"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[kinisking]

Only thing I'm iffy on for the summaries is the return of the Kaio-ken. I'm sure it'll probably look cool and I'm happy to see more old techniques, but there's a small part of me that's like "Toriyama said he had no plans for Goku and Vegeta to surpass Beerus and Whis...but Kaio-ken is a multiplier...". I prefer consistency, but I also generally am not fond of battle power debates anymore. So I guess i'll just try to not let it annoy that side of myself.

6-10-15 is irrelevant at this point. I'm assuming the tree and mountain comparison really was the truth. Beerus never said how much goku took him in super after all. Beerus did say 10 percent against enraged vegeta but that doesn't mean enraged vegeta was 10 percent of his power level. It just that means ten percent of Beerus can destroy enraged vegeta which is stronger than ss3 goku. That could mean vegeta could be around 1-5 percent beerus. And then, ssg could be 15 percent beerus while still being much stronger than enraged vegeta. That gives a lot of room for ssb and kaioken

[namekiansaiyan]

My question is if it's monaka where are are Beerus, Whis, and Vados to stop him, or do they again not care?

They try and stop him but can't or they just don't notice him because they are concentrating on Champa.

[ZombieVito]

Only thing I'm iffy on for the summaries is the return of the Kaio-ken. I'm sure it'll probably look cool and I'm happy to see more old techniques, but there's a small part of me that's like "Toriyama said he had no plans for Goku and Vegeta to surpass Beerus and Whis...but Kaio-ken is a multiplier...". I prefer consistency, but I also generally am not fond of battle power debates anymore. So I guess i'll just try to not let it annoy that side of myself.

6-10-15 is irrelevant at this point. I'm assuming the tree and mountain comparison really was the truth. Beerus never said how much goku took him in super after all. Beerus did say 10 percent against enraged vegeta but that doesn't mean enraged vegeta was 10 percent of his power level. It just that means ten percent of Beerus can destroy enraged vegeta which is stronger than ss3 goku. That could mean vegeta could be around 1-5 percent beerus. And then, ssg could be 15 percent beerus while still being much stronger than enraged vegeta. That gives a lot of room for ssb and kaioken

We still don't even know if he can even sustain the Kaioken for long.

[dodonpa]

Kinda dissapointing to know that the final fight of the tournament is that short.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

6-10-15 is irrelevant at this point. I'm assuming the tree and mountain comparison really was the truth. Beerus never said how much goku took him in super after all. Beerus did say 10 percent against enraged vegeta but that doesn't mean enraged vegeta was 10 percent of his power level. It just that means ten percent of Beerus can destroy enraged vegeta which is stronger than ss3 goku. That could mean vegeta could be around 1-5 percent beerus. And then, ssg could be 15 percent beerus while still being much stronger than enraged vegeta. That gives a lot of room for ssb and kaioken

It's not about the Toriyama BOG numbers. Whis still said that Goku and Vegeta together would be able to handle Beerus at the end of the Golden Freeza Arc. So if Goku doubles his power with Kaio-ken after training for 3 years in the RoSaT, he should be able to do it himself.

As always though, it's speculation without having seen the episode. Have to wait to see what actually happens and judge afterwards.

[Kuririn Fan]

My question is if it's monaka where are are Beerus, Whis, and Vados to stop him, or do they again not care?

They try and stop him but can't or they just don't notice him because they are concentrating on Champa.

Whis and Vados are in league of their own.

[namekiansaiyan]

Why did any of us expect Hit to beat Goku when Goku was reinstated because what would be the point of reinstating him otherwise.

[alakazam^]

Remember when Monaka vaporized a planet? Guess what else is planet-sized and is hovering around the Nameless Planet

[Birusu16]

6-10-15 is irrelevant at this point. I'm assuming the tree and mountain comparison really was the truth. Beerus never said how much goku took him in super after all. Beerus did say 10 percent against enraged vegeta but that doesn't mean enraged vegeta was 10 percent of his power level. It just that means ten percent of Beerus can destroy enraged vegeta which is stronger than ss3 goku. That could mean vegeta could be around 1-5 percent beerus. And then, ssg could be 15 percent beerus while still being much stronger than enraged vegeta. That gives a lot of room for ssb and kaioken

It's not about the Toriyama BOG numbers. Whis still said that Goku and Vegeta together would be able to handle Beerus at the end of the Golden Freeza Arc. So if Goku doubles his power with Kaio-ken after training for 3 years in the RoSaT, he should be able to do it himself.

As always though, it's speculation without having seen the episode. Have to wait to see what actually happens and judge afterwards.

Was that even said in Super? I thought that was only said in the movie.

[Kuririn Fan]

Kinda dissapointing to know that the final fight of the tournament is that short.

This tournament is comparable to Baba's (5 v 5) and they're both 7 episodes long. I think that's ok length and it's nice that it concludes in round number.

[Khin]

Remember when Monaka vaporized a planet? Guess what else is planet-sized and is hovering around the Nameless Planet

He will probably destroy the Nameless planet which will turn out to be the last Super Dragon Ball.

[namekiansaiyan]

My question is if it's monaka where are are Beerus, Whis, and Vados to stop him, or do they again not care?

They try and stop him but can't or they just don't notice him because they are concentrating on Champa.

Whis and Vados are in league of their own.

But didn't Whis say it was not a good idea to bring him so maybe he can't stop him. We also need something to happen in the series that effects Whis, Vados, Beerus and Champa abilities.

[Lord Beerus]

Hmm. So the Kaioken seems to be making a comeback. Interesting. I'm also super hyped about the abilities Hit has in store. This is shaping up to one hell of conclusion to the tournament.

[namekiansaiyan]

It could be Zarama and he is after his Super Dragonballs.

[dbgtFO]

Remember when Monaka vaporized a planet? Guess what else is planet-sized and is hovering around the Nameless Planet

He will probably destroy the Nameless planet which will turn out to be the last Super Dragon Ball.

Yes, I believe that too.
Crazy spoilers though! Goku with Kaio-ken? Hit using some time ability? Awesome

It could be Zarama and he is after his Super Dragonballs.

Didn't even think of that, but nah, my money's on Monaka.

[SaiyanGirl]

The fact that no one of Champas Team, except Hit, won a fight lol

[Araki]

My question is if it's monaka where are are Beerus, Whis, and Vados to stop him, or do they again not care?

I don't see why they would care about the U6 fighters and whatever Champa does to them. Besides, Beerus will be too busy celebrating to bother.
If it's Monaka, it's probably a sign he went out of control.

[ZombieVito]

The fact that no one of Champas Team, except Hit, won a fight lol

Frost beat Piccolo.

[namekiansaiyan]

It could be Zarama and he is after his Super Dragonballs.

Didn't even think of that, but nah, my money's on Monaka.

As long as Monaka kills Goku. Monaka must have some transformation or some huge Ki coming out him f it is him to scare everyone.

The fact that no one of Champas Team, except Hit, won a fight lol

That is why this tournament is shit, it was just used to show Goku's and Vegeta's power as this is the Goku and Vegeta show.

The fact that no one of Champas Team, except Hit, won a fight lol

Frost beat Piccolo.

If Frost beat Piccolo he then also beat Goku. Frost cheated so he won no fight so Hit is the only one with a win by actual fighting.

[Greator]

Wait, why would Monaka attack anyone else than Champa? Unless he completely loses his mind.