Zombie wrote:Cabba can't be equal to Vegeta in base if Vegeta is superior in SSJ.
Vegeta was just toying with Cabba.
Why? From Herms episode summary:"Vegeta admits that the two of them seem evenly-matched in their base forms, but thinks it’s time they get serious. He tells Cabba to become a Super Saiyan".
Hugo Boss wrote:Good exhibition of Super Saiyan Cabba, he was fairly even with Super Saiyan Vegeta, if not a bit stronger. A shame Cabba's powers suddenly disappeared in the middle of the fight. It was not very spetacular but lasted enough to be good. Looking forward to see the other Saiyans and Cabba probably has the potential to become a Super Saiyan God through the ritual.
Why do you think so? I don't believe SSJ Cabba was even with Vegeta. Vegeta tanked a punch right in the forehead. He was only slightly surprised in the beginning that's why Cabba got some shots in.
Vegeta and Cabba are roughly even in their base forms, so the same is applied to them as Super Saiyans. Vegeta tanked that punch in the forehead because Cabba lost his Super Saiyan powers. I don't think Vegeta was holding back as a Super Saiyan. Showing Super Saiyan Blue so soon wouldn't have any point.
Zombie wrote:Cabba can't be equal to Vegeta in base if Vegeta is superior in SSJ.
Vegeta was just toying with Cabba.
Why? From Herms episode summary:"Vegeta admits that the two of them seem evenly-matched in their base forms, but thinks it’s time they get serious. He tells Cabba to become a Super Saiyan".
Because the SSJ multiplier for both of them is the same...
Zombie wrote:Cabba can't be equal to Vegeta in base if Vegeta is superior in SSJ.
Vegeta was just toying with Cabba.
Why? From Herms episode summary:"Vegeta admits that the two of them seem evenly-matched in their base forms, but thinks it’s time they get serious. He tells Cabba to become a Super Saiyan".
Because the SSJ multiplier for both of them is the same...
That is correct.
Vegeta was toying with Cabba, he was never worried about him. In actuality, he was kind of dissapointed hence why he wanted Cabba to transform into a SSJ. He probably was surprised at Cabba's SSJ strength initially, but in the end he knew he was superior.
Either Cabba's SSJ multiplier works differently or the above statement about Vegeta and Cabba being equal in power is incorrect.
Eh ? The arc is a continuation of Super not the movie.
But Toriyama wrote the arc as a continuation of the movie which he had previously written. Super's BoG and RoF arcs are just Toei's version on a story Toriyama wrote.
TOEI/Toriyama changed Tagoma from being a Zarbon tier to be above Piccolo tier so it shouldn't be impossible for them to bump FF. Freeza.
They practically just swapped Shisami's role for Tagoma's. That and they had Piccolo keep his weighted clothing on.
Easy enough to explain the two of them being more equal in base than Super Saiyan. This was Cabba's first transformation. He hasn't mastered Super Saiyan like the characters in our universe. Vegeta gets his full boost, but Cabba is still suffering from the transformation's initial negative side effects; part of his power is still being used to sustain the form.
Direct translations of the Korean DB Online timeline and guidebook.
My personal "canon" and BP list. (Coming Soon)
Bullza wrote:But Toriyama wrote the arc as a continuation of the movie which he had previously written. Super's BoG and RoF arcs are just Toei's version on a story Toriyama wrote.
Still doesn't change the fact that it's a continuation for the previous arcs.Toriyama is probably just the one who gives the major plot points of the arc.He doesn't write 100% of the content.Most of it was probably done by TOEI.Which explains why the manga and the anime version have the same story but the events are different.
Anime version of Champa Arc is just as "canon" as the previous arcs.While there are content that was Toriyama's.idea.Most of it was done by TOEI.
