The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by supercat » Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:01 pm

GT Piccolo, GT Cell, and GT Frieza - gauntlet

Round 1: each fighter attempts to clear the gauntlet individually.
Round 2: all three fighters put aside their differences and seamlessly work together as a team.

Dabura
Majin Vegeta
SSJ2 Goku
Mr. Buu
Gray Buu
Majin Buu (against Majin Vegeta)
SSJ Gotenks (post RoSaT)
SSJ3 Goku
Kid Buu
Super Buu
SSJ3 Gotenks
Buff Buu
Super Janemba
Buutenks
Buuhan
Base Vegetto
SSJ Gogeta
SSJ Vegetto

Note: no metamorphosis-inducing attacks.

My speculation: With the exclusion of SSJ Vegetto, Piccolo clears the list without batting an eye. When all is said and done, GT's new and improved incarnation of the Namekian may be a bit too much for even DBZ's finest (could go either way though).

Cell and Frieza would both go down against SSJ Vegetto after putting up a subjectively decent fight. Meaning, they'd connect a handful of damage-inflicting attacks before getting trashed.

As for round 2, the trio's collaboration should be be more than enough to effortlessly beat the fusion out of SSJ Gogeta while casually incinerating SSJ Vegetto.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Analytic » Mon Apr 04, 2016 6:24 pm

supercat wrote:GT Piccolo, GT Cell, and GT Frieza - gauntlet

Round 1: each fighter attempts to clear the gauntlet individually.
Round 2: all three fighters put aside their differences and seamlessly work together as a team.
Round 1: Any of them could easily defeat anyone on the gauntlet aside from SS Vegetto.
Round 2: I think the three working together could narrowly win against SS Vegetto.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by hellobooboo14 » Mon Apr 04, 2016 7:31 pm

Ssj Cabba vs Ssj Goku GT
Hit vs Golden Frieza (without stamina issues)
Ssj Blue Vegeta from Champa arc vs Golden Frieza from FnF arc

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Lord Beerus » Mon Apr 04, 2016 8:12 pm

hellobooboo14 wrote:Ssj Cabba vs Ssj Goku GT
Hit vs Golden Frieza (without stamina issues)
Ssj Blue Vegeta from Champa arc vs Golden Frieza from FnF arc
- Cabba gets wrecked. Hell, Base Goku could destroy SSJ Cabba.
- The jury still out, because we don't know the extent of how badly Hit beats SSJB Vegeta, if Hit tanks and withstands everything SSJB Vegeta throws at him, then I'd rank Hit above Golden Freeza, by that virtue he would beat Golden Freeza.
- I personally think SSJB Goku/Vegeta haven't surpassed Golden Freeza. I think they became on par with their strength, by that believe this a flip-a-coin match. Flips a coin. SSJB Vegeta.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by pacz360 » Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:20 pm

hellobooboo14 wrote:Ssj Cabba vs Ssj Goku GT
Hit vs Golden Frieza (without stamina issues)
Ssj Blue Vegeta from Champa arc vs Golden Frieza from FnF arc
Cabba wins narrowly, hit wins, vegeta bitchslaps golden freeza in a good fight.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Hellspawn28 » Mon Apr 04, 2016 11:59 pm

SSJ Cabba vs... (In no real order):

LSSj Movie 10 Broli
Majin Vegeta
SSj2 Cell Saga Gohan
Fat Buu
SSj3 Buu saga Goku
Super Buu
SSj3 Gotenks
Mystic Gohan
SSj Vegito
ROF Final Form Freeza
SSjG Goku
Golden Freeza

Who can he beat?
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Khin » Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:01 am

Hellspawn28 wrote:SSJ Cabba vs... (In no real order):

LSSj Movie 10 Broli
Majin Vegeta
SSj2 Cell Saga Gohan
Fat Buu
SSj3 Buu saga Goku
Super Buu
SSj3 Gotenks
Mystic Gohan
SSj Vegito
ROF Final Form Freeza
SSjG Goku
Golden Freeza

Who can he beat?
One shots everyone until hitting a brick wall at SSG Goku.

