Is Zarama Omnipotent?

[Roobindale]

So, like.

Zarama created the Super Dragon Balls, which are supposedly capable of granting literally any wish, no matter what it is. This is a pretty big deal, as it's pretty common knowledge that any set of Dragon Balls cannot grant a wish that surpasses the power of its creator.

So, IF these Dragon Balls can ACTUALLY grant any wish ever no matter what it could possibly be, (there are a lot of instances in Dragon Ball where things or concepts are stated to be absolute, only for them to be revealed not to be later on, so I'm a little unsure about whether the Super Dragon Balls are REALLY that powerful or not) then that would make Zarama omnipotent right?

[Lord Beerus]

He could be. And I kinda hope Zarama is as it would add to the mystique of the character, considering he is the original wish granting Dragon. But even Shenlong, for all his supposed omnipotence, didn't know everything.

[Khin]

If we go by the same logic that the Dragon Balls cannot surpass the power of its creator.Then Zarama is indeed omnipotent.He's the creator of it. And the Super Dragon Ball was stated to can any wish.

He could be. And I kinda hope Zarama is as it would add to the mystique of the character, considering he is the original wish granting Dragon. But even Shenlong, for all his supposed omnipotence, didn't know everything.

Shenlong isn't omnipotent.If he is,he wouldn't be killed by Piccolo Daimao and be scared of Beerus.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

The whole rule is vague to begin with. What power are they claiming restricts the Dragon's abilities? Because we see Shenlong do a number of things Kami and Dende couldn't do themselves... I'm going to assume the same is true here, and that no one in Dragon Ball is truly omnipotent since that doesn't really jive well with Toriyama's view on his own gods.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Apparently not since he's forced to grant any wish by the asker if they ask in the right manner... which presumably means you could wish for Zarama to die and he would.

Of course just like in GT where the Black Star Dragonballs were said to be able to grant "any wish", that doesn't mean they can grant wishes outside of the context of the setting. Like what if you made simultaneous wishes on the Black Star and Super Dragonballs for two contradictory things, like "permanently negate the power of the other set of Dragonballs". Or what if you wished for something paradoxical, like "I wish for you to not grant this wish". What happens then?

[DBS916]

Good question OP. I would imagine he would be one of the most powerful characters if they introduced him in the series. And I wonder if Zarama's power would either match, or possibly, exceed the likes of Beerus and Whis.

[Ash57]

Polyphase Avatron, in your first situation of the balls negating each other, nothing would happen. They would cancel eachother imo. And no, you can't bring "but then these balls can't grant any wish, because they failed to negate eachother's power", because something was stopping them to grant the wish and that's why they didn't grant it. It can grant any wish, but nothing's said about interferences..

In the 2nd situation, the wish would not be granted because the guy was not specific\was paradoxal with his wish, so the Dragon would refuse to grant the wish due to that, but it doesn't mean that the Dragon can't grant it.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Polyphase Avatron, in your first situation of the balls negating each other, nothing would happen. They would cancel eachother imo. And no, you can't bring "but then these balls can't grant any wish, because they failed to negate eachother's power", because something was stopping them to grant the wish and that's why they didn't grant it. It can grant any wish, but nothing's said about interferences..

In the 2nd situation, the wish would not be granted because the guy was not specific\was paradoxal with his wish, so the Dragon would refuse to grant the wish due to that, but it doesn't mean that the Dragon can't grant it.

Yeah it does, because it's a logical paradox, how could you conceivably grant that? And, by definition, if you wish for something and it doesn't happen, the wish wasn't fulfilled.

[rereboy]

Apparently not since he's forced to grant any wish by the asker if they ask in the right manner... which presumably means you could wish for Zarama to die and he would.

Of course just like in GT where the Black Star Dragonballs were said to be able to grant "any wish", that doesn't mean they can grant wishes outside of the context of the setting. Like what if you made simultaneous wishes on the Black Star and Super Dragonballs for two contradictory things, like "permanently negate the power of the other set of Dragonballs". Or what if you wished for something paradoxical, like "I wish for you to not grant this wish". What happens then?

That's just a core logical problem of omnipotence, like asking if god could create a rock so heavy that nothing could lift it. If he can't create it, he is not omnipotent, and if he can't lift it he is also not omnipotent.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Apparently not since he's forced to grant any wish by the asker if they ask in the right manner... which presumably means you could wish for Zarama to die and he would.

