Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

ZombieVito · Post by **ZombieVito** » Thu Mar 31, 2016 9:35 pm

I think I'm going to go with this.

Gohan: 3,000,000,000
Goku: 2,400,000,000
Cell Juniors: 2,000,000,000
Vegeta: 1,800,000,000
Trunks: 1,700,000,000
Piccolo: 1,200,000,000

ahill1 · Post by **ahill1** » Fri Apr 01, 2016 5:31 pm

The Daizenshuu is so messed up it's not even funny. Daizenshuu is a joke, seriously.

@Zombie - the same as Kaboom?

@Analytic - even them being at Cell(@Goku) is wrong. Trunks and Vegeta could hold their own, which would be impossible if they were equal to Cell(@Goku).

ZombieVito · Post by **ZombieVito** » Fri Apr 01, 2016 6:08 pm

Well when various Daizenshuu's differ in the same information then I guess I can choose which one to follow.

Kaboom's numbers for everyone not Gohan, Cell or Goku in the CG are perfect for me.

ahill1 · Post by **ahill1** » Fri Apr 01, 2016 7:47 pm

Zombie wrote:Well when various Daizenshuu's differ in the same information then I guess I can choose which one to follow.

Kaboom's numbers for everyone not Gohan, Cell or Goku in the CG are perfect for me.

I think Piccolo is too far away from the Cell Juniors. He was not so messed up in the end of the fight. I'd raise him to 1,500,000,000.

ZombieVito · Post by **ZombieVito** » Fri Apr 01, 2016 8:12 pm

ahill1 wrote:
Zombie wrote:Well when various Daizenshuu's differ in the same information then I guess I can choose which one to follow.

Kaboom's numbers for everyone not Gohan, Cell or Goku in the CG are perfect for me.
I think Piccolo is too far away from the Cell Juniors. He was not so messed up in the end of the fight. I'd raise him to 1,500,000,000.

He admitted inferiority to the Cell that beat Super Vegeta. There is a considerable gap.

ahill1 · Post by **ahill1** » Fri Apr 01, 2016 9:16 pm

Zombie wrote:
ahill1 wrote:
Zombie wrote:Well when various Daizenshuu's differ in the same information then I guess I can choose which one to follow.

Kaboom's numbers for everyone not Gohan, Cell or Goku in the CG are perfect for me.
I think Piccolo is too far away from the Cell Juniors. He was not so messed up in the end of the fight. I'd raise him to 1,500,000,000.
He admitted inferiority to the Cell that beat Super Vegeta. There is a considerable gap.

Because he knew Cell had more power. Note that Trunks showed surprise to know that Piccolo is nothing to Cell, so he'd be at least expecting him to be somewhat relevant. Trunks' surprise shows me Piccolo discovered that Cell (warm up/vs Vegeta and Trunks) and Goku MSSJ 50% were not them at full power.

In viz, when Goku said he most likely could not beat Cell, Trunks even said:

"...That powerful? I was afraid of that..."

ThePiccolo · Post by **ThePiccolo** » Fri Apr 01, 2016 11:51 pm

Here is my movie power level list! Feedback is appreciated. And if you want to compare to them to my main story power levels, here: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... start=7531

Dead Zone

Spoiler:

The World's Strongest

Spoiler:

The Tree of Might

Spoiler:

Lord Slug

Spoiler:

Cooler's Revenge

Spoiler:

Return of Cooler

Spoiler:

Super Android 13

Spoiler:

Broly the Legendary Super Saiyan

Spoiler:

Bojack Unbound

Spoiler:

Broly Second Coming

Spoiler:

Bio-Broly

Spoiler:

Fusion Reborn

Spoiler:

Wrath of the Dragon

Spoiler:

Battle of Gods

Spoiler:

Resurrection F

Spoiler:

apex_pretador · Post by **apex_pretador** » Sat Apr 02, 2016 12:07 am

Zombie wrote:
ahill1 wrote:
Zombie wrote:Well when various Daizenshuu's differ in the same information then I guess I can choose which one to follow.

Kaboom's numbers for everyone not Gohan, Cell or Goku in the CG are perfect for me.
I think Piccolo is too far away from the Cell Juniors. He was not so messed up in the end of the fight. I'd raise him to 1,500,000,000.
He admitted inferiority to the Cell that beat Super Vegeta. There is a considerable gap.

He had sensed BULKED-UP cell at that point.

Look the difference in his reactions before and after sensing bulked-up cell :

Spoiler:

388 (DB 194), P5.4
Piccolo: “H-he’s incredible…Cell in his perfect form…”

Note that cell changes up to his buff form only momentarily, so that's probably why krillin etc didn't notice, but piccolo was paying hard attention.
When he sensed buff-form trunks being stronger than cell's perfect form, he didn't "see" it as he didn't comment about trunks' speed.

