MistareFusion's Dragon Ball Dissection! (Updated 4/13/26!)

[Gaffer Tape]

Haha, it's funny because I'm already getting comments about that from Freeza fans and how it must mean I hate the Freeza arc when it's really a reference to Fukkatsu no 'F' in particular. But I'm also getting hit with the, "Well, you did say you thought Evolution was better than F, which is a pretty bold thing to say." I think it's going to end up being my "we're bigger than Jesus" moment, especially considering I didn't say that. I said I found Evolution more enjoyable than F.

[dbzfan7]

Haha, it's funny because I'm already getting comments about that from Freeza fans and how it must mean I hate the Freeza arc when it's really a reference to Fukkatsu no 'F' in particular. But I'm also getting hit with the, "Well, you did say you thought Evolution was better than F, which is a pretty bold thing to say." I think it's going to end up being my "we're bigger than Jesus" moment, especially considering I didn't say that. I said I found Evolution more enjoyable than F.

It's more than F though. He's brought back several times in different ways. Some people like to play the "canon" card to discredit that, but Freeza has been utilized a ton in the franchise.

-Manga return
-Fusion Reborn
-Plan to eradicate the Saiyans
-GT
-Other World arc

and that's not counting the other side stuff that's promotion or like in that crossover with Astroboy.

[ekrolo2]

Haha, it's funny because I'm already getting comments about that from Freeza fans and how it must mean I hate the Freeza arc when it's really a reference to Fukkatsu no 'F' in particular. But I'm also getting hit with the, "Well, you did say you thought Evolution was better than F, which is a pretty bold thing to say." I think it's going to end up being my "we're bigger than Jesus" moment, especially considering I didn't say that. I said I found Evolution more enjoyable than F.

It's more than F though. He's brought back several times in different ways. Some people like to play the "canon" card to discredit that, but Freeza has been utilized a ton in the franchise.

-Manga return
-Fusion Reborn
-Plan to eradicate the Saiyans
-GT
-Other World arc

and that's not counting the other side stuff that's promotion or like in that crossover with Astroboy.

And it's amazing that the one thing tying them all together is that he looks like a total jackass every time he comes back. Just a complete chump

[Kuririn Fan]

Haha, it's funny because I'm already getting comments about that from Freeza fans and how it must mean I hate the Freeza arc when it's really a reference to Fukkatsu no 'F' in particular. But I'm also getting hit with the, "Well, you did say you thought Evolution was better than F, which is a pretty bold thing to say." I think it's going to end up being my "we're bigger than Jesus" moment, especially considering I didn't say that. I said I found Evolution more enjoyable than F.

I said that you said that you liked Evolution more than F (which i can't understand) and not that you think it's a better movie.
Also: Freeza - 5, Cell - 1, Boo - 3.

[Zephyr]

Couldn't that underwear drawer have belonged to Lunch?

Only if Blooma is in the habit of wearing Lunch's underwear.

I must have glossed over that part.

Although, this series houses far stranger things, so who knows.

[Gaffer Tape]

Hmm. It seems YouTube must be undergoing maintenance since it hasn't been keeping up with the view count, and now I can't access comments on any of my videos. So I'm glad people are discussing things here.

Anyway, I did see over there that Kuririn Fan defended F by saying it had good fighting and allowed the other characters (like Kuririn) to shine. I'm not necessarily trying to make this an F debate, especially since I'm still a loooooong way away from it (although my personal viewing will soon take me into the F arc in Super... *shudder*), but... well, it was so boring. It had no story. It was just a sad, pointless retread of the actual Freeza arc. At least Evolution was trying to tell a story.

It's more than F though. He's brought back several times in different ways. Some people like to play the "canon" card to discredit that, but Freeza has been utilized a ton in the franchise.

-Manga return
-Fusion Reborn
-Plan to eradicate the Saiyans
-GT
-Other World arc

and that's not counting the other side stuff that's promotion or like in that crossover with Astroboy.

And that's not even counting the FIABNs: Freeza In All But Name. You have two Coola movies. You have Chilled. Apparently in Super (and please don't talk about it since I haven't gotten there yet), there's a Frost. All Nakao. All Freeza with very minor cosmetic or personality differences (although, as said, I'm not really familiar enough with Frost to make that judgment). They just can't keep themselves from cashing in on Freeza. Hey, I think Freeza is awesome. But they just keep diluting him by constantly going back to that well.

[Zephyr]

It had no story.

I still maintain that the film tells a sort of Greek tragedy at Freeza's expense.

[dbzfan7]

It's more than F though. He's brought back several times in different ways. Some people like to play the "canon" card to discredit that, but Freeza has been utilized a ton in the franchise.

