How would you feel if Funimation only used dubnames as subs?

[Iberian_Saiyan]

Let's say all Funimation home releases of Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, Dragon Ball GT, the Films and TV-Specials only ever included subtitles with the localised/dubnames would you still watch it in Japanese albeit those were not the names they're saying in Japanese? Not only that but the spelling can also be finicky, too.

Matter of fact, this was actually why I never finished watching Manga UK's release of Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection F.

[VegettoEX]

It wouldn't be a game-changer, but it would be SUPER frustrating. If you're watching in Japanese, you're very clearly/obviously/pointedly not watching the dub. For a show that HAS changes in it, you're very clearly/obviously/pointedly doing that for a reason.

[Ajay]

I'd stop buying their releases, and resort to competent fansubs like I do for every other series with abysmal official subtitles. Not particularly interested in supporting bad quality, even if it does mean dipping a toe into piracy every now and then.

Treat the customer right, otherwise I'll take my entitled ass elsewhere.

[Gaffer Tape]

Totally agree with Ajay. It would be a complete deal-breaker for me. Considering some of the names are completely made-up poppycock and not just alternate interpretations, that means they aren't being translated. And if they aren't being represented faithfully, how do I know I can trust anything else I'm reading? Plus, it would just be a huge slap in the face because they'd basically be saying, "Oh, we know you don't like our dub, so we'll give you a subtitled version... but don't think you're getting away from us!" Even back in 2000, FUNimation was smart enough to discontinue that practice after two discs and never looked back.

[B]

I don't know why you used that shot, of all things, as "Krillin" isn't an out-and-out dub term. If I had to look at "Hyperbolic Time Chamber" or Ox King without the "demon", that's another story and I wouldn't tolerate it.

[Iberian_Saiyan]

I don't know why you used that shot, of all things, as "Krillin" isn't an out-and-out dub term. If I had to look at "Hyperbolic Time Chamber" or Ox King without the "demon", that's another story and I wouldn't tolerate it.

Because they say Kuririn not "Krillin".

[ABED]

Wasn't this in fact the case for at least the first disc (Captain Ginyu - Assault) of the in-house dub they released? I sold mine years ago, so if anyone has a copy to check, I think the dub names are used. Maybe I'm wrong.

[VegettoEX]

Because they say Kuririn not "Krillin".

They also say "Bejiita" and not "Vegeta".

"Krillin" doesn't preserve the pun and certainly isn't the spelling adaptation I'd go with, but it's a valid transliteration.

[Kuririn Fan]

I don't know why you used that shot, of all things, as "Krillin" isn't an out-and-out dub term. If I had to look at "Hyperbolic Time Chamber" or Ox King without the "demon", that's another story and I wouldn't tolerate it.

Because they say Kuririn not "Krillin".

It's funny, because they sometimes defend "Krillin" and admit they say it sometimes. They do that because saying hard R is difficult for Americans

[Kamiccolo9]

I don't know why you used that shot, of all things, as "Krillin" isn't an out-and-out dub term. If I had to look at "Hyperbolic Time Chamber" or Ox King without the "demon", that's another story and I wouldn't tolerate it.

Because they say Kuririn not "Krillin".

It's funny, because they sometimes defend "Krillin" and admit they say it sometimes. They do that because saying hard R is difficult for Americans

Because, as mentioned above, "Krillin" is a perfectly fine translation.

[Iberian_Saiyan]

It's funny, because they sometimes defend "Krillin" and admit they say it sometimes. They do that because saying hard R is difficult for Americans

It's not even a hard 'R'. It's a suave 'R'.

[Gaffer Tape]

Wasn't this in fact the case for at least the first disc (Captain Ginyu - Assault) of the in-house dub they released? I sold mine years ago, so if anyone has a copy to check, I think the dub names are used. Maybe I'm wrong.

As I said above, the first two discs (Ginyu: Assault and Double Cross) both used dub names and both removed any and all swearing Simmons wrote into the scripts. The next set of discs they put out, Trunks: Mysterious Youth and Prelude to Terror, did away with those practices. Whether or not it had anything to do with the uproar on the internet, who's to say?