SSj3 Gotenks < 1st Form Freeza <<<< Final Form Freeza = Base Goku [ROF Arc] < Base Cabba <<<< SSj Cabba

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Pocket-God » Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:14 am

Hellspawn28 wrote:SSJ Cabba vs... (In no real order):

LSSj Movie 10 Broli
Majin Vegeta
SSj2 Cell Saga Gohan
Fat Buu
SSj3 Buu saga Goku
Super Buu
SSj3 Gotenks
Mystic Gohan
SSj Vegito
ROF Final Form Freeza
SSjG Goku
Golden Freeza

Who can he beat?
Yeah from what I've seen lately, I'm gonna assume he can't beat anyone on this list.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by supercat » Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:28 am

Analytic wrote:
supercat wrote:GT Piccolo, GT Cell, and GT Frieza - gauntlet

Round 1: each fighter attempts to clear the gauntlet individually.
Round 2: all three fighters put aside their differences and seamlessly work together as a team.
Round 1: Any of them could easily defeat anyone on the gauntlet aside from SS Vegetto.
Round 2: I think the three working together could narrowly win against SS Vegetto.
It's nice to see someone acknowledge GT Piccolo's power.

And yes I agree. Piccolo could be anywhere from several notches above Buuhan to a tier or two above or below SSJ Vegetto, while Cell and Frieza are also likely capable of wiping out even the toughest of all Buus.

Piccolo - 100
Cell / Frieza - 50
Final Form Rild - 45
Base Rild - 35
Buuhan - 32?

Do those numbers work in your opinion?

New battles:

GT Frieza - First Form vs the following:

Dabura
Super Perfect Cell
Base Gotenks (post RoSaT)
Majin Vegeta
Mr. Buu
Gray Buu

Second Form Frieza vs the following:

Majin Buu (against Majin Vegeta)
SSJ Gotenks (post RoSaT)
SSJ3 Goku (Buu arc)
Kid Buu
Super Buu

If you feel it's too overwhelming for his second form, go ahead and boost him up to third form.

My speculation: First Form Frieza clears his list with minimal effort. Second Form Frieza would probably rush through his list before getting trumped by SSJ3 Goku. If we factor Third Form Frieza into the equation, everyone on that list gets one-shotted. I personally adhere to the following:

First Form Frieza = a few notches above Gray Buu, but notably weaker than Majin Buu (against Majin Vegeta).

Second Form Frieza = a tier above SSJ Gotenks but not quite strong enough to tangle with SSJ3 Goku; I have the anime incarnation of the latter stronger than the former by a small margin.

Third Form Frieza = on par with Base Rild on the low end, but could very well be in the same realm of power as Second Form Rild.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Tue Apr 05, 2016 1:15 am

Hellspawn28 wrote:SSJ Cabba vs... (In no real order):

LSSj Movie 10 Broli
Majin Vegeta
SSj2 Cell Saga Gohan
Fat Buu
SSj3 Buu saga Goku
Super Buu
SSj3 Gotenks
Mystic Gohan
SSj Vegito
ROF Final Form Freeza
SSjG Goku
Golden Freeza

Who can he beat?
No one.

My opinion might change latter on.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Khin » Tue Apr 05, 2016 1:20 am

Kami [If his youth have been restored] vs. Piccolo [23rd TB]

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Hugo Boss » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:10 am

Hellspawn28 wrote:SSJ Cabba vs... (In no real order):

LSSj Movie 10 Broli
Majin Vegeta
SSj2 Cell Saga Gohan
Fat Buu
SSj3 Buu saga Goku
Super Buu
SSj3 Gotenks
Mystic Gohan
SSj Vegito
ROF Final Form Freeza
SSjG Goku
Golden Freeza

Who can he beat?
I think he can beat most of this characters. But Vegetto, Super Saiyan God and Golden Freeza is just too much. I don't see SSB Vegeta being able to one shot Super Vegetto like he did with SS Cabba.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Lord Beerus » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:37 am

Hellspawn28 wrote:SSJ Cabba vs... (In no real order):

