"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[FTW395]

Would've loved if one of the interviewers asked Toriyama about how many episodes Dragonball Super will roughly be.

[Khin]

I honestly wouldn't expect any explanation about the Kaioken thing.Super so far has been notorious for not explaining shit.

[SaiyaSith]

Thanks so much Alakazam. I feel like one of the universes will have Trunks and the Time patrol HQ. Beerus and Whis showed up in the anime portions of Xenoverse so there's a decent chance of it coming true now after this interview. Canons of all sorts may collide!

[namekiansaiyan]

If you want to know why Toriyama is bringing back the Kaioken it is because he finally remebered that Goku has the attack after reading his own manga again like he said in the interview. It is just used because Toriyama needed something to make Goku stronger than Vegeta and consequently being able to defeat Hit and win the tournament for universe 6, which is just nonsense.

[alakazam^]

I honestly wouldn't expect any explanation about the Kaioken thing.Super so far has been notorious for not explaining shit.

This is true but since the summary did talk about "breaking the seal" I'm expecting some kind of acknowledgment like Goku going "I didn't want to rely on this technique again" or something like that.

Hit: Kaiou-what?

[Lord Beerus]

Analyse it and you will see.

Botamo vs Goku: As soon as we know Botamo sends attacks to other dimensions, we all lnow the only way Goku will win is by ring out. = Predictable outcome

Goku vs Frost: We know Frost's transformations already as he is basically Frieza. Goku is winnong easy and suddenly lose so something must have happened that was not allowed which was his poison. = Predictable outcome

Piccolo vs Frost: Probably the best fight but if Goku lost then so would Piccolo. Piccolo forfeiting because Vegeta has no patience. = Predictable outcome

Vegeta vs Frost: If goku was winning easy against Frost then so will Vegeta so the one shot is no surprise. = Predictable outcome

Vegeta vs Magetta: Vegeta is not in Super Saiyan Blue so we know he will win. = Predictable outcome

Vegeta vs Cabba: A Saiyan that can't go Super Saiyan is an easy win for Vegeta then. = Predictable outcome

Vegeta vs Hit: The one enemy they are worried about and because Vegeta always gets beatdowns, Hit will win easy. = Predictable outcome.

Goku vs Hit: He got reinstated into the tournamemt for a reason and it was to beat the strongest guy and the person who deafeted Vegeta. = Predictable outcome.

The only reason people might think it is not predictable is because in their predictions they were predicting unlikely events and because they did not happen they see the tournament as unpredictable, whereas it was very predictable.

Lol but did you know any of this before the tournament happened? No. Hind sight is 20/20

I knew I would get replies like this, you can't predict everything 100% but all these fights are in the predictable zone. All you need is something like Vegeta only goes Super Saiyan to predict the outcome.

None of those fights were in the predictable zone. Especially Frost beating Goku. That legit shocked me and nobody saw that coming.

[Khin]

The only predictable fight to me is Goku vs. Hit.I mentioned something like Goku discovering Hit's weakness in the other thread.Though Goku using Kaioken is totally unexpected for me.

[namekiansaiyan]

The only predictable fight to me is Goku vs. Hit.I mentioned something like Goku discovering Hit's weakness in the other thread.Though Goku using Kaioken is totally unexpected for me.

They were all predictable apart from maybe the Piccolo vs Frost as we did not know if Piccolo's Special Beam Cannon would work or not.

[Khin]

The only predictable fight to me is Goku vs. Hit.I mentioned something like Goku discovering Hit's weakness in the other thread.Though Goku using Kaioken is totally unexpected for me.

They were all predictable apart from maybe the Piccolo vs Frost as we did not know if Piccolo's Special Beam Cannon would work or not.

I don't see how the other fights were predictable.You just already knew the outcome because you were spoiled by episode titles and summaries.

[namekiansaiyan]

The only predictable fight to me is Goku vs. Hit.I mentioned something like Goku discovering Hit's weakness in the other thread.Though Goku using Kaioken is totally unexpected for me.

They were all predictable apart from maybe the Piccolo vs Frost as we did not know if Piccolo's Special Beam Cannon would work or not.

I don't see how the other fights were predictable.You just already knew the outcome because you were spoiled by episode titles and summaries.

It is things like Cabba not being able to turn Super Saiyan that basically confirms Vegeta will win the fight, there is no tension in the fights.

[Lionel]

I'll admit the reentry of the Kaioken after all this time sounds interesting. We haven't seen it in the canonical universe since Goku's x20 Kamehameha against Freeza. I've always found it to be a more dynamic and interesting technique compared with Super Saiyan -- perhaps the fact that it has actual drawbacks and is a learned talent instead of an exclusive hereditary form are the reasons for why I prefer it. There's also the intense red aura and visible effect it has on the user.

