Energy required to revive Boo = Boo's Power ?

[Khin]

Do you think the energy that was required to free Boo in his ball was equal to Majin Boo's power ?

[Kamiccolo9]

No. Given what we see from Fat Buu, it seems more like the electricity needed to jumpstart a car. He just needed a push to get going, but his own power is much greater than what was used to wake him up.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

^That's pretty how I see it. He just needed the energy to be awakened.

[Kaboom]

Actually, I'd wager it really is representative of Boo's power, or at least what it had been reduced to in his tubby form. The main reasons being:

1) There's talk at one or two points about Boo being awoken and released early, which wouldn't be possible if the energy being gathered was required to wake him at all, right?
2) Building on that, Kaioshin warns that if that happens, Boo would still be able to kill them all and destroy Earth even if he doesn't have all the energy he needs.
3) When the energy meter is suddenly full, Bobbidi actually yells, "Boo is at full power!" At least he does in Viz's translation, but that's such a simple expression I doubt they'd screw it up...
4) Finally, SS2 Gohan's power being "almost half" of Fat Boo's actually lines up really darn well with how Boo and the Super Saiyan 2s seemed to compare in combat.

[Kamiccolo9]

Actually, I'd wager it really is representative of Boo's power, or at least what it had been reduced to in his tubby form. The main reasons being:

1) There's talk at one or two points about Boo being awoken and released early, which wouldn't be possible if the energy being gathered was required to wake him at all, right?
2) Building on that, Kaioshin warns that if that happens, Boo would still be able to kill them all and destroy Earth even if he doesn't have all the energy he needs.
3) When the energy meter is suddenly full, Bobbidi actually yells, "Boo is at full power!" At least he does in Viz's translation, but that's such a simple expression I doubt they'd screw it up...
4) Finally, SS2 Gohan's power being "almost half" of Fat Boo's actually lines up really darn well with how Boo and the Super Saiyan 2s seemed to compare in combat.

Well, as I see it....

If I'm asleep, and someone pokes me until I wake up, I'll wake up groggy and not in my best condition.
If someone were to shout in my ear and wake me up, I'd instantly be alert due to adrenaline.

I'm also of the opinion that Fat Buu has the same amount of power that Super Buu has, though, and he just doesn't exhibit it unless he gets angry, with him being equal to Super Buu right at the moment when he expelled the grey Buu.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

About the full-power: couldn't that just be in regards to his meter? We see that Fat Boo appears to be quite weak when he's awakened, so he definitely wasn't at full-power there. He still had a huge Chi, but not to the point where Gohan thought he was unbeatable. Vegeta laughs off Fat Boo's power entirely. Fat Boo has to tap into his anger to bring out more power, so I could see that being separate from the energy used to awaken him.

[apex_pretador]

I'm also of the opinion that Fat Buu has the same amount of power that Super Buu has, though, and he just doesn't exhibit it unless he gets angry, with him being equal to Super Buu right at the moment when he expelled the grey Buu.

If at-split fat buu was equal to super buu, wouldn't goku (at kaioshin planet) and Piccolo (lookout) remark at that instant? They only remark about buu's ki when super buu is formed. So IMO this is indicated:

Super buu >>> Fat buu (split) > calm fat buu

Do you think the energy that was required to free Boo in his ball was equal to Majin Boo's power ?

very likely.

[Desassina]

I find it hard to believe that his Full Power was accomplished with SSJ2 Gohan filling half of it. Take Babidi's line without him knowing what Majin Buu was supposed to look like, and you have a less than certain statement about his power, when it could have been unknown to him as well. If we say that the energy required translated into power in a non-linear way, then Gohan's 100 fold energy could be half of what is multiplied by 2 and 4, for example.

[apex_pretador]

I find it hard to believe that his Full Power was accomplished with SSJ2 Gohan filling half of it. Take Babidi's line without him knowing what Majin Buu was supposed to look like, and you have a less than certain statement about his power, when it could have been unknown to him as well. If we say that the energy required translated into power in a non-linear way, then Gohan's 100 fold energy could be half of what is multiplied by 2 and 4, for example.

How it translates in a non-linear way?

Majin vegeta was significantly stronger than SS2 gohan, but definitely not over 2x. Fat buu was little over 2x of gohan and had some trouble with vegeta.

SS3 goku was implied to be able to easily kill him.

