The anime and the "strongest" Boo thing...

[dragonballer]

the anime strange logic is like this:

ssj3 goku = kid buu >= super vegetto > gohan buu > gohan > gotenks > super buu > ssj3 goku

i'll try to explain that using some assumptions.

assumption 1 : vegetto can't go ssj2 or ssj3 he was not used to his new body.

supports:
-gotenks couldn't go ssj in his first debut

assumption 2: goku and vegeta got power boost from vegetto. but that gave them a side effect,they can't go beyond ssj1 now because of their "new bodies". maybe they could transform on kaioshinkai because they broke that restriction after powering up to their limits to caught kid buu's attention or just because some time passed after their defusion.

supports:
-ssj goku was able to keep up with ultimate gohan.
-they didn't used ssj2 when they was in serious danger (fighting gohan,gotenks and piccolo or super buu).
-their power in ssj1 could be sensed across the world,like ssj3 goku.
-vegeta and goku thought they would be able to defeat buu with ssj2.
-goku said vegetto could easily destroy kid buu, because they unlocked ssj 2 and 3 transformation.

if dbs is anime-canon,then that also explains the goku number 1,vegeta number 2 thing. Furthermore, this theory makes rageta jumping to a super vegetto tier less ridiculous,because vegetto can't give the same boost after goku and vegeta "absorbed" him. something like this:
goku: 1
vegeta: 1
vegetto: 100
goku (after fusion): 10
vegeta (after fusion): 10
vegetto(fusing again): 100

and the dbs numbers should be like this:
goku ssj3: 2
rageta: 4
ssj vegetto: 5
ssj3 vegetto: 40
beerus expected full power: 50

[Desassina]

No one has ever assumed that Kid Buu was stronger than Buuhan or Buutenks. That's just people going to an extreme out of spite to prove that SSJ3 Goku couldn't be the strongest. Even if you take the new material and the revised franchise for granted, we're shown Buutenks dealing with SSJ3 Goku like Kid Buu probably couldn't, unless the battle was ever lasting. For all intents and purposes, Goku has even mentioned that they could probably deal with Kid Buu, because he didn't have anyone merged.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

You're better off not taking anything seriously from the Anime's version of the Boo saga.

[dragonballer]

No one has ever assumed that Kid Buu was stronger than Buuhan or Buutenks. That's just people going to an extreme out of spite to prove that SSJ3 Goku couldn't be the strongest. Even if you take the new material and the revised franchise for granted, we're shown Buutenks dealing with SSJ3 Goku like Kid Buu probably couldn't, unless the battle was ever lasting. For all intents and purposes, Goku has even mentioned that they could probably deal with Kid Buu, because he didn't have anyone merged.

the manga is more clear with super buu > goku.

the anime is confusing because they promoted kid buu > other buus. i just tried to make it less illogic with a theory.

ssj3 goku vs gotenks happened before the fusion boost metioned in the theory.

[rereboy]

No one has ever assumed that Kid Buu was stronger than Buuhan or Buutenks.

That is simply not true. The narrator in the anime calls Kid Buu the strongest Buu ever. Which obviously doesn't happen in the manga.

[Desassina]

Ah, I see where this is going... Slowly backs away.

[rereboy]

Ah, I see where this is going... Slowly backs away.

I merely corrected something that was incorrect in your statement and explained why. Many people assumed Kid Buu to be the strongest based on that and other reasons, like being the final villain and so on.

[Desassina]

You have to learn how to weight the statements relative to one another. You have the narrator saying that Kid Buu was the strongest, yes, but you also have Goku showing relief that he wasn't merged anymore, or that potara fusion would kill him quickly. I think it's pretty obvious, without the spite of anime inconsistency, that Kid Buu was the strongest in the realm of the unfused fighters. No mental gymnastics required.

[rereboy]

Except that when the narrator says that Kid Buu is the strongest Buu, or the strongest form of Buu, a very natural interpretation of that is that he is indeed stronger than any other Buu, which was how many people took it. Many also didn't interpret it as such, or found it inconsistent, but you argued that no one took Kid Buu to be the strongest, ever.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Goku said Kid Boo's power was on a "whole different level from all the Boos up to now."

I think the statement is as straightforward as it gets.

The Dragon Book pretty much says exactly what the Anime says on Kid Boo.

[dragonballer]

You have to learn how to weight the statements relative to one another. You have the narrator saying that Kid Buu was the strongest, yes, but you also have Goku showing relief that he wasn't merged anymore, or that potara fusion would kill him quickly. I think it's pretty obvious, without the spite of anime inconsistency, that Kid Buu was the strongest in the realm of the unfused fighters. No mental gymnastics required.

without the anime inconsistency,gohan should be strongest unfused fighter.

assuming goku was talking about ssj3 vegetto, since kid buu > ssj vegetto was implied,buu is the strongest character of the anime version.

[Khin]

It was never implied that Pure Boo was stronger than Super Vegetto.Peoples seems to forget that Anime Base Vegetto was able to trounce Gohan-Boo with relative ease.

[Desassina]

This is spiteful thinking. People don't want to place Kid Buu above the other singular Buu entities (who have no Piccolo, Gotenks and Gohan), and so they exaggerate him to make the argument appear worse than it is. It doesn't take a genius to realize that SSJ3 Goku has lost against Buutenks, and that he has nearly matched Kid Buu, whom potara fusion would kill with ease.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Super Saiyan Goku was able to knock clone Gohan around a bit, and Goku said that Gohan was as powerful as the real Gohan.

[rereboy]

This is spiteful thinking. People don't want to place Kid Buu above the other singular Buu entities (who have no Piccolo, Gotenks and Gohan), and so they exaggerate him to make the argument appear worse than it is. It doesn't take a genius to realize that SSJ3 Goku has lost against Buutenks, and that he has nearly matched Kid Buu, whom potara fusion would kill with ease.

People? We were talking about what was said in the anime.

[Desassina]

Well, I hope that people don't kill animals if they're told to choke the dolphin. Has the internet gotten this clingy and literal as of late?

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Well, it doesn't take a genius to reach the conclusion of Super Boo>Goku, but that never stopped anyone.

[dragonballer]

It was never implied that Pure Boo was stronger than Super Vegetto.Peoples seems to forget that Anime Base Vegetto was able to trounce Gohan-Boo with relative ease.

the anime added an scene where angered gohan buu > super vegetto to show that buu had a incredible power "inside" him.

kid buu + gohan > ssj vegetto

but ssj vegetto >>>>>>>> gohan

then kid buu >= ssj vegetto

[Desassina]

Well, it doesn't take a genius to reach the conclusion of Super Boo>Goku, but that never stopped anyone.

Which is not the discussion here. I was merely talking about Kid Buu against Goku, Buuhan, and Buutenks, but I knew, oh, I so knew that this would turn into another Super Buu debate.

[Khin]

It was never implied that Pure Boo was stronger than Super Vegetto.Peoples seems to forget that Anime Base Vegetto was able to trounce Gohan-Boo with relative ease.

the anime added an scene where angered gohan buu > super vegetto to show that buu had a incredible power "inside" him.

Eh ? No.Super Vegetto was able to knock Boo out.The only reason why he was having a hard time out of it was because of the barrier.

Gohan-Boo < Base Vegetto <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Super Vegetto