The other stuff about Hit losing to Goku sounds disappointing for me. I was one of those people who was banking on the two Super Saiyans losing and Monaka having the final spotlight. In retrospect, I think all of the U7 contestants besides Goku & Vegeta were unnecessarily inserted into this tournament to accomplish nothing besides occupying a slot or, in the best case scenario, their performance was severely underwhelming. You could literally take away Buu, Piccolo and Monaka and the outcome of the matches would remain unchanged. About the only significant difference would lie in maybe Champa's team initially believing they've won should Frost have managed to hit Vegeta with the poison before it's uncovered by Jaco how he cheated.

[Khin]

It is things like Cabba not being able to turn Super Saiyan that basically confirms Vegeta will win the fight, there is no tension in the fights.

How does that automatically mean that Vegeta was going to win ? Most predicted that was Cabba just a very strong Base Saiyan.Of course there is no tension if you have been spoiled and already knew what's going to happen.

[alakazam^]

It is things like Cabba not being able to turn Super Saiyan that basically confirms Vegeta will win the fight, there is no tension in the fights.

Had it not been because of the next episode preview, everyone would have thought Vegeta had a ringout loss against Magetta.

[namekiansaiyan]

I'll admit the reentry of the Kaioken after all this time sounds interesting. We haven't seen it in the canonical universe since Goku's x20 Kamehameha against Freeza. I've always found it to be a more dynamic and interesting technique compared with Super Saiyan -- perhaps the fact that it has actual drawbacks and is a learned talent instead of an exclusive hereditary form are the reasons for why I prefer it. There's also the intense red aura and visible effect it has on the user.

The other stuff about Hit losing to Goku sounds disappointing for me. I was one of those people who was banking on the two Super Saiyans losing and Monaka having the final spotlight. In retrospect, I think all of the U7 contestants besides Goku & Vegeta were unnecessarily inserted into this tournament to accomplish nothing besides occupying a slot or, in the best case scenario, their performance was severely underwhelming. You could literally take away Buu, Piccolo and Monaka and the the outcome of the matches would remain unchanged. About the only significant difference would lie in maybe Champa's team initially believing they've won should Frost have managed to hit Vegeta with the poison before it's uncovered by Jaco how he cheated.

Your second paragraph is one or many reasons why I hate this tournament arc and also think it is the worst arc in the whole franchise. Buu and Piccolo are essentialy just filler.

It is things like Cabba not being able to turn Super Saiyan that basically confirms Vegeta will win the fight, there is no tension in the fights.

Had it not been because of the next episode preview, everyone would have thought Vegeta had a ringout loss against Magetta.

Vegeta never went Super Saiyan Blue so was never in real trouble and Vegeta would not lose until the audience sees Super Saiyan Blue.

[Hit!!]

As characters, they don't care. Even Goku and Vegeta as characters seem pretty much finished. Their job is just to interact with others, rather than actually grow themselves. The only thing they'll be growing is their power levels.

Are you even watching the series?? It's a serious question!!! Are you even watching the series??

Didn't you see what happened to Vegeta's character in the last episode?? Haven't you been paying attention to Vegeta's character developement throughout the series since it started, in BOG arc??

Because you saying what you're saying, tells me that you haven't been paying any attention to what has been happening in the series.

I can agree with a lot of negative comments about DBS, but this is complete bullshit!! One of the best jobs DBS has done is growing characters and showing they're growth on screen. If any credit can be given to Super, it must be about that, because thats what they've done best. Not the plot, no the fights, no, CHARACTER INTERACTION AND DEVELOPEMENT has been the main pro of Super in my opinion.

[skaw17]

******SPOILERS**********

Spoiler:

1. Monaka came to the ring
2. Monaka kill many persons - for example Bulma
3. Confusion try to use Hit
4. Nameless planet is a last super dragon ball
5. We see the fusion about CHampa and Beerus

[sintzu]

2. Monaka kill many persons - for example Bulma

Vegeta would turn him into dust the minute he looks at Bulma.

[skaw17]

2. Monaka kill many persons - for example Bulma

Vegeta would turn him into dust the minute he looks at Bulma.

You will see, Kibito just save only Dendie , Jaco and Viedel.

Others will also fight, remember that yet is Buu, Piccolo and bad Frost, Hit and Botamo

[pacz360]

So what was the point of bringing buu and piccolo if they weren't going to do shit in this arc it was goku and vegeta vs hit + fodder for fuck sakes.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

So what was the point of bringing buu and piccolo if they weren't going to do shit in this arc it was goku and vegeta vs hit + fodder for fuck sakes.

Personally, I found the Boo gag hilarious (in the manga), and I enjoyed Piccolo's fight with Frost (in the anime), so I'm really glad they were included.