the people saying this haven't one clue on Earth what they are talking about.

The remastering, as it's CLEARLY explained on the DVD set, if any of these morons bothered to actually *watch* that featurette, was done from the ORIGINAL FILM PRINTS of DBZ. You see, DBZ, amazingly, was recorded not on video, or digitally like we would have now. It was recorded on FILM. The original aspect of film is *not* full screen. What you are seeing in this transfer is the *FULL* picture, not cropped, not changed, but presented *fully* in all of its original glory FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER. Film, whether they used 35mm or super 16mm prints, is only *able* to record in 1.85:1, or 1.66:1, respectively, aspect ratio, or WIDESCREEN. If it's super 16 (audio tracks removed on the negative in order to take full advantage of spreading the picture frame almost as wide as 35mm), which it seems to be given it's not *wide* widescreen but wider than your TV can naturally handle, then it's the later ratio. There is no, repeat *no* format of film that records in full screen. None. Even 8mm is more than the original 1.37:1 Academy standard of movies before the 50's. Your normal TV is 1.33:1 and all film is cropped to be broadcast on it, or undergoes "pan and scan" or finally, is presented in its full proportions with the missing black bars on top and bottom because the image has to be shrunk on the TV in order for it to fit. An HD widescreen TV will have no problem showing the full image, without much shrinkage, depending on the aspect ratio. From the aspect ratios I've mentioned, you only get more wide but never less.

I can't gather my brain around the fact that not only are people writing these reviews not knowing this basic fact, not paying attention to the fact that its explained right there on their DVD set in that featurette for them, and having the nerve to write this up for a 1 star based solely on the fact they think, quite stupidly, that this series was *cropped* to *make* it wisescreen... It's literally unbelievable. This series shouldn't suffer bad reviews from total fools like this, imo.

Ok, now onto the review of this great new transfer. It's absolutely amazing. Not only have they restored the video and enhanced the original mono audio as best they could in 5.1 surround, but they've also reworked the translation a bit, added previously cut entire episodes, and the end result is that the story is much more engaging and concise. It feels like it should have from the start. The violence isn't dumbed down. The language isn't either, and the whole flow is much more geared to an adult storyline this series was intended for. The power and emotion of the English voice talent is top on their game in this as well. I hope that they've reworked some of their original dialogue for the Freeza sagas as well to match this, and beyond.

If you've always loved this series, truly, this is the best of that series, imo. It's the most visceral, most powerful storyline from start to finish in the entire Dragonball or Dragonball Z span. When it comes down Nappa picking apart and killing, after torturing, each fighter one by one, or later to Vegeta and Goku going at it, and neither will give up, both are pushing to their absolute breaking point, the entire planet might be destroyed by it, and then some true pain starts getting dished out on *everyone,* if you liked seeing this before, you will definitely feel the intensity has risen ten fold. It should be noted also for purists that the original Japanese dialogue and mono sound is also available, along with the original stereo English TV broadcast with the new music and sound effects added. So, no matter which way you'd want to hear DBZ, in what translation, it's there. And, once more, for the final time: this is presented COMPLETELY UNCUT IN ITS ORIGINAL VISUAL FORMAT and there is nothing taken away, cropped, or fudged to make this widescreen, beautifully remasted version look the way it does. It is totally and completely unaltered from its original formatting. You are seeing far *MORE*of the screen, is all, than ever before and that's something to praise, *not* criticize foolishly.

BTW, whomever it is that's written the review up there on this site with the plot summary, not the fan reviews here or the editorial review, should learn how to spell the characters' names right. From what I can see, they've miss-matched the Japanese original names and the English versions in this hodge-podge that ultimately is wrong. Goku doesn't have two "u"'s in his name, no matter which language you choose. *sigh*
I stopped reading that ignoramus's drastically-misinformed attempt of a clarification about a few sentences in. Though it's very tempting to refute his points, I have a feeling he'd never get the message...

Hm. Decisions, decisions...
I like how he mentions films in the 50's are widescreen.
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Post by Acid_Reign » Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:54 am

I'd encourage everyone to mark his review "unhelpful" :P

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Post by SonGokuGT » Fri Feb 02, 2007 2:01 am

Well...
First of all thanks for posting up the audio and video clips! The Japanese BGM with the dub felt awkward to me at first, but once i got into it, it was amazing! Seeing the video clips in widescreen I have to say that I started out looking for flaws, but quickly got sucked into the action.

I am also amazed at the clarity and sharpness of the screencaps posted! Truly a superb job on everything, FUNi... Now if only you'd fix the Widescreen issue...

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Post by Snail » Fri Feb 02, 2007 2:04 am

Thanks Tanook, and EvilGamer for sharing with us!

I'll be purchasing this set next weekend most likely. It's going to be hard to resist from ripping the shit out of the set, ( without the discs inside of course )

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Post by Thanos » Fri Feb 02, 2007 2:11 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs3wvnmfcqQ



I peed my pants.


(Only joking.)

The dub voices on top of my favorite all-time BGM in DBZ. Oh damn, that's sexiness. But unfortunately in that second clip, Goku says "Keioken". :(

But PLEASE, someone post a clip of Kyle Hebert's narration over the "Prologue & Subtitle" music that shows a recap of the previous episode. That will be interesting.
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