Which Super Saiyan form did Gohan use against Dabra?

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Never quite understood that. Both of them are under the impression that they can beat Dabra, but I don't recall anyone saying anything about the other guy being capable of it.

Neither had become a Super Saiyan at that point, so it's impossible for them to know what the other is capable of.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Well, he made a big deal about showing Kibito Ssj2, as if he hadn't shown it before. Likewise, Kibito, Spopovitch, and Yam all acted like it was their first time witnessing that power coming from him at all.

Gohan was trying to restrain himself before he transformed, so I don't think that he was displaying his full power, unlike against Kibito.

Additionally, when Gohan tried pulling the Z Sword out and transformed, Kibito specifically referred to what he transformed into as Super Saiya-jin, and it was still the same hair design he showed at the Budoukai.

Kaioshin also said that Gohan was a Super Saiyan back when he had paralyzed him against Kibito, yet we know that he was a Super Saiyan 2. Kaioshin & Kibito don't know much about Super Saiyan.

There is a clear distinction between him turning into SSj while watching Videl and then turning Ssj2 in front of Kibito. What is presented in the tournament itself is clear enough.

Unless they say somewhere something like "Gohan became a regular Super Saiyan!", then it's not clear enough.

[rereboy]

Unless they say somewhere something like "Gohan became a regular Super Saiyan!", then it's not clear enough.

Like it was stated, in the Kaioshin realm Gohan is commented to be a SSJ and he has the same hair.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Like it was stated, in the Kaioshin realm Gohan is commented to be a SSJ and he has the same hair.

Kibito doesn't know what a Super Saiyan 2 is. Unless if Gohan was a regular Super Saiyan against Kibito, since that's what Kaioshin says.

[rereboy]

Like it was stated, in the Kaioshin realm Gohan is commented to be a SSJ and he has the same hair.

Kibito doesn't know what a Super Saiyan 2 is. Unless if Gohan was a regular Super Saiyan against Kibito, since that's what Kaioshin says.

Gohan litteraly told him that he was going to show him something that surpassed SSJ and then showed him SSJ2 at the tournament... C'mon, man, anyone can see that his hairstyle is not consistent at all.

[Gorou]

The term "SSJ 2" is an invention of Goku. Before his explanation to Boo, the stadium was referred to as "SSJ over the limit" or "exceeded SSJ"

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Gohan litteraly told him that he was going to show him something that surpassed SSJ and then showed him SSJ2 at the tournament...

OK, so if Gohan was a Super Saiyan 2 when he drew the Z-Sword, what would you expect Kibito to call him? Kibito has never even seen a regular Super Saiyan, he doesn't even know the difference between SS & SS2 because he barely knows anything about Super Saiyans.

C'mon, man, anyone can see that his hairstyle is not consistent at all.

You can have your opinion, and that's fine. But IMO, it is the aura that is not consistent, not the hairstyle. Ever since the tournament started, Gohan's hairstyle looked the same every time he transformed, and different from the SS hairstyle he had before the tournament. It makes much more sense story-wise, IMO, if Gohan was a Super Saiyan 2 in most of these occasions. So, IMO, Gohan was a Super Saiyan 2 in all these occasions; when he almost attacked Spopovitch, when he was supposed to fight Kibito, when he fought Dabra, when he tried to prevent Majin Boo's revival & fought Majin Boo, when he drew the Z-Sword, and when he was training with the Z-Sword.

[rereboy]

OK, so if Gohan was a Super Saiyan 2 when he drew the Z-Sword, what would you expect Kibito to call him? Kibito has never even seen a regular Super Saiyan, he doesn't even know the difference between SS & SS2 because he barely knows anything about Super Saiyans.

If it was exactly what he used in the tournament, logic dictates that he would refer to it exactly as Gohan called it. The fact that he doesn't, seems to suggest that it's different, not to mention that it also seems to suggest that the author is using Kibito to call it SSj on purpose.

You can have your opinion, and that's fine. But IMO, it is the aura that is not consistent, not the hairstyle. Ever since the tournament started, Gohan's hairstyle looked the same every time he transformed, and different from the SS hairstyle he had before the tournament. It makes much more sense story-wise, IMO, if Gohan was a Super Saiyan 2 in most of these occasions. So, IMO, Gohan was a Super Saiyan 2 in all these occasions; when he almost attacked Spopovitch, when he was supposed to fight Kibito, when he fought Dabra, when he tried to prevent Majin Boo's revival & fought Majin Boo, when he drew the Z-Sword, and when he was training with the Z-Sword.