However, then Cell transforms into his buff form momentarily and in the same instant, trunks powers down, so piccolo comments on how incredible the perfect form of cell is. (NOTE: It is very likely that trunks later told him about the fact that he lost due to Grade 3, but stil doesn't change the fact that piccolo sensed cell's bulked up perfect form.

ahill1 · Post by **ahill1** » Sat Apr 02, 2016 12:33 am

@apex_pretador

Piccolo already knew the reason Trunks lost (due to him being Kamiccolo). Kamiccolo is not only able to sense their chi, but also exactly what's happening, like when he knew Kuririn broke the remote control.

apex_pretador · Post by **apex_pretador** » Sat Apr 02, 2016 12:34 am

ThePiccolo wrote:Here is my movie power level list! Feedback is appreciated. And if you want to compare to them to my main story power levels, here: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... start=7531

Dead Zone
Spoiler:
Goku(Weighted)- 334
Unweighted- 416
Piccolo(Weighted)- 322
Unweighted- 408
Krillin- 206

Nicky- 220
Powered up- 286
Sansho- 215
Powered up- 280
Ginger- 210
Powered up- 273

Kami- 270
Garlic Jr- 325
Super Garlic- 455

Gohan- 1
Enraged- 1307
The World's Strongest
Spoiler:
Roshi- 139
Bio-Saibamen- 50

Goku- 8,200
KKx2- 16,400
KKx3- 24,600
KKx4- 32,800

Misokatsun- 4,300
Kishime- 7,000
Ebifurya- 7,500

Gohan- 1100
Krillin- 1770
Piccolo- 5,400
Mind Controlled- 8,100

Dr.Wheelo- 25,000
Power Rising- 37,500
The Tree of Might
Spoiler:
Goku- 32,000
KKx2- 64,000
KKx10- 320,000
1st Spirit Bomb- 400,000
2nd Spirit Bomb- 1,500,000

Piccolo(Weighted)- 18,000
Unweighted- 22,500
Gohan- 10,000
Tien- 6,000
Krillin- 5,200
Yamcha- 4,000
Chiaotzu- 2,500

Razin/Lakasei- 7,600 each
Cacao- 8,400
Amond- 9,100
Daiz- 13,000

Turles- 28,000
Post 1 Fruit- 560,000
Post 2 Fruits- 840,000
Lord Slug
Spoiler:
Goku- 90,000
False SSJ- 2,250,000
KKx100 (Piccolo's power)- 9,000,000

Piccolo(Weighted)- 48,000
Unweighted- 60,000
Krillin- 13,000
Gohan- 14,000

Doradabo- 35,000
Medamatcha- 40,000
Angila- 42,000

Old Slug- 70,000
Young Slug- 350,000
Giant Slug- 3,500,000
Cooler's Revenge
Spoiler:
Goku- 4,200,000
KKx20- 84,000,000
SSJ- 210,000,000

Piccolo(Weighted)- 1,600,000
Unweighted- 2,000,000
Gohan- 350,000
Krillin- 120,000

Neiz- 720,000
Dore- 780,000
Salza- 1,250,000

Cooler(4%)- 5,000,000
Full Power- 125,000,000
5th Form- 175,000,000
Return of Cooler
Spoiler:
Goku- 4,500,000
KKx20- 90,000,000
SSJ- 225,000,000
Vegeta- 4,800,000
SSJ- 240,000,000

Piccolo- 175,000,000
Gohan- 1,250,000
Krillin- 300,000

Meta Cooler- 200,000,000
Post Repair- 300,000,000
Super Android 13
Spoiler:
Goku- 4,500,000
SSJ- 225,000,000
Spirit Bomb Absorbed- 900,000,000
Vegeta- 4,800,000
SSJ- 240,000,000
Trunks- 3,900,000
SSJ- 195,000,000
Piccolo(Weighted)- 280,000,000
Unweighted- 350,000,000

Gohan- 1,250,000
Krillin- 300,000

Android 15- 210,000,000
Android 14- 160,000,000
Android 13- 250,000,000
Super Android 13- 450,000,000
Broly the Legendary Super Saiyan
Spoiler:
Goku- 30,000,000
SSJ- 1,500,000,000
Combined Power- 3,750,000,000
Vegeta- 21,000,000
SSJ- 1,050,000,000
ASSJ- 1,260,000,000
Trunks- 19,000,000
SSJ- 950,000,000
ASSJ- 1,140,000,000
Gohan- 14,000,000
SSJ- 700,000,000
Piccolo- 850,000,000

Paragus- 5,000

Broly- 35,000,000
Restrained SSJ- 1,050,000,000
SSJ- 1,750,000,000
LSSJ- 2,800,000,000
Bojack Unbound
Spoiler:
Gohan- 65,000,000
SSJ- 3,250,000,000
SSJ2- 6,500,000,000
Vegeta- 41,000,000
SSJ- 2,050,000,000
Trunks- 39,000,000
SSJ- 1,950,000,000
Piccolo- 1,600,000,000
Tien- 140,000
Krillin- 300,000
Yamcha- 85,000