My point is.We''re in a about Super thread,so logically every time there's someone who will give a PL for a character who appears in both movies and Super,first comes to mind was that he was talking about the Super version.There's so many differences between the movies and the series version like the 10% Beerus,Ginyu returning,Universe clash etc that we don't even know which one is Toriyama's idea.ROF Freeza in Super was different from his movie counterpart.In the movie,we don't even know if Freeza can sense ki or not.
Bullza wrote:But Toriyama wrote the arc as a continuation of the movie which he had previously written. Super's BoG and RoF arcs are just Toei's version on a story Toriyama wrote.
Still doesn't change the fact that it's a continuation for the previous arcs.Toriyama is probably just the one who gives the major plot points of the arc.He doesn't write 100% of the content.Most of it was probably done by TOEI.Which explains why the manga and the anime version have the same story but the events are different.
Anime version of Champa Arc is just as "canon" as the previous arcs.While there are content that was Toriyama's.idea.Most of it was done by TOEI.
My point is.We''re in a about Super thread,so logically every time there's someone who will give a PL for a character who appears in both movies and Super,first comes to mind was that he was talking about the Super version.There's so many differences between the movies and the series version like the 10% Beerus,Ginyu returning,Universe clash etc that we don't even know which one is Toriyama's idea.ROF Freeza in Super was different from his movie counterpart.In the movie,we don't even know if Freeza can sense ki or not.
Exactly this.
We are in the Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread.
Eh I disagree. Super borrows heavily from Toriyama's movies, so if there's something Super doesn't explain well (Which is pretty much everything), than I think it's fine to let the movies fill in a gap.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Even though how atrocious episode 24 is,i watch the fight between Base Goku and FF. Freeza again.And by the looks of it,unlike in the movie where Goku completely dominated the fight.There fight in the episode was about even,Goku only lands like 1 - 2 hits which wasn't heavy blows while Freeza landed none and his hits was only when he attacked Kuririn and Bulma.So the statement of the narrator where it was implied that Final Form Freeza was at least equal to Base Goku works,at least for Super.
i'll go with something like.
Base Goku (ROF Arc) : 150 FF. Freeza (ROF Arc) : 150
Base Goku (ROF Movie) : 150 FF.Freeza (ROF Movie) : 120
On the other hand,i wonder how strong Hit will be.If he's going to completely dominate SSjBlue Vegeta then how will Goku do any better ? And what about Monaka ?
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because in rof arc I have both ssb goku/vegeta at 7 and golden frieza at 7.5
EDIT: Also it seems Vegeta is only testing/warming up in ssb against not even trying hit but then at the end ssb vegeta powers up so it will get serious and I am sure hit at least will warm up even although vegeta is tired a bit
Goku SS3 - 45, "Over the limit" (Hypothetical) - 60
Kid buu - 50
- Fat Buu was said to lose the majority of his power to Evil Buu, he couldn't have been as strong after the split as he was before
- Super Buu was waaaay stronger than that
- Piccolo's power could never hope to be 1/8 of Super Buu's power. I'd be very surprised if it was anywhere near 1/1000th, honestly
As for Cabba, he's clearly inferior to Vegeta, both in base and as a SSj. Remember that scene where he panted while Vegeta stood there laughing? I think Vegeta's comment about them being evenly matched was just so he could suggest going SSj.
Saturnine wrote:
- Piccolo's power could never hope to be 1/8 of Super Buu's power. I'd be very surprised if it was anywhere near 1/1000th, honestly.
are you serious?
I guess this is the only point he might have a good reason to adress. By your numbers, SS2 Goku would be at 15 and SS Goku at 7.5. Then, Piccolo probably should be much lower than that, considering the three Super Saiyans are stronger than Kaioshin and Kaioshin is stronger than Piccolo.
The others are okay. Though, I would probably not put Evil Boo at any different level from Good Boo's at split point.
Of course most of these numbers work fairly well if we drastically reduce most SSj multipliers, but on these forums the majority seems not to subscribe to the decreasing multiplier hypothesis.