It would make sense but the consistency simply isn't there. You are forcefully trying to make it fit by saying that he was always a SSj 2 in every single moment of the Buu saga except before the tournament, but it's not really suported by the manga, imo.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

If it was exactly what he used in the tournament, logic dictates that he would refer to it exactly as Gohan called it. The fact that he doesn't, seems to suggest that it's different, not to mention that it also seems to suggest that the author is using Kibito to call it SSj on purpose.

That is assuming that Kibito even knows the difference. Kaioshin couldn't tell the difference, and called SS2 Gohan a Super Saiyan.

It would make sense but the consistency simply isn't there. You are forcefully trying to make it fit by saying that he was always a SSj 2 in every single moment of the Buu saga except before the tournament, but it's not really suported by the manga, imo.

Let's just agree that we disagree then. There is not a definitive answer in this debate after all.

[rereboy]

That is assuming that Kibito even knows the difference. Kaioshin couldn't tell the difference, and called SS2 Gohan a Super Saiyan.

You are not only assuming that Kibito would do that mistake instead of just calling it what Gohan called it, but you are also assuming that the author intentionally made Kibito make that mistake with no purpose to it in the story and without correcting him later, instead of just using the character for exposition.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

That is assuming that Kibito even knows the difference. Kaioshin couldn't tell the difference, and called SS2 Gohan a Super Saiyan.

You are not only assuming that Kibito would do that mistake instead of just calling it what Gohan called it, but you are also assuming that the author intentionally made Kibito make that mistake with no purpose to it in the story and without correcting him later, instead of just using the character for exposition.

I'm making this assumption because it has happened before.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Gohan: "So why were Spopovitch and Yamu at the tournament? And what did they do to me?"

Kibito: "Boo has been sealed away for a very long time. To resurrect him, Bobbidi needs a tremendous amount of pure energy. He knew he could tap such energy quickly at the tournament. You were a perfect source when you turned Super Saiyan. Just as we anticipated."

As mentioned, both of them refer to the form as a Super Saiyan. Nothing more to it than that.

[Son_Gohan]

If it was exactly what he used in the tournament, logic dictates that he would refer to it exactly as Gohan called it. The fact that he doesn't, seems to suggest that it's different, not to mention that it also seems to suggest that the author is using Kibito to call it SSj on purpose.

Gohan referred to the form as just "Super Saiyan" as well:

[Kuririn Fan]

If it was exactly what he used in the tournament, logic dictates that he would refer to it exactly as Gohan called it. The fact that he doesn't, seems to suggest that it's different, not to mention that it also seems to suggest that the author is using Kibito to call it SSj on purpose.

Gohan referred to the form as just "Super Saiyan" as well:

No, he says that hes going to surpass the Super Saiyan (take it even further beyond) and you can see the electricity.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

That's what he says before he transforms. He still refers to the form itself as Super Saiyan, though.

[Kuririn Fan]

That's what he says before he transforms. He still refers to the form itself as Super Saiyan, though.

In translations i have he says : "I've surpassed a normal Super Saiyan. What do you want to do now? Fight me?"
Kanzenshuu Manga guide chapter 444 - Back in the ring, Gohan says he’ll turn Super Saiyan, even though he doesn’t know why. In fact, he’ll go even further and go over the wall of Super Saiyan. Kibito is shocked to hear there’s something beyond Super Saiyan. Gohan ramps it up and transforms all the way up to that stage, shocking everyone.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Interesting. When Kibito was telling Gohan about Spopovitch and Yamu, did he say Super Saiyan there?

[Kuririn Fan]

Interesting. When Kibito was telling Gohan about Spopovitch and Yamu, did he say Super Saiyan there?

Viz was right, he says just Super Saiyan after he transforms, but before he transformed he said that hes going to surpass the Super Saiyan.
And Kibito says just Super Saiyan.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Alright, thanks.

[Kuririn Fan]

Alright, thanks.

SS2 probably wasnt a thing at that time, it was just a "Super Saiyan that has further overcome the Super Saiyan wall" untill Goku named it. But every time SS2 is drawn in the manga you can see the lighting aura, which wasnt present against Dabra.