Gokua- 750,000,000
Full Power- 1,125,000,000
Zangya- 1,200,000,000
Bido- 1,500,000,000
Bujin- 1,300,000,000

Bojack- 3,600,000,000
Full Power Bojack- 4,500,000,000
Broly Second Coming
Spoiler:
Gohan- 52,000,000
SSJ- 2,600,000,000
SSJ2- 4,875,000,000
Goten- 18,000,000
SSJ- 900,000,000
Trunks- 19,500,000
SSJ- 975,000,000

Broly- 74,000,000
SSJ- 3,700,000,000
LSSJ- 5,920,000,000

Krillin- 280,000
Videl- 19

Goku- 73,000,000
SSJ- 3,350,000,000
Bio-Broly

Spoiler:
Goten- 22,000,000
SSJ- 1,100,000,000
Trunks- 23,000,000
SSJ- 1,150,000,000
Android 18- 300,000,000
Krillin- 280,000

Mr.Satan- 14
Bio-Warriors- 500

Bio-Broly-17,500,000
SSJ- 875,000,000
LSSJ- 1,400,000,000
Fusion Reborn

Spoiler:
Goku- 75,000,000
SSJ- 3,750,000,000
SSJ2- 7,500,000,000
SSJ3- 30,000,000,000
Vegeta- 60,000,000
SSJ- 3,000,000,000
SSJ2- 6,000,000,000

Weighted Pikkon- 2,750,000,000

Mini-Janemba's- 1,000,000
Janemba- 18,750,000,000
Super Janemba- 37,500,000,000

SSJ Gogeta- 52,500,000,000

Gohan- 56,000,000
Videl- 18
Goten- 22,000,000
SSJ- 1,100,000,000
Trunks- 23,000,000
SSJ- 1,150,000,000
Gotenks- 385,000,000
SSJ- 19,250,000,000

Frieza(Suppressed)- 6,000,000
Wrath of the Dragon
Spoiler:
Goku- 78,000,000
SSJ- 3,900,000,000
SSJ2- 7,800,000,000
SSJ3- 31,200,000,000
Vegeta- 64,000,000
SSJ- 3,200,000,000
SSJ2- 6,400,000,000
Ultimate Gohan- 300,000,000,000
Goten- 40,000,000
SSJ- 2,000,000,000
Trunks- 42,000,000
SSJ- 2,100,000,000
Gotenks- 600,000,000
SSJ- 30,000,000,000
SSJ3- 240,000,000,000

Tapion- 65,000,000

Hirudegarn (1/2)- 90,000,000,000
Complete- 180,000,000,000
Super- 450,000,000,000

Dragon Fist- 1,190,000,000,000
Battle of Gods
Spoiler:
Goku-90,000,000
SSJ- 4,500,000,000
SSJ2- 9,000,000,000
SSJ3- 36,000,000,000
SSJ God (80%)- 144,000,000,000,000
Full Power- 180,000,000,000,000
God Ki absorbed- 2,900,000,000,000
SSJ w/God Ki- 145,000,000,000,000

Vegeta- 75,000,000
SSJ- 3,750,000,000
SSJ2- 7,500,000,000
Enraged- 7,500,000,000,000
Galick Gun- 15,000,000,000,000

Gohan- 100,000,000
SSJ- 5,000,000,000
Goten- 38,000,000
Trunks- 39,000,000
Gotenks- 570,000,000
SSJ- 28,500,000,000

Piccolo- 1,900,000,000
Krillin- 280,000
Tien- 225,000
Android 18- 300,000,000
Yamcha- 75,000
Good Buu- 15,000,000,000

Lord Beerus(1%/ Against Everyone)- 3,000,000,000,000
10%/Against Vegeta- 30,000,000,000,000
50%/Initially Against SSJ God Goku- 150,000,000,000,000
70%/Most Used Against God Goku- 210,000,000,000,000
Full Power- 300,000,000,000,000

Whis- 450,000,000,000,000
Resurrection F
Spoiler:
Goku- 3,900,000,000,000
SSGSS- 195,000,000,000,000
Vegeta- 3,750,000,000,000
SSGSS- 187,500,000,000,000

Gohan- 90,000,000
SSJ- 4,500,000,000
Tien- 235,000
Krillin- 275,000
Master Roshi- 750
Buff- 1,500
Piccolo(Weighted)- 2,000,000,000
Full Power- 2,500,000,000
Jaco- 800

First Form Frieza(Just revived)- 420,000
Post Training- 10,000,000,000
Final Form- 2,250,000,000,000
Golden- 225,000,000,000,000
Tired- 150,000,000,000,000
Even More Tired- 120,000,000,000,000
Tired 4th Form- 1,200,000,000,000

Tagoma- 25,000
Shisami- 24,000
Post Training- 2,400,000,000
Sorbet- 1,000

Lord Beerus- 300,000,000,000,000
Whis- 450,000,000,000,000
(Still the same as before.)

