Cross-Eyed Vejita Lands! My Take on the Remastering.

TheMajinRedComet · Post by **TheMajinRedComet** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 5:06 pm

Most people here are saying the they hate it and they are not going to buy it, yet they probobly will buy it, because it has dragonball on it.

Frankly I could care less about a half a second white mark that shows up now and again. As long as I get to see Goku fight Vegeta with the Japanese score playing, I am happy.

nathantheguitarist · Post by **nathantheguitarist** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 5:10 pm

Chaotic Strike · Post by **Chaotic Strike** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 5:26 pm

Acid_Reign wrote:Uh, MVX isn't forcing his opinion on anybody. I believe the title of the thread reads, "My take on the Remastering." He's just giving people the facts, yet you seem to think that in his so-doing he is somehow completely out of line, probably because you plan on buying the set and don't want to feel like you're wasting your money.

I think you're forgetting that this isn't a full review, but even so, MajinVejita isn't obligated to throw some "pros" into the mix if he honestly feels that there aren't any. Just as he has his opinion, so too do you, so reminding him that it's his is pretty much a moot point. Stop being so goddamn ignorant.

When I want to buy a product and check a review I usually go for the most unbiased one I can find that I can trust indeed a review is ones take on a certain product, and yes I am well aware what his opinions and facts are. I just felt he was somewhat biased and not exploring every variables do not take offense to that as I am merely stating what I thought he was doing wrong. And how he might be able to improve any future review again this was IMO.

While you may feel that I am in someway offended or as you put it think he’s out of line I can ensure you that I do not feel that way. I merely gave my opinion as for how I felt he didn’t force his opinion on any one and neither did I.

It seems to me that you are more stressed out over my opinion having to resort to an insult to get your point across after all isn’t what a message board is for is to state your opinions so why would is seem so far off to state your own opinions about another ones thoughts or review. isn’t that the purpose of a message board? So how that makes me "goddamn ignorant" is beyond me.

nathantheguitarist · Post by **nathantheguitarist** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 5:28 pm

This is why we're awaiting Corey's full review.

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 6:01 pm

Chaotic Strike wrote:It seems to me that you are more stressed out over my opinion having to resort to an insult to get your point across after all isn’t what a message board is for is to state your opinions so why would is seem so far off to state your own opinions about another ones thoughts or review. isn’t that the purpose of a message board? So how that makes me "goddamn ignorant" is beyond me.

I'm not so much stressed as I am frustrated that people like you and BlueSunrise are giving Vejita a hard time for his efforts. He demonstrated some flaws—so what? Why shouldn't he? If he spots something wrong in a set he payed for, why should he keep quiet about it? For FUNi's sake? He doesn't owe them anything. For that matter, if he spots ten things wrong with it, then there are ten things wrong with it for him. He doesn't need to counter-balance those bad points with good points just to please everybody.

The fact is, I didn't "resort" to an insult to prove my point; I just insulted you. You state that he shouldn't state his opinion the way he did, then go on to say that message boards are for sharing opinions. Which is it? Because it can't be both.

Gokuden553 · Post by **Gokuden553** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 6:03 pm

nathantheguitarist wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQu5hV5WY2I
Fullscreen
vs.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=KSVZSSKx408
Widescreen

Isn't kind of umm... bad... that you can actually see how bad the cropping is, and how much the colors are altered, just on YOUTUBE?

Yes the fullscreen format version is way better than the widescreen one, mostly because you can see everything that's happening while in the other Vegeta was missing his hair in half of those frames.

Sebastian (SB) · Post by **Sebastian (SB)** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 6:04 pm

Wait...wait.....Unbiased review?

With all the shit FUNi's been giving us (& knowing how great of a company they are) over the years, I think that's quite impossible. No offence.

Gokuden553 · Post by **Gokuden553** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 6:16 pm

Another fullscreen VS Widescreen comparison, this time of the Goku VS Vegeta battle *Both versions DUB/JAPANESE*

Goku VS Vegeta

Widescreen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs3wvnmfcqQ

VS

Fullscreen
http://youtube.com/watch?v=aIAeyEbEH6c

*See from timer parts 1:10-1:52*

dasmith · Post by **dasmith** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 6:22 pm

The people that are coming on here and bashing Corey's screencaps and defending this release point out that the regular consumer is going to buy this set and not notice any of the flaws that this set has. Well I call bullshit.