-Manga return
-Fusion Reborn
-Plan to eradicate the Saiyans
-GT
-Other World arc

and that's not counting the other side stuff that's promotion or like in that crossover with Astroboy.

And that's not even counting the FIABNs: Freeza In All But Name. You have two Coola movies. You have Chilled. Apparently in Super (and please don't talk about it since I haven't gotten there yet), there's a Frost. All Nakao. All Freeza with very minor cosmetic or personality differences (although, as said, I'm not really familiar enough with Frost to make that judgment). They just can't keep themselves from cashing in on Freeza. Hey, I think Freeza is awesome. But they just keep diluting him by constantly going back to that well.

Yes I will say Frost is voiced by Nako, and that's it. So they in some way, shape, or form keep bringing back Freeza. I personally thought his joke returns were great comeuppance, and a way to show how far everyone has come.

[Kuririn Fan]

Yeah, i can see where you're coming from, but i don't know, it was a really fun movie. Evolution was fun as well, but in some weird way. Can't wait for Freeza arc dissection! For me 22nd TB - Freeza part of the Toriyama's story is the best chunk, with Freeza being a conclusion of so many things. But ofc i do like the arcs before and after that and i wouldn't be satisfied if it ended with Freeza. Toriyama constantly left some things that needed resolve and the actual manga ending puts an end to all of them.

[Gorou]

If RoF did not have the name of Toriyama approached to it, I think it would have been considered by all the worst DB's movie.

[Kuririn Fan]

If RoF did not have the name of Toriyama approached to it, I think it would have been considered by all the worst DB film.

Not by a long shot, but this isn't the time nor place for that.

[Gorou]

Many other Toei's movies are even worse, but have no relevance in the plot.

[Ajay]

I think the fact it did come from Toriyama and is so spotty is what makes it far worse for a lot of people. It's not something you can just brush aside like the Toei films, you know?

[Kuririn Fan]

Guys, it's not that bad.
And 63 million dollars, baby

[Gorou]

I think the fact it did come from Toriyama and is so spotty is what makes it far worse for a lot of people. It's not something you can just brush aside like the Toei films, you know?

My problem is not that has been written by Toriyama; that one I think is the main reason why many accept the movie. My problem is that claims to be official, and a direct sequel of the manga. After all, the only enjoyable part was, for me, the battle against Freeza soldiers

[Ajay]

I think we're in agreement since that was my point.

Being "official" and being not so good means you can't just brush it aside.

[Lord Beerus]

I think the fact it did come from Toriyama and is so spotty is what makes it far worse for a lot of people. It's not something you can just brush aside like the Toei films, you know?

Well, I've personally never placed Toriyama on a pedestal to the point where I thought that he can do no wrong or I feel as though I can't harshly criticise his work when I feel like I should. I fucking despise the Android/Cell arc, and think it's one of the low points, in not just the original story, but in all of Dragon Ball(Z)/(GT)/(Super) etc. I don't give a shit about Dragon Ball Minus either. I loved Resurrection F because it had great action, great comedy, good character interactions and I was happy to see Freeza come back. But in turn, I hated the ending and ultimately thought that Freeza coming back was a wasted opportunity for some character growth or exploring lore behind his race. On the flip side, I hate the Android/Cell arc for its infuriating plot-induced stupidity. I mean, love Dragon Ball and I love Toriyama's work, but that doesn't mean I won't call out the bullshit when I see it. The point I'm trying to make it that, just because a story comes directly from Toriyama doesn't mean it should be excused in any regard within the forms of constructive criticism.

[Ajay]

The point I'm trying to make it that, just because a story comes directly from Toriyama doesn't mean it should be excused in any regard within the forms of constructive criticism.

I don't think anyone was claiming otherwise...?

When something you don't like comes from Toei (like the pre-BoG movies), you can simply brush them aside and forget about them because they have no relevance to Toriyama's work. When something comes from the pen of Toriyama, it has a greater significance because it's then intended to be part of the story in a meaningful way -- see: Dragon Ball Super and Super Saiyan Blue.

That's as simply as I can put it. Kinda surprised my point was clear in the first place. There was nothing about Toriyama-work being exempt from criticism or whatever you were saying.

[Noah]

My problem is not that has been written by Toriyama; that one I think is the main reason why many accept the movie. My problem is that claims to be official, and a direct sequel of the manga. After all, the only enjoyable part was, for me, the battle against Freeza soldiers

Well, since DB don't have an stabilized canon, we can consider whatever we want and I personally don't consider RoF nor Super as canon to the manga.

[Kid Buu]

I'm surprised you didn't make a joke on how Ruysei Nakao got to play Krillin's-murderer back to back.