Interesting list . Some observations:

I liked Kami being 270. He was above BoZ Tien and below weighted piccolo.
Movie 1 is perfect except Power-up Garlic jr is too low. He was barely defeated even after goku & Piccolo teamed up. He should be stronger than that.
Arent these saibaman clones too low? I mean they were giving roshi a lot of trouble & KO'd gohan.
The Bio-Warriors are TOO high. They can't be that much higher than roshi, who's a joke to daimao, who is a joke to popo, who's nothing to kami, who's nothing to BoZ goku, who's nothing to raditz, who's nothing to saiyan arc piccolo, who's nothing to nappa.
Actually, my placement for M-2 is a bit different than popular opinions, so i'll skip it.
Interesting, but post first fruit turles above FREEZA? He was just able to overpower goku, that's it.
You used the numbers from ginyu battle .
Cooler 4th form FP is too high. He shouldn't be above freeza already in his 4th form IMO. Also, SS goku vs cooler was a big gap. If you really go with 120-150 mil no.s, then the relative gap must be much larger here.
Even his 5th form was only said to surpass 100% injured freeza.
Interesting placement for krillin. But why gohan so low? Did he slack off?
Not watched meta-cooler, so
Veeta is too high. He was barely able to beat a weaker android while goku was fighting on par with a stronger android.
It seems like piccolo is kamiccolo.
Super 13 should be a little higher. He wasn't even bulged by kamiccolo's hits.
Piccolo is wayyyyyyyy too low. Piccolo must be higher than 1st RoSaT Vegeta / trunks. He should be like 1,300,000,000 by your numbers.
Blue bojack is too high man, he was barely able to beat piccolo and needed to transform to beat vegeta. His best feat is beating piccolo after a fight and not losing to vegeta before he transformed.
Green bojack is even too higher. He wasn't able to beat SUPER SAIYAN 1 gohan without his teammates' help. He was hurt by base goku's punch. His best feat is having a little upper hand on SS gohan and beating vegeta.
Videl is too high IMO. Where do you out BoDB goku? Except that, M 10 is perfect.
I feel like base gotenks is too low. Same for Super gogeta, he feels too low. Other than that, it is pretty good.
What's that? SS goku / vegeta below mystic gohan? Why? Why SS3 goku is barely above SS gotenks when what he did was VASTLY, VASTLY superior to SS3 gotenks. Hell, why is gohan above Gotenks? Gohan can do nothing but get one-shotted. Gotenks was able to "kill" hirdugarn.

Summary: pretty good list except M13, which seems messed up a lot, and a few issues pointed out above.

apex_pretador · Post by **apex_pretador** » Sat Apr 02, 2016 12:37 am

ahill1 wrote:@apex_pretador

Piccolo already knew the reason Trunks lost (due to him being Kamiccolo). Kamiccolo is not only able to sense their chi, but also exactly what's happening, like when he knew Kuririn broke the remote control.

but then why did he say this quote only AFTER cell bulked up & trunks powered down at the same instant? Also if I'm not wrong, he said that kami will lose the ability to see into the lower world?

388 (DBZ 194), P5.4
Piccolo: “H-he’s incredible…Cell in his perfect form…”

Not said until the bulking up of cell & trunks' powering down happened in the same instant. Also , if he was able to see them, then wh didn't he comment even once about the speed issue during the entire fight? Oh this is really inconsistent

ahill1 · Post by **ahill1** » Sat Apr 02, 2016 12:55 am

apex_pretador wrote:
ahill1 wrote:@apex_pretador

Piccolo already knew the reason Trunks lost (due to him being Kamiccolo). Kamiccolo is not only able to sense their chi, but also exactly what's happening, like when he knew Kuririn broke the remote control.
but then why did he say this quote only AFTER cell bulked up & trunks powered down at the same instant? Also if I'm not wrong, he said that kami will lose the ability to see into the lower world?

388 (DBZ 194), P5.4
Piccolo: “H-he’s incredible…Cell in his perfect form…”

Not said until the bulking up of cell & trunks' powering down happened in the same instant. Also , if he was able to see them, then wh didn't he comment even once about the speed issue during the entire fight? Oh this is really inconsistent

I think he saying Perfect Cell was incredible is not only referencing his pure strength, but also his smartness and cunning (Cell even said he would be complete in "everything", what includes more than strength IMO).

Kami would lose the ability because Piccolo would be the predominant part in the fusion. Kami would no longer "exist", I'd say. Only Piccolo would enjoy this hobby.

How strong do you think MSSJ Goku (50%) is? Stronger than SSJG3 Trunks? Or equal to warm up Perfect Cell?

apex_pretador · Post by **apex_pretador** » Sat Apr 02, 2016 4:48 am

ahill1 wrote: How strong do you think MSSJ Goku (50%) is?