If I was a regular consumer, I would go to Best Buy, I would see the set and say "Wow, cool, a new remastered box set that's cheap." I would check out the box and decide it looks alright and buy it. I'd drive home and pop the disc in my dvd player on my *standard* (not widescreen) tv and choose play all. Then I'd see black bars at the top and bottom of my screen and instantly think "what the fuck is this?". I'd check out the box, and see that *widescreen* wasn't mentioned anywhere, maybe even notice the screenshots on the back are even in standard 4:3, and then I would be pissed, because I just payed money for some total bullshit release that is a hacked up version of the original.

Now this is me personally -- lets say I go to the store to buy just any regular movie. I'm checking out the box to see if it's full screen or widescreen because I want to see the movie in it's original widescreen format. I find the disc on the shelf and there's only one version.. it doesn't say whether it's fullscreen or widescreen anywhere, so I go ahead and assume it's the real/original format of the film, widescreen. If I get home, open it up, and pop it in, and I see that the movie is fullscreen and cropped, I'm going to be fucking pissed, because I just blew my money on a hacked up picture that betrays the original.

So you tell me, will the average consumer pop in this new FUNi set in their regular 4:3 tv at home, see black bars, and be pissed that the box doesn't mention widescreen anywhere, or will they be so happy that green skies are gone and the colors are brighter that they won't care?

EDIT: While looking through the long thread on this for pictures of the box I noticed godofchaos's comment that it does actually say "widescreen" very small on the back of the box, but it's obvious that FUNi doesn't want to advertise the fact that these sets are widescreen.

Gokuden553 · Post by **Gokuden553** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 6:27 pm

And a comparison for the Goku and Vegeta beam battle *With a more accurate starting part than nathantheguitarist's post*

Goku and Vegeta Beam Battle

Widescreen
http://youtube.com/watch?v=KSVZSSKx408

VS

Fullscreen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5ApYIK280A

Chaotic Strike · Post by **Chaotic Strike** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 6:31 pm

I'm not so much stressed as I am frustrated that people like you and BlueSunrise are giving Vejita a hard time for his efforts. He demonstrated some flaws—so what? Why shouldn't he? If he spots something wrong in a set he payed for, why should he keep quiet about it? For FUNi's sake? He doesn't owe them anything. For that matter, if he spots ten things wrong with it, then there are ten things wrong with it for him. He doesn't need to counter-balance those bad points with good points just to please everybody.

The fact is, I didn't "resort" to an insult to prove my point; I just insulted you. You state that he shouldn't state his opinion the way he did, then go on to say that message boards are for sharing opinions. Which is it? Because it can't be both.

I did not aim to give vegeta a hard time but rather advice, I did not state that he should keep quiet about his opinion in fact I encourage it the more you point out the flaws of something the faster you can correct it. its called constructive criticism the point of a review is to find out the quality of a product what better way to do that than to look at all angles not just from oneside that’s what sets great reviews apart from pure one sided ones.

If or not he follows my advice is up to him its his review and opinion and there’s nothing I can do but give advice. But that wont stop me for giving my opinion on what I think he should be doing for his review, its a review in itself.

The fact that you included an insult in your post jumps out to me as a last resort as it was basically the basis of your entire post that and me supposly trying to shut him up only there isn’t any evidence of that is there which brings me to this it seems you cant seem to stand someone with a opinion different than your own. I stated that for the upcoming review he was already insulting it which was setting him up to be biased but you seemed to inferred that I said he shouldn’t state his opinion that way, i’m pretty sure I said that I was giving him advice.

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 6:44 pm

If it was just advice, then that's perfectly understandable, but that's not what it seemed like to me.

And thank you dasmith, for that. I for one can't fathom why people are actually using "America's too stupid to tell the difference" as a legitimizing factor in all this.

Kula · Post by **Kula** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 6:44 pm

b_boult wrote:Most people here are not buying it because it's a complete mess, though if anyone decides to leave it on the grounds of 'corporate deception', that would be pretty silly, I agree.

'Corporate deception' is probably my main reason for not buying it. I was actually ready to buy this release. I placed my pre-order way back in the middle of last year when it was first announced. If FUNI had simply come clean about the cropping issue and not tried to dance around the subject (ie. be honest about it) I would most likely have bought it. Avoiding this release because of the spin put on it isn't silly in my opinion.

b_boult · Post by **b_boult** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 6:49 pm

Kula wrote:
b_boult wrote:Most people here are not buying it because it's a complete mess, though if anyone decides to leave it on the grounds of 'corporate deception', that would be pretty silly, I agree.
'Corporate deception' is probably my main reason for not buying it. I was actually ready to buy this release. I placed my pre-order way back in the middle of last year when it was first announced. If FUNI had simply come clean about the cropping issue and not tried to dance around the subject (ie. be honest about it) I would most likely have bought it. Avoiding this release because of the spin put on it isn't silly in my opinion.