[Desassina]

I can agree with that. I have even used a few numbers that support the idea that Fat Buu is closer to the level of a SSJ2 than a SSJ3, and that Super Buu represented a similar increase to the latter (4 times higher).

Super Buu = SSJ3 Gotenks = 640
Kid Buu = SSJ3 Goku = 400
Fat Buu = 160
Majin Vegeta = 100
Good Buu = SSJ Gotenks = 80
SSJ2 Gohan = 62.5

This way, Gohan's power would only fill up to 80 (if there was some energy already collected), while double that amount would be Fat Buu's power.

[singsing]

I can agree with that. I have even used a few numbers that support the idea that Fat Buu is closer to the level of a SSJ2 than a SSJ3, and that Super Buu represented a similar increase to the latter (4 times higher).

Super Buu = SSJ3 Gotenks = 640
Kid Buu = SSJ3 Goku = 400
Fat Buu = 160
Majin Vegeta = 100
Good Buu = SSJ Gotenks = 80
SSJ2 Gohan = 62.5

This way, Gohan's power would only fill up to 80 (if there was some energy already collected), while double that amount would be Fat Buu's power.

I really don't see SSJ Gotenks being barely stronger than SSJ2 Gohan. There's no way Goku miscalculated fusion by that much, SSJ Gotenks without training was supposed to at least be able to put up somewhat of a decent fight, if not outright kill, Fat Buu.

[Desassina]

I don't consider SSJ multipliers to be static. The Gotenks that is represented there is at his minimum, just like Fat Buu through Good Buu, which means that Gotenks could double his power and match Fat Buu as a mere SSJ (100x his battle power). We also don't know, for sure, if Gotenks would be able to beat Majin Buu, just that his time would expire, pointing to a less than certain victory, when it's going to take time. And seriously, Goku miscalculated... It has been made obvious in more than one occasion, with SSJ3 being a realm of power that he didn't expect, so we're left with SSJ having more than he thought it would, or Goku expecting the kids to unlock, at least, SSJ2. I prefer to place my bets on miscalculation than expecting him to depict their power with precision, considering that he hadn't witnessed Gotenks before, nor fused himself. Besides, the Daizenshuu hints at Gotenks surpassing all others with SSJ3, not just SSJ, even after the RoSaT.

[Hitiro]

About the full-power: couldn't that just be in regards to his meter? We see that Fat Boo appears to be quite weak when he's awakened, so he definitely wasn't at full-power there. He still had a huge Chi, but not to the point where Gohan thought he was unbeatable. Vegeta laughs off Fat Boo's power entirely. Fat Boo has to tap into his anger to bring out more power, so I could see that being separate from the energy used to awaken him.

The issue with this is that SSJ2 Gohan's Ki made the gauge jump to half power. So that would mean that the power it took to wake him up was at least 2x SSJ2 Gohan's energy from the tournament. Do you really think that Gohan would think a character like that would be beatable given that? If it was Gohan's SSJ energy I would understand, if you think that SSJ2 is 2x stronger than SSJ, but this was Gohan's best form. Now the Kaioshin did say Gohan probably wasn't putting out all his energy at the tournament. But it would have to be more than 50% otherwise it would be equivalent to SSJ if we're taking the guidebooks numbers for the SSJ forms. Essentially we have something like this:

Gohan: 1
SSJ Gohan: 50
SSJ2 Gohan(At tournament): 55
SSJ2 Gohan: 100
Energy used to wake Boo: 55*2 = 110

^This is assuming that Gohan only used 55% of his power as a SSJ2 at the tournament and Boo is above him in terms of power. I can understand Vegeta laughing it off because he has more power than Gohan does now. But I don't think Gohan would be as relaxed as he was if Boo was using all the energy it took to wake him. And it really is a reserved estimate to say Gohan was only using 55% at the tournament. It could be as much as 75% So I would say that the meter does represent Boo's max power but when he awakens he just isn't using it.

[buutenks]

Dont see any contradiction.

Gohan's ssj2 power fills buu's bar to 40% or so. Majin vegeta is able to put up a bit of a fight against fat buu, but ultimately fat buu is to powerful.goku says he could have defeated fat buu if he wanted to.

SO:

ssj2 gohan=45
fat buu=110
majin vegeta=60
ssj3 goku=170

[jplaya2023]

Do you think the energy that was required to free Boo in his ball was equal to Majin Boo's power ?

if that were the case then ssj3 goku 1 shots. Remember buu's power stems from damage ssj2 goku took plus rusty ssj2 gohan's power