Around as strong as cell who fought vegeta.

Stronger than SSJG3 Trunks?

Noo

Or equal to warm up Perfect Cell?

Yes. Neither was stated to be superior by vegeta, and both were one-step ahead of him.

I think he saying Perfect Cell was incredible is not only referencing his pure strength, but also his smartness and cunning (Cell even said he would be complete in "everything", what includes more than strength IMO).

It is too obvious weakness to realize. Goku realized without even trying. Piccolo is a genius himself as well.

DanielSSJ · Post by **DanielSSJ** » Sat Apr 02, 2016 1:31 pm

ThePiccolo wrote:Here is my movie power level list! Feedback is appreciated. And if you want to compare to them to my main story power levels, here: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... start=7531

Dead Zone
Spoiler:
Goku(Weighted)- 334
Unweighted- 416
Piccolo(Weighted)- 322
Unweighted- 408
Krillin- 206

Nicky- 220
Powered up- 286
Sansho- 215
Powered up- 280
Ginger- 210
Powered up- 273

Kami- 270
Garlic Jr- 325
Super Garlic- 455

Gohan- 1
Enraged- 1307
The World's Strongest
Spoiler:
Roshi- 139
Bio-Saibamen- 50

Goku- 8,200
KKx2- 16,400
KKx3- 24,600
KKx4- 32,800

Misokatsun- 4,300
Kishime- 7,000
Ebifurya- 7,500

Gohan- 1100
Krillin- 1770
Piccolo- 5,400
Mind Controlled- 8,100

Dr.Wheelo- 25,000
Power Rising- 37,500
The Tree of Might
Spoiler:
Goku- 32,000
KKx2- 64,000
KKx10- 320,000
1st Spirit Bomb- 400,000
2nd Spirit Bomb- 1,500,000

Piccolo(Weighted)- 18,000
Unweighted- 22,500
Gohan- 10,000
Tien- 6,000
Krillin- 5,200
Yamcha- 4,000
Chiaotzu- 2,500

Razin/Lakasei- 7,600 each
Cacao- 8,400
Amond- 9,100
Daiz- 13,000

Turles- 28,000
Post 1 Fruit- 560,000
Post 2 Fruits- 840,000
Lord Slug
Spoiler:
Goku- 90,000
False SSJ- 2,250,000
KKx100 (Piccolo's power)- 9,000,000

Piccolo(Weighted)- 48,000
Unweighted- 60,000
Krillin- 13,000
Gohan- 14,000

Doradabo- 35,000
Medamatcha- 40,000
Angila- 42,000

Old Slug- 70,000
Young Slug- 350,000
Giant Slug- 3,500,000
Cooler's Revenge
Spoiler:
Goku- 4,200,000
KKx20- 84,000,000
SSJ- 210,000,000

Piccolo(Weighted)- 1,600,000
Unweighted- 2,000,000
Gohan- 350,000
Krillin- 120,000

Neiz- 720,000
Dore- 780,000
Salza- 1,250,000

Cooler(4%)- 5,000,000
Full Power- 125,000,000
5th Form- 175,000,000
Return of Cooler
Spoiler:
Goku- 4,500,000
KKx20- 90,000,000
SSJ- 225,000,000
Vegeta- 4,800,000
SSJ- 240,000,000

Piccolo- 175,000,000
Gohan- 1,250,000
Krillin- 300,000

Meta Cooler- 200,000,000
Post Repair- 300,000,000
Super Android 13
Spoiler:
Goku- 4,500,000
SSJ- 225,000,000
Spirit Bomb Absorbed- 900,000,000
Vegeta- 4,800,000
SSJ- 240,000,000
Trunks- 3,900,000
SSJ- 195,000,000
Piccolo(Weighted)- 280,000,000
Unweighted- 350,000,000

Gohan- 1,250,000
Krillin- 300,000

Android 15- 210,000,000
Android 14- 160,000,000
Android 13- 250,000,000
Super Android 13- 450,000,000
Broly the Legendary Super Saiyan
Spoiler:
Goku- 30,000,000
SSJ- 1,500,000,000
Combined Power- 3,750,000,000
Vegeta- 21,000,000
SSJ- 1,050,000,000
ASSJ- 1,260,000,000
Trunks- 19,000,000
SSJ- 950,000,000
ASSJ- 1,140,000,000
Gohan- 14,000,000
SSJ- 700,000,000
Piccolo- 850,000,000

Paragus- 5,000

Broly- 35,000,000
Restrained SSJ- 1,050,000,000
SSJ- 1,750,000,000
LSSJ- 2,800,000,000
Bojack Unbound
Spoiler:
Gohan- 65,000,000
SSJ- 3,250,000,000
SSJ2- 6,500,000,000
Vegeta- 41,000,000
SSJ- 2,050,000,000
Trunks- 39,000,000
SSJ- 1,950,000,000
Piccolo- 1,600,000,000
Tien- 140,000
Krillin- 300,000
Yamcha- 85,000

