Viz's Print Edition of the "Full Colour Comics" Discussion

[Wezenheim]

I still like the idea of an uncensored digital release at least. You could easily add a warning to those if you felt it necessary. In the grand scheme of things the censorship isn't awful or anything, but my inner collector is like "Wur my uncut English munguh?!?" I at least wish they'd fix "Hercule", but apparently they refuse to do that too. Still, I want these Full Color volumes to continue, so I'll be buying them because they are awesome. Very excited for next month!

[Duo]

I still like the idea of an uncensored digital release at least. You could easily add a warning to those if you felt it necessary. In the grand scheme of things the censorship isn't awful or anything, but my inner collector is like "Wur my uncut English munguh?!?" I at least wish they'd fix "Hercule", but apparently they refuse to do that too. Still, I want these Full Color volumes to continue, so I'll be buying them because they are awesome. Very excited for next month!

For the most part, they did a pretty good job up until around the time Cell arrived, outside of Piccolo's odd speech patterns. I'll probably collect thru the Freeza arc, then call it good out of self-respect. There's no reason left for them to be printing "Hercule" on anything and nobody can ever convince me otherwise.

[Wezenheim]

I still like the idea of an uncensored digital release at least. You could easily add a warning to those if you felt it necessary. In the grand scheme of things the censorship isn't awful or anything, but my inner collector is like "Wur my uncut English munguh?!?" I at least wish they'd fix "Hercule", but apparently they refuse to do that too. Still, I want these Full Color volumes to continue, so I'll be buying them because they are awesome. Very excited for next month!

For the most part, they did a pretty good job up until around the time Cell arrived, outside of Piccolo's odd speech patterns. I'll probably collect thru the Freeza arc, then call it good out of self-respect. There's no reason left for them to be printing "Hercule" on anything and nobody can ever convince me otherwise.

Yeah, Viz's decision to stay with "Hercule" is simply infuriating, especially since they literally seem to have a copy/paste response to any email related to requests to change his name (as I discovered along with eldoremassis, who also sent Viz emails). It is akin to a child covering up their ears and screaming "I'm not listening!"

[Tyro]

Just remember: it's A-OK to depict people being murdered with laser rifles, but never real guns.

[Wezenheim]

Just remember: it's A-OK to depict people being murdered with laser rifles, but never real guns.

Sometimes, even in Viz's "uncut and uncensored" 3-in-1 manga, we don't even get laser guns!

Spoiler:

I've heard this was corrected in later printings, but how do you miss that?

[Tyro]

Two things are funny about that scene.

1) #17 was just shot in the face by that old man only one page ago. (#17 even reaches for his gun.)



2) Somehow it's better that he bashed his fucking skull in instead.

[Wezenheim]

Haha oh man, that's just awful all around.

[Duo]

I also thought it was pretty silly they went with "Buu/Boo the Djinn". I get that it's not exactly a bad "translation", but it just came off as incredibly hipster to take that route when most fandoms in the world were/are already used to saying "Majin Buu/Boo".

[Wezenheim]

I also thought it was pretty silly they went with "Buu/Boo the Djinn". I get that it's not exactly a bad "translation", but it just came off as incredibly hipster to take that route when most fandoms in the world were/are already used to saying "Majin Buu/Boo".

Djinn is pretty interesting, and I've always found that entire debate to be extremely fascinating. I do prefer Majin or even Ma-Man though. It still makes me laugh that Viz will use Djinn, label Vegetto "Veggerot" (although that one does make sense, I'll give them that) and yet defend "Hercule" by saying "we used Hercule to stay consistent with other forms of English Dragon Ball media." Gah, that probably irks me far more than it should!

[Duo]

I also thought it was pretty silly they went with "Buu/Boo the Djinn". I get that it's not exactly a bad "translation", but it just came off as incredibly hipster to take that route when most fandoms in the world were/are already used to saying "Majin Buu/Boo".

Djinn is pretty interesting, and I've always found that entire debate to be extremely fascinating. I do prefer Majin or even Ma-Man though. It still makes me laugh that Viz will use Djinn, label Vegetto "Veggerot" (although that one does make sense, I'll give them that) and yet defend "Hercule" by saying "we used Hercule to stay consistent with other forms of English Dragon Ball media." Gah, that probably irks me far more than it should!

The only place FUNImation uses Hercule is on broadcast. Any purchasable media at this point uses Mr. Satan, and the manga is purchasable media. What a bullshit justification...

