The Perfect Set?

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:02 am

Interestingly enough, I was thinking of creating my own "perfect set," which is a bit similar to what some of you have posted here. I'm currently in the process of gathering all of the necessary equipment/sources, but here is what I'm doing:

Audio Sources: Original Japanese; English Broadcast (FUNi); English Broadcast (Ocean); English Remastered (and possibly a noteworthy Fandub where applicable).
Video Source: Dragon Box rips with an alternate angle edited to match the Ocean dub audio
Episodes per Disc: 6 (maybe 12, depending)
Subtitles: All English versions transcribed; Japanese Translated (Simmons and/or Shinonome)
Format: Blu-Ray Disc
Extras: All [important] extras from FUNi discs + D.Box extras

It's going to take a lot of time and money to nurse this brainchild to fruition, but I'm confident I can pull it off with enough diligence.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:07 am

Make it DVD, man. I don't have (nor want) blu-ray anytime soon.

MarcFBR · Post by **MarcFBR** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:13 am

JAPPO wrote:Make it DVD, man. I don't have (nor want) blu-ray anytime soon.

Here Here Jappo!, nice to see you and me on the same page.

and also, acid

Format: Blu-Ray (Recordable) ???

So you wanna be able to record OVER the disk you bought?

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:16 am

JAPPO wrote:Make it DVD, man. I don't have (nor want) blu-ray anytime soon.

If I did that, half of what I mentioned wouldn't even fit on the disc unless it underwent massive compression. I chose Blu-Ray (which not even I have yet) because of the glorious space that it has.

And though I'd love to distribute them all when I'm done, I'm not sure how legal it'd be for me to do so...

godofchaos wrote:
JAPPO wrote:Make it DVD, man. I don't have (nor want) blu-ray anytime soon.
Here Here Jappo!, nice to see you and me on the same page.

and also, acid

Format: Blu-Ray (Recordable) ???

So you wanna be able to record OVER the disk you bought?

No, the new recordable format is called BD-RE. I'd be write-once, rest assured.

MarcFBR · Post by **MarcFBR** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:20 am

RE is the rewritable format, R is the 'one time' recordable

and the BD-R ISN'T the same as the commercial disks, very similiar, but there are specific differences.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:23 am

First of all, DVD can go over 8 GB. If worst comes to worst, just package it on seperate DVDs.

Second of all, DBZ on blu-ray will not look as good as you think without equipment you do not have, and probably will never afford.

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:31 am

godofchaos wrote:RE is the rewritable format, R is the 'one time' recordable

and the BD-R ISN'T the same as the commercial disks, very similiar, but there are specific differences.

Ah, sorry; I made a mistake. I'll correct it.

Daizensushi-x · Post by **Daizensushi-x** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:39 am

The perfect set is season one right now. OH SNAP. Did I just say that out loud?

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:39 am

Daizensushi-x wrote:The perfect set is season one right now. OH SNAP. Did I just say that out loud?

I don't hate the season one set, but to say it is the perfect set? No.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:47 am

JAPPO wrote:First of all, DVD can go over 8 GB. If worst comes to worst, just package it on seperate DVDs.

Second of all, DBZ on blu-ray will not look as good as you think without equipment you do not have, and probably will never afford.

Are you familiar with the bitrate limitations of MPEG-2 video streams? And should I even reply to that second part about equipment? Some of us do work for a living and as a result can actually purchase things (though personally I won't be buying a Blu-Ray player until later this year, and my current television only does 1080i so I'll just have it output in 720p).

-Corey

dasmith · Post by **dasmith** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:54 am

My ideal booklet/insert wouldn't have goofy shit on it like a bogus timeline. It would have the original japanese episode titles / direct english translations / and FUNi episode titles, then a brief synopsis for each episode. Screenshots would be appropriate for the insert and if FUNi could manage some good looking boxart (they should pay SelMod) that has a consistent format from set to set, I would be pleased. They've already figured out the boxart for their DB sets..

I really don't understand how FUNi can't get the japanese audio for the episode previews (or have they figured that out?..) but that really needs to be in there for each episode

Everything I'd like to see with video/audio has already been said

-Derek

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 1:02 am

Additionally, the prices on these things are expected to drop. Like most electronics, chances are pretty good that they'll become more and more commonplace over the next few years.

Also, that 8.5 GB you see printed on the standard DL discs is the capacity in SI notation, though. When that translates to binary it actually comes out to about 7.95.

Eclipse · Post by **Eclipse** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 1:15 am

Question: Is the DVD-18 format available? If so, you could use that =P

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 1:23 am

What's there to be said about a perfect set? Either the DBox masters or something done to similar quality and cleanup, no widescreen, and then pretty much everything the FUNi set has now, plus maybe a couple more extra's here and there.

I think everyone would agree on something to that extent as being the optimum desire whilst economical and realistic.

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 1:38 am

Eclipse wrote:Question: Is the DVD-18 format available? If so, you could use that =P

I'm sure it is somewhere, but the reality is by the time I have all this stuff compiled it'll probably be reasonable to put it on a blue-laser disc. I guess I'll have to see when the time comes.

Taku128 · Post by **Taku128** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 1:39 am

Footage: Dragon Box masters, in the intended aspect ratio of course.
Audio: Japanese mono, English 5.1 with Japanese Music and redone audio for the recap and next episode segments, perferably whoever did them for the Dragon Ball dub, and the Spanish Dub in either Stereo or Mono, whichever it appeared in on the UUEs.
Subtitles: Steve Simmons' Japanese Translation, Subtitles for the dub, and mabey Spanish subtitles, but it's suposedly a great dub so the dialouge is probably pretty close to the Japanese script.
Special Features: Commentary on select episodes by the English Cast and Crew, History of DBZ in English feature talking about the history of the show in America, covering changes in casting, censorship, changing the music, and other things, and any trailers used to promote the Box set.
Episodes per Disc: 5-6.
Price: 40-50 USD.

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:25 am

DRAGONBOX

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:29 am

dasmith wrote:I really don't understand how FUNi can't get the japanese audio for the episode previews (or have they figured that out?..) but that really needs to be in there for each episode

Apparently, the voiceovers belonged to Fuji TV and Toei didn't have them to give to FUNimation the first time around.

However, since they're plainly there on the DragonBoxes, it stands to reason that Toei negotiated with Fuji TV to get those tapes and would have them to give to those who license the series.

I suppose the real test would be to ask if the Spanish remasters, based on the DragonBox footage, have the previews with Japanese voiceovers. If they do, then FUNimation really has no excuse.

-Corey

Undercooked Sausage · Post by **Undercooked Sausage** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:42 pm

I think the reason topic creator said "don't say dragonbox" is because realistically speaking it's not exactly the most viable perfect set (released in limited quantities, expensive, in japanese).

I mean, Dragonbox masters, subtitled, at a low price, translated extras, that's pretty much but I'd want, but I wouldn't even spend a couple hundred on a Japanese Dragonbox as watching something in a language I can't understand unsubbed doesn't interest me in the slightest.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 1:24 pm

Undercooked Sausage wrote:I think the reason topic creator said "don't say dragonbox" is because realistically speaking it's not exactly the most viable perfect set (released in limited quantities, expensive, in japanese).

The singles are a little less expensive than FUNimation's previous singles, so price can't be argued and neither can availability (the big, fuck-off boxes were limited but the singles won't be). The only real detractor for English speaking consumers would be the language barrier. Otherwise, the DragonBox discs are pretty damned close to perfection.

-Corey