Super Animation Catalogue 2.0

[Cursemark505]

Dragon ball movies are good but not phenomenal in terms on animation.
Dragon ball Super is one of the rare modern day series which hasn't had episodes comparable to/better than them.

It is funny how people compare the worst picture of super they could find to the best of Z. That's so stupid it hurts.

[PMD]

It is funny how people compare the worst picture of super they could find to the best of Z. That's so stupid it hurts.

I couldn't have said it any better.

Let's go back to the interesting talk...

[Ajay]

Let's go back to the interesting talk...

Definitely.

We just got the supervisor name for the episode after Tate's. It's going to be lead by Yukihiro Kitano, and going by Twitter, it'll likely have Otsuka Ken providing some key animation, too.

Ken's potential presence is the only thing keeping me excited. I'm not a huge fan of Kitano, and the last full episode he worked on was Super's worst-looking episode: Episode 24.

He had a part in Toma's #33, but to what extent, I can't really say. I'm hoping only having to handle half an episode will mean he's had a good number of weeks to work on this upcoming one.

But... If Ken's tweets about a rushed production are referring to Super... Well, that's not exactly reassuring.

I'm hoping it'll be great. It really needs to be now that we're heading into what appears to be climactic territory. Fingers crossed!

[Wezenheim]

Let's go back to the interesting talk...

Definitely.

We just got the supervisor name for the episode after Tate's. It's going to be lead by Yukihiro Kitano, and going by Twitter, it'll likely have Otsuka Ken providing some key animation, too.

Ken's potential presence is the only thing keeping me excited. I'm not a huge fan of Kitano, and the last full episode he worked on was Super's worst-looking episode: Episode 24.

He had a part in Toma's #33, but to what extent, I can't really say. I'm hoping only having to handle half an episode will mean he's had a good number of weeks to work on this upcoming one.

But... If Ken's tweets about a rushed production are referring to Super... Well, that's not exactly reassuring.

Yeah, it seems as though Ken has been tweeting about struggling with a project for a while now, I'm excited to see his work but I'm also kinda nervous. It really sucks that we can't get all these talented people at their best. My fingers are crossed. Not a big fan of Kitano either. At his best, he's pretty meh.

[PMD]

Why you guys don't like Kitano's work? Aside of the bad looking episode 24, he did ep. 1, 7 and 19, which looks pretty awesome to me. And his work with Toma, I like it too.

Yukihiro Kitano

Spoiler:

Ep. 1

Ep. 7

Ep. 19

Ep. 24

** He also worked on part of episode 33 with Seizo Toma. You can find the image listed under Toma's heading. **

Seizo Toma

Spoiler:

Ep. 4

Ep. 33 (with Yukihiro Kitano)

Ajay, do you have one of your great examples with videos of some of the best Kitano's work? Or maybe some about parts you don't like?

PS (off topic): Does this Kitano have something to do with Takeshi Kitano, the amazing filmaker?

[Ajay]

Kitano just hasn't really done anything to impress me. His only "redeeming" feature is that he can mimic Yamamuro's style perfectly. He's yet to actually show us anything particularly interesting animation-wise. So while his episodes can certainly look on-model, he hasn't done anything that yells, "Hey guys, I can actually animate, too!"

He's like a margherita pizza -- tasty enough, but not anything to write home about. With Ken Otsuka there, I'm hoping he'll provide some interesting toppings.

[Wezenheim]

Ajay summed my own thoughts up pretty well. His models are usually okay, but I'm not sure if I've ever been overly impressed by anything in a Kitano led episode before. That could just be the people under him, but I don't know. It should be interesting to see how well him and Ken Ootsuka work together. Even Shimanuki, someone who draws the characters in a way I don't usually like (except for Piccolo, I love Shimanuki's Piccolo), has improved a bit and has even had a few moments in his past couple of episodes that were pretty cool.

[DragonHermit]

Has anyone gotten ahold of the blu-ray/dvds of season 2 of DBS? Have they corrected the Goku/Frieza fight?