Gokua- 750,000,000
Full Power- 1,125,000,000
Zangya- 1,200,000,000
Bido- 1,500,000,000
Bujin- 1,300,000,000

Bojack- 3,600,000,000
Full Power Bojack- 4,500,000,000
Broly Second Coming
Spoiler:
Gohan- 52,000,000
SSJ- 2,600,000,000
SSJ2- 4,875,000,000
Goten- 18,000,000
SSJ- 900,000,000
Trunks- 19,500,000
SSJ- 975,000,000

Broly- 74,000,000
SSJ- 3,700,000,000
LSSJ- 5,920,000,000

Krillin- 280,000
Videl- 19

Goku- 73,000,000
SSJ- 3,350,000,000
Bio-Broly

Spoiler:
Goten- 22,000,000
SSJ- 1,100,000,000
Trunks- 23,000,000
SSJ- 1,150,000,000
Android 18- 300,000,000
Krillin- 280,000

Mr.Satan- 14
Bio-Warriors- 500

Bio-Broly-17,500,000
SSJ- 875,000,000
LSSJ- 1,400,000,000
Fusion Reborn

Spoiler:
Goku- 75,000,000
SSJ- 3,750,000,000
SSJ2- 7,500,000,000
SSJ3- 30,000,000,000
Vegeta- 60,000,000
SSJ- 3,000,000,000
SSJ2- 6,000,000,000

Weighted Pikkon- 2,750,000,000

Mini-Janemba's- 1,000,000
Janemba- 18,750,000,000
Super Janemba- 37,500,000,000

SSJ Gogeta- 52,500,000,000

Gohan- 56,000,000
Videl- 18
Goten- 22,000,000
SSJ- 1,100,000,000
Trunks- 23,000,000
SSJ- 1,150,000,000
Gotenks- 385,000,000
SSJ- 19,250,000,000

Frieza(Suppressed)- 6,000,000
Wrath of the Dragon
Spoiler:
Goku- 78,000,000
SSJ- 3,900,000,000
SSJ2- 7,800,000,000
SSJ3- 31,200,000,000
Vegeta- 64,000,000
SSJ- 3,200,000,000
SSJ2- 6,400,000,000
Ultimate Gohan- 300,000,000,000
Goten- 40,000,000
SSJ- 2,000,000,000
Trunks- 42,000,000
SSJ- 2,100,000,000
Gotenks- 600,000,000
SSJ- 30,000,000,000
SSJ3- 240,000,000,000

Tapion- 65,000,000

Hirudegarn (1/2)- 90,000,000,000
Complete- 180,000,000,000
Super- 450,000,000,000

Dragon Fist- 1,190,000,000,000
Battle of Gods
Spoiler:
Goku-90,000,000
SSJ- 4,500,000,000
SSJ2- 9,000,000,000
SSJ3- 36,000,000,000
SSJ God (80%)- 144,000,000,000,000
Full Power- 180,000,000,000,000
God Ki absorbed- 2,900,000,000,000
SSJ w/God Ki- 145,000,000,000,000

Vegeta- 75,000,000
SSJ- 3,750,000,000
SSJ2- 7,500,000,000
Enraged- 7,500,000,000,000
Galick Gun- 15,000,000,000,000

Gohan- 100,000,000
SSJ- 5,000,000,000
Goten- 38,000,000
Trunks- 39,000,000
Gotenks- 570,000,000
SSJ- 28,500,000,000

Piccolo- 1,900,000,000
Krillin- 280,000
Tien- 225,000
Android 18- 300,000,000
Yamcha- 75,000
Good Buu- 15,000,000,000

Lord Beerus(1%/ Against Everyone)- 3,000,000,000,000
10%/Against Vegeta- 30,000,000,000,000
50%/Initially Against SSJ God Goku- 150,000,000,000,000
70%/Most Used Against God Goku- 210,000,000,000,000
Full Power- 300,000,000,000,000

Whis- 450,000,000,000,000
Resurrection F
Spoiler:
Goku- 3,900,000,000,000
SSGSS- 195,000,000,000,000
Vegeta- 3,750,000,000,000
SSGSS- 187,500,000,000,000

Gohan- 90,000,000
SSJ- 4,500,000,000
Tien- 235,000
Krillin- 275,000
Master Roshi- 750
Buff- 1,500
Piccolo(Weighted)- 2,000,000,000
Full Power- 2,500,000,000
Jaco- 800

First Form Frieza(Just revived)- 420,000
Post Training- 10,000,000,000
Final Form- 2,250,000,000,000
Golden- 225,000,000,000,000
Tired- 150,000,000,000,000
Even More Tired- 120,000,000,000,000
Tired 4th Form- 1,200,000,000,000

Tagoma- 25,000
Shisami- 24,000
Post Training- 2,400,000,000
Sorbet- 1,000

Lord Beerus- 300,000,000,000,000
Whis- 450,000,000,000,000
(Still the same as before.)