[Wezenheim]

I also thought it was pretty silly they went with "Buu/Boo the Djinn". I get that it's not exactly a bad "translation", but it just came off as incredibly hipster to take that route when most fandoms in the world were/are already used to saying "Majin Buu/Boo".

Djinn is pretty interesting, and I've always found that entire debate to be extremely fascinating. I do prefer Majin or even Ma-Man though. It still makes me laugh that Viz will use Djinn, label Vegetto "Veggerot" (although that one does make sense, I'll give them that) and yet defend "Hercule" by saying "we used Hercule to stay consistent with other forms of English Dragon Ball media." Gah, that probably irks me far more than it should!

The only place FUNImation uses Hercule is on broadcast. Any purchasable media at this point uses Mr. Satan, and the manga is purchasable media. What a bullshit justification...

Yeah, its really silly. I think most of the games (including Xenoverse) still use "Hercule", but I think that is mostly it. I can't remember the exact wording of the email I received (I can't seem to find it right now, I hope I didn't accidentally delete it or something) but "consistency" was definitely a word they used. Considering their history with Dragon Ball names & terms, that is pretty laughable.

[Duo]

Light of Death, Vegerot, Boo the Djinn, Dabra, Pocus, Kaioshin, Kibit, Super Saiyan -level- 3, etc...

CONSISTENCY FOR SURE.

[gokaiblue]

If the Dragon Ball anime were being censored in its home release, I think a 'trigger warning' like the one above would be a brilliant way to make everyone happy. "You're right to be angry at these things, but to censor them would be wrong as well." That said, I'm glad this isn't the case.

But I don't think this works for manga. A DVD you have to take home and put in a DVD player to watch. A book you can just pick up off the shelf and examine. Didn't censoring the manga allow Viz to drop from a T (teen) rating to A (all ages) which helped them sell their products in more places like Walmart and such? I could still see people throwing a fit about it. I wish it could work like this, but I don't see it happening.

Dark Horse did it for the Astro Boy manga

[Iberian_Saiyan]

The only place FUNImation uses Hercule is on broadcast. Any purchasable media at this point uses Mr. Satan, and the manga is purchasable media. What a bullshit justification...

Maybe they're using that because it's the localised names for the characters which are on every piece of media of Dragon Ball whereas the uncut names are kept for the Japanese fans so it doesn't cater to both. Still, it's a huge mess Viz got into and they're unfortunately not fixing any of those issues. All one can do is remember the title/name/attack and read that instead of what says on the manga. On the comic it said "LIGHT OF DEATH!" and I remembered it as "MAKANKOSAPPO!". I'd hope that they get rid of the H-word, Vegerot, Djin and all that but it's very unlikely.

Sure am glad that the Dragon Ball fanbase knows to keep localised names separated unlike Ace Attorney's fanbase.

[Mewzard]

Dark Horse did it for the Astro Boy manga

A decent number of Osamu Tezuka's manga have had disclaimers in the English releases. I think Tezuka Productions has it done over censoring since they want to respect Osamu Tezuka's work, and since he passed away in 1989, they don't want to change his work and can't ask him what he would change if he was willing to in any case.

[gokaiblue]

^
That's true. However, I do wish Dragon Ball could get the same respect from Viz. As far as I can tell, most of their other titles are uncensored.

[Mewzard]

^
That's true. However, I do wish Dragon Ball could get the same respect from Viz. As far as I can tell, most of their other titles are uncensored.

Well, most things rated A for All Ages are censored (their Pokemon release usually wasn't too censored, but their censorship actually changed an entire character's personality once, since

Spoiler:

beating your child isn't appropriate for All Ages

).

But even with T rated stuff, they have censored at times. Viz has gone back and forth on what they censor and how much over the past few decades (perhaps due to changes in who runs things, I'm not sure).

[ShadowDude112]

One month until the first Freeza arc comes out. Still, I'm not looking forward to the Artificial Humans arc. Gonna be censored a lot.

[Mewzard]

One month until the first Freeza arc comes out. Still, I'm not looking forward to the Artificial Humans arc. Gonna be censored a lot.

Why would it be censored a lot? Outside of Popo (which will always be changed at this point), I doubt they'd bother with anything else. Editing full color art's gotta be far more of a pain in the ass.

[the1payday]

One month until the first Freeza arc comes out. Still, I'm not looking forward to the Artificial Humans arc. Gonna be censored a lot.

Why would it be censored a lot? Outside of Popo (which will always be changed at this point), I doubt they'd bother with anything else. Editing full color art's gotta be far more of a pain in the ass.

He may be referring to the dialogue, assuming VIZ keeps it the same as it has been for the previous 100 releases.