Yes it is. If the widescreen issue doesn't bother you, are you suggesting that while watching it you'll be actively thinking instead "Curse that FUNimation and their deceptive marketting strategy, I can no longer enjoy this cartoon"?

It's silly. Buy the set if widescreen isn't an issue for you. Don't buy if it is. But don't not by on the grounds that they tried to sell their product like every other company would, because it's dumb.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:16 pm

b_boult wrote:But don't not by on the grounds that they tried to sell their product like every other company would, because it's dumb.

No one is jumping FUNimation's ass for advertising their product. It's how they made half-assed attempts to justify the production. Overscan? Showing clips from the movies? It's pretty sad really and shows a lack of faith in the product.

BTW, my review *will* cover any positive aspects along with the negative. I'm not a complete biased bastard ;p

-Corey

dasmith · Post by **dasmith** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:34 pm

b_boult wrote:Yes it is. If the widescreen issue doesn't bother you, are you suggesting that while watching it you'll be actively thinking instead "Curse that FUNimation and their deceptive marketting strategy, I can no longer enjoy this cartoon"?

It's silly. Buy the set if widescreen isn't an issue for you. Don't buy if it is. But don't not by on the grounds that they tried to sell their product like every other company would, because it's dumb.

Let's face it, the big problem here is the footage being cropped into widescreen. I don't give a shit if FUNi says that they had to kill a hundred babies to remaster each frame of footage and it's obvious they didn't, the fact is that they cropped the entire series, and how is the average consumer going to know this? Whoever buys the set online will only see an image of the front cover of the box which doesn't mention widescreen. People who buy the set at stores may not even notice the word widescreen on the back because FUNi probably did all they could to hide the word "widescreen" without risking being sued.

So is it legitimate to not buy this set because FUNi is being deceptive? Yes. Is it legitimate to not buy this set on the grounds that the front cover does not say "widescreen"? I submit yes.

Now if the cover looked like this, the average consumer would at least know that they were buying crap

...

-Derek

DaemonCorps · Post by **DaemonCorps** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:42 pm

Well, the set's in the Best Buy Sunday magazine here and the official release is this Tuesday... only a matter of days until we find out how well this sells in the public. With the way FUNi's packaging mentions widescreen in its small font on the back of the set, I'm sure the casual fan will get the set.

I'm looking forward to MajinVegeta's overview of the set, soon.

Kula · Post by **Kula** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:54 pm

b_boult wrote:Yes it is. If the widescreen issue doesn't bother you, are you suggesting that while watching it you'll be actively thinking instead "Curse that FUNimation and their deceptive marketting strategy, I can no longer enjoy this cartoon"?

It's silly. Buy the set if widescreen isn't an issue for you. Don't buy if it is. But don't not by on the grounds that they tried to sell their product like every other company would, because it's dumb.

If for some reason I found myself watching the set, then no I wouldn't be cursing FUNImation. The widescreen is an issue for me, but not so big of an issue that I wasn't willing to give it a chance. I waited patiently for FUNI's comparison screen shots (the ones of Gregory) and they made it seem like we would only be losing a small amount of footage. That was something I could live with. I was ready to put down my £18 at that point. However, their overscan arguement was proved to be false, and a larger amount of footage would be lost. If I had bought the set based on FUNI's comparisons, (which I was inclined to trust at the time) I would have been duped.

Long story short, I don't like bullshit, and I don't like being lied to. If FUNI had said "Yes you're losing footage, but this is our decision and we're sticking with it'' then I MIGHT just have bought the set. Being from the UK and never having bought any DBZ DVDs before, I want to make sure I know EXACTLY what it is I'm buying. Especially when you consider that I have to pay more for shipping and I can't just take the set back to the shop if I don't like it.

On a related topic, I will be showing my support for FUNI by buying a release of theirs that I AM happy with (The DragonBall: part 2 box set)

I hope you can understand where I'm coming from.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:56 pm

Can we just agree to disagree?

I mean really, this is a million pages of "I don't like this set."

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 8:12 pm

Gokuden553 wrote:And a comparison for the Goku and Vegeta beam battle *With a more accurate starting part than nathantheguitarist's post*

Goku and Vegeta Beam Battle

Y'know, the widescreen doesn't really bother me.... *shrug*

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