LSSj Movie 10 Broli
Majin Vegeta
SSj2 Cell Saga Gohan
Fat Buu
SSj3 Buu saga Goku
Super Buu
SSj3 Gotenks
Mystic Gohan
SSj Vegito
ROF Final Form Freeza
SSjG Goku
Golden Freeza

Who can he beat?
Get's his ass kicked by everyone. He could do shit against regular SSJ Vegeta, who wasn't even trying to fight him.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by apex_pretador » Tue Apr 05, 2016 10:16 am

supercat wrote:GT Piccolo, GT Cell, and GT Frieza - gauntlet

Round 1: each fighter attempts to clear the gauntlet individually.
Round 2: all three fighters put aside their differences and seamlessly work together as a team.

Dabura
Majin Vegeta
SSJ2 Goku
Mr. Buu
Gray Buu
Majin Buu (against Majin Vegeta)
SSJ Gotenks (post RoSaT)
SSJ3 Goku
Kid Buu
Super Buu
SSJ3 Gotenks
Buff Buu
Super Janemba
Buutenks
Buuhan
Base Vegetto
SSJ Gogeta
SSJ Vegetto

Note: no metamorphosis-inducing attacks.

My speculation: With the exclusion of SSJ Vegetto, Piccolo clears the list without batting an eye. When all is said and done, GT's new and improved incarnation of the Namekian may be a bit too much for even DBZ's finest (could go either way though).

Cell and Frieza would both go down against SSJ Vegetto after putting up a subjectively decent fight. Meaning, they'd connect a handful of damage-inflicting attacks before getting trashed.

As for round 2, the trio's collaboration should be be more than enough to effortlessly beat the fusion out of SSJ Gogeta while casually incinerating SSJ Vegetto.
Baby arc piccolo or EoGT Piccolo?
Baby arc piccolo gets stomped by post RoSaT Gotenks unless he manages to survive 30 minutes, and gets one-shotted by SS3 goku or kid buu.

GT Cell stops at super buu or buff buu (he can last 5 minutes against gotenks).
GT freeza AND cell stop at buutenks.

EoGT Piccolo stops at SS Gogeta,
Team stops at SS Vegetto (all they have to do is survive 30 mins vs GoGeTa, and I believe that cell's regen can do the trick)

hellobooboo14 wrote:Ssj Cabba vs Ssj Goku GT
Hit vs Golden Frieza (without stamina issues)
Ssj Blue Vegeta from Champa arc vs Golden Frieza from FnF arc
Cabba wins. However, if goku is allowed to power-up to his base form, then he one-shots.

Golden Freeza and hit both stomped a SSB. We need next ep to answer that. Don't worry, I'll answer after next ep.

Golden freeza gets tired, loses his golden form after a beatdown and then blows up the planet. He survives and wins technically.

Hellspawn28 wrote:SSJ Cabba vs... (In no real order):

LSSj Movie 10 Broli
Majin Vegeta
SSj2 Cell Saga Gohan
Fat Buu
SSj3 Buu saga Goku
Super Buu
SSj3 Gotenks
Mystic Gohan
SSj Vegito
ROF Final Form Freeza
SSjG Goku
Golden Freeza

Who can he beat?
Destroys everything upto gohan.

Vegetto - can go either way

Defeats freeza then dies in space

Gets one-shotted.

Gets blown apart like krillin on namek.
supercat wrote: New battles:

GT Frieza - First Form vs the following:

Dabura
Super Perfect Cell
Base Gotenks (post RoSaT)
Majin Vegeta
Mr. Buu
Gray Buu

Second Form Frieza vs the following:

Majin Buu (against Majin Vegeta)
SSJ Gotenks (post RoSaT)
SSJ3 Goku (Buu arc)
Kid Buu
Super Buu

If you feel it's too overwhelming for his second form, go ahead and boost him up to third form.