Seems mostly fine to me. A few issues though.
- Garlic Junior should be a bit stronger. He seemed stronger than Goku and Piccolo by a fair margin. I'd put him at about 600 give-or-take. Strong enough to beat them individually, but not strong enough to fend them both off at once or deal with their charged attacks.
- Lord Slug should be stronger, too. I believe after his youth was restored, Kaio described him as being even stronger than Freeza (most likely 1st Form Freeza), so 350,000 seems a bit low to me. Also, more of a personal preference than anything else, but I'd say that his old self should be at least on par with Ginyu.
- I'd definitely say that Evil Janemba and SS Gogeta should be significantly higher. The two of them should probably be somewhere in the Evil Boo/Ultimate Gohan class of strength, though that's just my opinion.
- Mr. Satan being in the tens seems a bit high to me, but it's not like that really matters, so whatever.
Other than that, a pretty good list.

ahill1 · Post by **ahill1** » Sat Apr 02, 2016 3:14 pm

Here's the problem with Goku MSSJ (50%) being equal to warm up Perfect Cell:

When Goku left the Rosat, Vegeta asked him if he could beat Cell. After Goku witnessed Cell in his Perfect Cell, he said "I probably cannot win". So, we have:

Perfect Cell >= MSSJ Goku

Trunks was surprised with Goku saying he could not beat Cell and said:

Trunks: It's...that powerful?...I was afraid of that...

So, Trunks was expecting Cell's true power to be a good deal stronger than that power Cell displayed against him and Vegeta:

Perfect Cell (estimated true power) >= MSSJ Goku (estimated true power) >>> Perfect Cell (vs Vegeta and Trunks)

Even so, the power Goku showed in Karin's tower (his 50%) did really surprised Trunks. At no time, Trunks thought that was not Goku's full power, until he heard Piccolo (post Rosat) being labeled by trash by Son Goku. So, we finally have:

Perfect Cell (estimated true power) >= MSSJ Goku (estimated true power) = MSSJ Goku (50%) >>> Perfect Cell (vs Vegeta and Trunks)

This is at the very least. Goku MSSJ (50%) could be even more powerful than Trunks' estimations of Goku's full power.

apex_pretador · Post by **apex_pretador** » Sun Apr 03, 2016 3:43 am

ahill1 wrote:Here's the problem with Goku MSSJ (50%) being equal to warm up Perfect Cell:

lets see:

When Goku left the Rosat, Vegeta asked him if he could beat Cell. After Goku witnessed Cell in his Perfect Cell, he said "I probably cannot win". So, we have:

Perfect Cell >= MSSJ Goku

which is obvious. However, Goku saying that doesn't mean that he himself believed that he can't beat cell. He still tried his best till he really lost. He also didn't want to get everyone's hopes up.

Trunks was surprised with Goku saying he could not beat Cell and said:

Trunks: It's...that powerful?...I was afraid of that...

When was that? I don't remember.

So, Trunks was expecting Cell's true power to be a good deal stronger than that power Cell displayed against him and Vegeta:

Perfect Cell (estimated true power) >= MSSJ Goku (estimated true power) >>> Perfect Cell (vs Vegeta and Trunks)

Even so, the power Goku showed in Karin's tower (his 50%) did really surprised Trunks. At no time, Trunks thought that was not Goku's full power, until he heard Piccolo (post Rosat) being labeled by trash by Son Goku. So, we finally have:

Perfect Cell (estimated true power) >= MSSJ Goku (estimated true power) = MSSJ Goku (50%) >>> Perfect Cell (vs Vegeta and Trunks)

This is at the very least. Goku MSSJ (50%) could be even more powerful than Trunks' estimations of Goku's full power.

OK, I'll take a look from another angle:

Chapter: 391 (DBZ 197), P13.1-2
Context: After sensing half of Full Power Super Saiyan Goku’s max power from a distance.
Vegeta (to self): “Damn you, Kakarot… It’s always like this… He’s always a step ahead of me…! It drives me crazy…Just when I think I’ve caught up, he widens the lead again…”
He's one step ahead of vegeta, and cell was like one step ahead of him too. "one step ahead" never used to depict incredible gaps.
And this is not even including the fact that vegeta might have known that it wasn't goku's full power. (Note: Ki sensors generally can tell if someone is at FP or not , in most cases, and vegeta is too good at ki sensing to not know that, compared to trunks.
Vegeta wasn't surprised that goku can't beat cell, neither was krillin (who sensed the power of PC in one hit from him). Also, I'd like to know when trunks said that.
Karin flat-out said he had 0 chance against cell, who hasn't even showed the slightest of his power.
During the entire time, trunks was like "does goku have a plan or what?" "Why is he so calm?"