[Ajay]

Has anyone gotten ahold of the blu-ray/dvds of season 2 of DBS? Have they corrected the Goku/Frieza fight?

Yeah, I've looked through them all. The set contains no corrections at all.

[DragonHermit]

Has anyone gotten ahold of the blu-ray/dvds of season 2 of DBS? Have they corrected the Goku/Frieza fight?

Yeah, I've looked through them all. The set contains no corrections at all.

Really? None at all? I know they fixed up E5, but RoF fight was almost as bad. Should've been fixed.

[Nejishiki]

Did that battle receive as many complaints? I recall the infamous Episode 5 made at least one news story, but nothing else about the quality of certain episodes were as noticed to my knowledge.

[Bansho64]

Tate's directing the next two episodes right?

[Ajay]

Nope, just the next one. Kitano's doing 39.

[saiyanvegetable]

I think you guys are overreacting. Go watch one of the first episodes of DBZ and there are bad things too. The models aren't great and some moves too. Some people is talking like DBZ was perfect but it has plenty of problems in terms of animation. That's just nostalgia talking.

Even Z's worst moments are way better in terms of quality compared to Super's. There's no nostalgia talking here. Take a look at Ajays compilation of all of Zs worst scenes.

But Super's best are also better than Z's best, so it's a two way street.

Thats the dumbest, most biased thing I've heard in a while.

[Super Saiyan Swagger]

But Super's best are also better than Z's best, so it's a two way street.

Thats the dumbest, most biased thing I've heard in a while.

Wow man, no need to be a complete asshole about it. Don't agree with what Draconic said? That's fine. You can tell him why you disagree instead of completely putting him down for saying something that you don't agree with.

And besides, Naoki Tate's cut in Episode 26 of Dragon Ball Super is one of the best animated cuts I've seen in this series. Dragon Ball Super's animation isn't garbage as so many people consider it to be. It's just an inconsistent mess, leaning more towards the ugly side more often than not. It's had its good moments though.

[DragonHermit]

The overrating of DBZ's animation here is just I never paid attention to animation until E5, but if you look back on it a lot of scenes in DBZ and DBGT had terrible artwork. Of course DBZ was much more consistent than DBS, considering the stature of the series back then.

But since E5 was fixed, the Goku/Frieza and Goku/Botamo fights are the only major blemishes. The rest of Champa arc has been at least 80% as good as DBZ was as a whole.

[DragonHermit]

Dragon ball movies are good but not phenomenal in terms on animation.

I thought RoF had excellent animation.

[Bansho64]

Can we just agree that each and every one of the shows and movies in the franchise have had ups and downs and that each has something about them everyone can like?

[Wezenheim]

I liked the part where we weren't bickering about things that don't matter and don't belong in this thread. This thread is too cool for that, yo.

[saiyanvegetable]

The overrating of DBZ's animation here is just I never paid attention to animation until E5, but if you look back on it a lot of scenes in DBZ and DBGT had terrible artwork. Of course DBZ was much more consistent than DBS, considering the stature of the series back then.

But since E5 was fixed, the Goku/Frieza and Goku/Botamo fights are the only major blemishes. The rest of Champa arc has been at least 80% as good as DBZ was as a whole.

I really dont understand the notion of how you can just tidy up a few frames here and there and turn an absolute travesty into something acceptable. Ep 5 is still garbage and no amount of small doodles are going to fix that.

As far as the super being 80% as good as dbz, that's a completely idiotic statement. It might sound harsh but it's the truth, super has been absolutely abysmal because its production is an absolute disaster. That's not an opinion and it's a fact - so to suggest dbz's production is in the same ballpark as super's is a completely ridiculous statement. Nobody is saying dbz was perfect but please, leagues above super. I'm tired of people trying to downplay super's incredibly low standard by pulling out the "dbz had bad animation too' rhetoric.

P.s That cut in ep 26 everyone keeps talking about was fluid, sure, but thats about all it was.