My speculation: First Form Frieza clears his list with minimal effort. Second Form Frieza would probably rush through his list before getting trumped by SSJ3 Goku. If we factor Third Form Frieza into the equation, everyone on that list gets one-shotted. I personally adhere to the following:
Not sure, but here's where I'd put him:

First form defeats Dabura if he doesn't gets spitted.
Second form defeats no one on the list.
Third form defeats gotenks due to his time limit and gets a few good hits in SS3 goku.
Final form beats SS3 goku, kid buu and puts up a heavy-set fight against super buu.
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Kami gets obliterated.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta » Tue Apr 05, 2016 10:25 am

Everyone Vs Piccolo right after he cheap shotted Goku during the countdown. It kills Goku, they're all that's left.
No Kami suicide allow.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by apex_pretador » Tue Apr 05, 2016 10:31 am

LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:Everyone Vs Piccolo right after he cheap shotted Goku during the countdown. It kills Goku, they're all that's left.
No Kami suicide allow.
The team's only hope is to get krillin's powerful chasing hit piccolo while tien distracts him with a KiKoHo. That'd weaken him enough to probably get Kami fight him on equal footing. Also, Roshi must try to hit him with an off-guard full powered buff KHH as he can't do anything else.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta » Tue Apr 05, 2016 10:56 am

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LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:Everyone Vs Piccolo right after he cheap shotted Goku during the countdown. It kills Goku, they're all that's left.
No Kami suicide allow.
The team's only hope is to get krillin's powerful chasing hit piccolo while tien distracts him with a KiKoHo. That'd weaken him enough to probably get Kami fight him on equal footing. Also, Roshi must try to hit him with an off-guard full powered buff KHH as he can't do anything else.

You know they kept saying they had no chance, but with how wakened he looked I honestly think it might have been over exaggerated. I mean at full power he roflstomps but when he was so damaged, I think they'd have a dang good chance to win if you ask me. And it'd be a nice fight to see! :D
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by apex_pretador » Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:03 am

LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:it'd be a nice fight to see! :D
Agreed


but on the chance part, I think we must skip the "numbers" part at BoZ. Piccolo said he's stronger than a thousand of them, GoD INCLUDED.
Everyone said that they could attack him at once and it'd not be effective. I see it like post spirit bomb 50% Freeza or post tail-cutting vegeta against everyone. The numbers are too high in BoZ for krillin, Tien and ESPECIALLY roshi, compared to BoZ goku & Piccolo. But again, I think BoZ goku might've a PL of 924, which was when he fired the KHH.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta » Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:13 am

apex_pretador wrote:
LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:it'd be a nice fight to see! :D
Agreed


but on the chance part, I think we must skip the "numbers" part at BoZ. Piccolo said he's stronger than a thousand of them, GoD INCLUDED.
Everyone said that they could attack him at once and it'd not be effective. I see it like post spirit bomb 50% Freeza or post tail-cutting vegeta against everyone. The numbers are too high in BoZ for krillin, Tien and ESPECIALLY roshi, compared to BoZ goku & Piccolo. But again, I think BoZ goku might've a PL of 924, which was when he fired the KHH.

He also called himself INFINITELY stronger....so um, yeah quotes never really meant anything in dragonball if you ask me, and power levels are kind of banannas, I mean goku at the end of dragonball not being even 100x stronger then a human? No daizenshuu....no beginning of Z goku's power level....just no.

But if you go by those #'s, they were in the 200's, and goku beat him down to like half his lift, which'd make him in the 100's, something even Roshi was, I say that'd win based on that, Even though I personally don't go for power levels.

I say Damaged Piccolo would put up a good fight but lose, especially since it's ball where technique>>>>power levels. That was when skilled matter and it wasn't a dong measuring contest with power levels...I actually prefer it that way TBH.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DanielSSJ » Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:17 am

LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:Everyone Vs Piccolo right after he cheap shotted Goku during the countdown. It kills Goku, they're all that's left.
No Kami suicide allow.
Judging from Piccolo's confidence when it looked like Goku qctually did die, I'd say he would still win. It wouldn't be that easy, especially with God there, but I think Piccolo would eventually come out on top in the end.

Also, it is possible to get the piwer levels to work if you go with BoZ Goku's full power being 924, rather than 416. It gives you a lot more space to maneuver.
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