On the points you showed, it may be interpreted in a different way as well (If trunks did say that)

Super trunks 44 < Super vegeta 48 << Cell (initial)55 ~= Goku (Karin)55 < Goku (Trunks' estimation) 60 < Cell (Vegeta's estimation 65 < Cell (Trunks' estimation) 78 < Grade 3 trunks 85 << Cell games goku 100

If we say CG Goku is 100, then it can follow the bolded numbers. You can put CG Vegeta / trunks at about 68-69.

Because it is heavily implied that CG Goku is the strongest ki from heroes part, and superior to grade 3 trunks.

ahill1 · Post by **ahill1** » Sun Apr 03, 2016 4:36 pm

However, Goku saying that doesn't mean that he himself believed that he can't beat cell. He still tried his best till he really lost. He also didn't want to get everyone's hopes up.

That's not the point though. The point is that the Z warriors were expecting Cell to be a bit stronger than Goku.

When was that? I don't remember.

Trunks did say that according to Viz. I don't have Viz's scan, but was in this moment:

Spoiler:

He's one step ahead of vegeta, and cell was like one step ahead of him too. "one step ahead" never used to depict incredible gaps.
And this is not even including the fact that vegeta might have known that it wasn't goku's full power. (Note: Ki sensors generally can tell if someone is at FP or not , in most cases, and vegeta is too good at ki sensing to not know that, compared to trunks.

"One step ahead" doesn't have to mean 50% Goku was only slightly stronger than Vegeta. Vegeta was basically saying Goku is stronger than him, the "one step ahead" is just a way to illustrate the Goku > Vegeta scenario IMO. Even if you believe 50% Goku = warm up Cell, that doesn't work, since warm up Cell was way stronger than Vegeta. The gap between Vegeta and warm up Cell was incredible.

Vegeta wasn't surprised that goku can't beat cell, neither was krillin (who sensed the power of PC in one hit from him).

Vegeta was a bit surprised. Look at the image again:

Spoiler:

Anyway, it doesn't matter, since it was before Vegeta sensed half of Goku's power. Kuririn was not even there in that moment.

During the entire time, trunks was like "does goku have a plan or what?" "Why is he so calm?"

Yeah, because Goku said he probably could not beat Cell. It has nothing to do with Cell's warm up power being > 50% Goku.

On the points you showed, it may be interpreted in a different way as well (If trunks did say that)

IMO it really cannot, because Trunks did not suspect 50% Goku was not 100% Goku until he witnessed Goku and Piccolo's conversation. Trunks was surprised with 50% Goku and did not know that Goku was hiding more power.

If anything, I'd say 50% Goku should be > Goku (Trunks' estimation), who already should be >> warm up Cell, based on his line earlier.

DBZGTKOSDH · Post by **DBZGTKOSDH** » Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:15 am

Updated my numbers for BoG/FnF/Super:

Notes:

I don't know if I'll make numbers for the arcs before Saiyan arc.
The Son Goku and Friends Return!! numbers are based on the manga adaptation, since Toriyama was more involved with it than the anime special.
The Battle of Gods & Resurrection "F" numbers are based on Toriyama's original scripts, not the movies or Super. So Shisami was never on par with Zarbon & Dodoria. We may not have the script for BoG, but based on the original promotional material, Toriyama's character designs, and how FnF turned out, my guess is that Gohan was originaly supposed to be a Super Saiyan against Beerus, so I'll go by that.
The Hakaishin Champa arc numbers are based on the manga by Toyotaro, since Toriyama has more involvement in this that the anime.
I may use numbers/statements/feats from the anime & guidebooks, but only when I personally feel like they fit with the manga/scripts.

Spoiler:

apex_pretador · Post by **apex_pretador** » Tue Apr 05, 2016 10:22 am

@DBZGTKOSDH

Golden freeza seems like barely a boost, why? He was implied to be a huge , HUGE HUGE HUGE boost.

#19 is too high and dr gero is too low.
The same vegeta, who one-shotted post absroptions #19 , was implied to lose against gero. Piccolo said the same thing as well. Not to mention that he doesn't lack confidence in fighting the androids, and if he is really THAT weak, wouldn't he instantly understands that they cant be the androids?

Also, did you really put CG SUPER SAIYAN gohan above full power perfect cell?

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Tue Apr 05, 2016 5:28 pm

apex_pretador wrote:Also, did you really put CG SUPER SAIYAN gohan above full power perfect cell? No disrespect man (seriously, don't mind) but this is laughable.

1) With or without the meaningless "no offense" modifier, can we please NOT do the "laughable" thing for something as subjective and ultimately meaningless as power level numbers? This isn't the type of community where they're unduly treated as serious business and opinions of them are worthy of derision.

2) Based on where DBZGTKOSDH placed Goku, that may not even be "full-power" Cell, just the power Cell used to fight Goku and Gohan before the latter went Super Saiyan 2.

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