[ABED]

I think the second Ginyu disc started adding the cuss words. I recall the use of "damn" twice. There was an interview with Steven Simmons that came out right after the first two discs where he discussed this and my recollection from 16 years ago is that he saw what happened when the first disc was released was he asked the powers that be why they changed things, so they eventually decided to loosen their standards for subsequent releases.

[Dotogam]

Personally, I would be very mad. I use the subs to watch the series without the dub changes and if they do this, it takes away a reason to watch the subs over the dubs.

[Iberian_Saiyan]

Personally, I would be very mad. I use the subs to watch the series without the dub changes and if they do this, it takes away a reason to watch the subs over the dubs.

Precisely. Had they used dubnames I'd have never bought Funi's Dragon Boxes Z, Level Blu-rays, the Movie Singles and anything else from them. It would be a huge deal breaker for me which would force me to use fansubs instead.

[JulieYBM]

Totally agree with Ajay. It would be a complete deal-breaker for me. Considering some of the names are completely made-up poppycock and not just alternate interpretations, that means they aren't being translated. And if they aren't being represented faithfully, how do I know I can trust anything else I'm reading? Plus, it would just be a huge slap in the face because they'd basically be saying, "Oh, we know you don't like our dub, so we'll give you a subtitled version... but don't think you're getting away from us!" Even back in 2000, FUNimation was smart enough to discontinue that practice after two discs and never looked back.

I formally submit in writing my agreement with this post.

Mind you, I think the last thing I bought from FUNimation was the Dragon Ball Z Dragon Boxes, so...uh...I guess it doesn't matter?

[TheBlackPaladin]

And if they aren't being represented faithfully, how do I know I can trust anything else I'm reading?

I definitely agree with you for the most part, but just for the sake of continuing the conversation and playing devil's advocate, you could technically say the same thing about fansubs. Part of the reason I stopped watching them was because I learned just how off they could be. Sure, they seemed faithful (using honorifics, explaining Japanese cultural references, etc.), but it was shocking to learn later just how off a lot of them were. It seems the only solution that completely works 100% of the time is to learn Japanese so that no subtitles are required. Otherwise, it seems like any time we watch anything subtitled--officially or otherwise--we're taking a bit of a gamble and hoping that the translator knows his (or her) stuff.

Having said that, when it comes to Dragon Ball, I'm absolutely convinced that Steve Simmons knows what he's doing, so no worries there.

To answer the original question...I guess, for me, it would depend on why they were using dub names. For example, when 4Kids finally started subtitling the Yu-Gi-Oh! animes and putting them online for streaming, they still used dub names for cards and attacks in the subtitles, even when some of these names were clearly different names that were already in English (pronounced with Japanese accents, sure, but already in English nevertheless). 4Kids stated that this was a legal requirement. For me, that was understandable enough of an explanation. Annoying, sure, but not annoying enough for me to stop watching the official release. *Shrug.*

[Super Sonic]

Iberian Saiyan, do you watch any of Funimation's other properties besides Dragon Ball? If you did, you'd know they don't do that with their subtitles. For example, in Shuffle, one girl's nickname was "Rin" in Japanese and "Rina" in the dub. The subtitles kept it "Rin". (For those wondering about the change, the main character was named "Rin" and they changed her nickname to "Rina" to avoid confusion in a woolseyism). And with Fairy Tail the subs call the girl cat "Charle", not "Carla" as she's called in the dub.

[Tyro]

I would hate it, obviously, and I'd stop supporting their products as much as possible, turning instead to piracy if a competent, proven subtitling group was around. If that wasn't possible I'd probably teach myself the basics of subtitling my own DVD rips. I mean, if it was just the names of attacks and characters, that's not that bad, but where there's smoke there's fire, and I'd have this nagging feeling that they botched up the translation as well.

[Hellspawn28]

I will be super angry if they did. Subs should be faithful to the Japanese language when the characters are talking. No fan purist stuff like dubnames or weeb crap.