Anybody else hypothesize this?

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 11:47 am

Androids 1-7 were designed for the Red Ribbon Army. Sgt Metallic worked for the RR Army. I feel that as a result of these 2 statements that Sgt Metallic may have been one of the first 7 androids.

Androids 9 and up were designed to kill Goku. Sure we see what 13 and up look like, but that still leaves us with 9, 10, 11 and 12 never seen. Both Dr Gero and Tao Pai Pai worked for the RR Army and wanted revenge on Goku. Since Tao Pai Pai is seen later on as an android, I felt that maybe Gero hooked him up as one, probably as #11 or #12 since we see cyborg Tao Pai Pai way later in the 23rd budoukai.

So? What does everyone else think?

Zackarotto · Post by **Zackarotto** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 1:19 pm

That would make sense. After all, Gero himself became one of the numbered androids, so Tao could, right? Although Tao didn't really work for the RRA, he was just a mercenary. Did they explain how Tao became a cyborg?

Metallic could have been a pre-8 android, but he wasn't looked at in fear like 8 was, so maybe he didn't contain the terror of an actual number, and wasn't designed by Gero himself. Hey, I don't know.

Why am I suddenly reminded of FF7?

SSJHitch · Post by **SSJHitch** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 5:23 pm

I think it's quite probable that Metallic was made by Gero. The reason that #8 was so peaceful could be the same reason as #16. That Gero concentrated too much on giving the android power, and overlooked the fact he may develop free will. And I agree that he was pre-#8 as after all he did guard a lower floor of Muscle Tower.

As for Tao Pie Pie, I don't think Gero did turn him into a cyborg, as like Zackarotto said he was just a mercinary. Then again, who else could perform that kind of transformation for someone. And Tao Pie Pie mentions that he spent all his money to do it, who's to say Gero didn't take that money and use it fund the creation of #9-#21?

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 7:13 pm

And Tao Pie Pie mentions that he spent all his money to do it, who's to say Gero didn't take that money and use it fund the creation of #9-#21?

Er, that would kind of be the point in transforming him.
A) Gero created another android so he's got all that info on how effective Tao is.
B) He hates Goku at least as much as Gero does, therefore Gero knows he may have created an android who will go kill Goku for him.
C) All the additional funding could go towards future androids if Tao Pai Pai fails.

number18 · Post by **number18** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 10:53 pm

Hmm, I am a firm believer that Cyborg Tao Pie Pie is not one of the Red Ribbon's or Gero's creations. The chart states that 9 through 15 were all problematic in one way. In other words, they were failures. I don't think Cyborg Tao Pie Pie could be considered a failure. Plus, he didn't bear the Red Ribbon logo, as every other Red Ribbon jinzouningen does.

Zackarotto · Post by **Zackarotto** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 11:05 pm

Ah yes, the RR logo. I forgot about that... Yes, it makes sense that Tao isn't one of them. But, what about Metallic? Did he have the RR logo on him? If not, did 8-chan have it either?

number18 · Post by **number18** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 10:37 am

I'd love to give my thoughts on Metallic but I don't remember the Red Ribbon saga that well. I remember Murasaki and fighting in Muscle Tower, but not much else. Ain't it sad...

SSJHitch · Post by **SSJHitch** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 11:12 am

Dayspring wrote:Er, that would kind of be the point in transforming him.

That's what I was on about

Zackarotto wrote:But, what about Metallic? Did he have the RR logo on him? If not, did 8-chan have it either?

Nope I don't think either of them did......
*runs off to check manga*
Nope niether had the Red Ribbon logo anywhere on them.

Zackarotto · Post by **Zackarotto** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 1:41 pm

Great, so you can say that just because Metallic doesn't have the logo, it doesn't mean he wasn't one of the numbers. However, Toriyama didn't mean for him to be a number, so he wasn't one. I'll just go with that.

Metallic was one of the first people he fought in Muscle Tower... Goku knocked off his head, and his fear of having accidentally killed the guy was quickly replaced by his confusion of all the wires in Metallic's head and the fact that he got up for more.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 5:17 pm

Just because Tao didn't have a RR logo on him when we saw him doesn't mean that Gero couldn't have put one on him. I imaging that Tao would have removed any logo put on him. I can't see him standing to be "badged".

And, don't forget, they replaced the RR logo on #16 with a Capsule Corp logo after they repaired him.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:13 pm

I know that 9-15 were problematic, but so were 16-18 according to that same page. I think Gero's version of perfection was an android at least as powerful as #19 that followed his orders. #16 may have been the strongest android, but it didn't exactly follow his orders. #17 and #18 just hated him completely. Concerning the logo, Tao Pai Pai was a hired assasin and not part of the RR army, so Gero just didn't put a logo on him.

number18 · Post by **number18** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:24 pm

Dayspring wrote:I know that 9-15 were problematic, but so were 16-18 according to that same page.

Yes, but Gero had the failures, 16, 17 and 18 all locked up. The only reason he activated the twins was out of pure desperation, and then 18 activated #16.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:26 pm

He only had them locked up until he had a chance to find a way to reprogram them.

number18 · Post by **number18** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:43 pm

Dayspring wrote:He only had them locked up until he had a chance to find a way to reprogram them.

Huh?

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:52 pm

number18 wrote:
Dayspring wrote:He only had them locked up until he had a chance to find a way to reprogram them.
Huh?

I think he meant that Gero only had them so he could have them "fixed" at a later date. Like you said, he activated 17 and 18 out of lack of options.

James R. Cadwell · Post by **James R. Cadwell** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:54 pm

Dayspring wrote:He only had them locked up until he had a chance to find a way to reprogram them.

Gero planned to kill Goku and company with the assistance of #19. Once those targets were dead, there would be no reason to activate the other "Artificial Humans".

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 9:55 pm

He actually says though that he wasn't wanting re-activate them again so soon, meaning that he was planning to eventually activate them once he had modified their programming.