Of course just like in GT where the Black Star Dragonballs were said to be able to grant "any wish", that doesn't mean they can grant wishes outside of the context of the setting. Like what if you made simultaneous wishes on the Black Star and Super Dragonballs for two contradictory things, like "permanently negate the power of the other set of Dragonballs". Or what if you wished for something paradoxical, like "I wish for you to not grant this wish". What happens then?

That's just a core logical problem of omnipotence, like asking if god could create a rock so heavy that nothing could lift it. If he can't create it, he is not omnipotent, and if he can't lift it he is also not omnipotent.

Which is why the whole concept is silly.

[rereboy]

Apparently not since he's forced to grant any wish by the asker if they ask in the right manner... which presumably means you could wish for Zarama to die and he would.

Of course just like in GT where the Black Star Dragonballs were said to be able to grant "any wish", that doesn't mean they can grant wishes outside of the context of the setting. Like what if you made simultaneous wishes on the Black Star and Super Dragonballs for two contradictory things, like "permanently negate the power of the other set of Dragonballs". Or what if you wished for something paradoxical, like "I wish for you to not grant this wish". What happens then?

That's just a core logical problem of omnipotence, like asking if god could create a rock so heavy that nothing could lift it. If he can't create it, he is not omnipotent, and if he can't lift it he is also not omnipotent.

Which is why the whole concept is silly.

If we take it too far yes, but it serves its purpose in a fictional story where there might be omnipotent beings if we just don't take it too far.

In real life, that has more to do with religion that anything else, so it's pointless to talk about it.

[Chuquita]

I would like Zarama to be self aware that they're in a manga / anime series, ala characters in Dr. Slump. As far as I know, Krillin's the only DB character who had a fourth wall moment in DB. (Unless you count Pilaf Gang's Dr. Slump shout out in the first arc).

[Ash57]

That "Can God lift the rock?" paradox is easily counterable. Can an unstoppable force move an immovable object? Answer: No, because if there is an unstoppable force, there are no such thing as an immovable object, and vice-versa. It's the same thing.

[rereboy]

That "Can God lift the rock?" paradox is easily counterable. Can an unstoppable force move an immovable object? Answer: No, because if there is an unstoppable force, there are no such thing as an immovable object, and vice-versa. It's the same thing.

That's not a solution to the paradox, that's admitting that the paradox doesn't have a solution and thus the problem itself can never exist because if it did it wouldn't have a solution.

[Hellspawn28]

Hard to tell for someone that we hardly know anything about. I personally doubt it since people thought the same for the Black Star Dragon Balls and yet the original Namek is not omnipotent.

[singsing]

That "Can God lift the rock?" paradox is easily counterable. Can an unstoppable force move an immovable object? Answer: No, because if there is an unstoppable force, there are no such thing as an immovable object, and vice-versa. It's the same thing.

That's not a solution to the paradox, that's admitting that the paradox doesn't have a solution and thus the problem itself can never exist because if it did it wouldn't have a solution.

Easy peasy lemon squeezy, they phase through each other. One doesn't get moved, one doesn't stop.

[Kamiccolo9]

That "Can God lift the rock?" paradox is easily counterable. Can an unstoppable force move an immovable object? Answer: No, because if there is an unstoppable force, there are no such thing as an immovable object, and vice-versa. It's the same thing.

That's not a solution to the paradox, that's admitting that the paradox doesn't have a solution and thus the problem itself can never exist because if it did it wouldn't have a solution.

Easy peasy lemon squeezy, they phase through each other. One doesn't get moved, one doesn't stop.

That's not a solution. The unstoppable force did not move the immovable object, and the immovable object did not stop the unstoppable force.

[rereboy]

Easy peasy lemon squeezy, they phase through each other. One doesn't get moved, one doesn't stop.

That's just avoiding the question. Why would a, for example, unstoppable train phase through an immovable mountain?

[singsing]

That's not a solution. The unstoppable force did not move the immovable object, and the immovable object did not stop the unstoppable force.

Why does the force have to move the object? Why can't it simply go through the object without stopping?

Why does the immovable object have to stop the force? If the force goes through it, it remains unmoved.

I was also kinda joking considering this is a Zarama thread and easy peasy lemon squeezy.

[Hitiro]

Zarama has Omniscience(Omniscient), it should not be confused with omnipotence. Omnipotence is having ultimate power. Basically being god. Omniscience(Omniscient) is having ultimate knowledge or to literally know everything in the universe basically infinite/universal knowledge.