Super is not so bad like someone says

[buutenks]

Jaco wasnt sure, that is why he didnt say anything earlier. You need to look from his point of view. He basically put his life in danger by simply saying that.

[TekTheNinja]

Jaco wasnt sure, that is why he didnt say anything earlier. You need to look from his point of view. He basically put his life in danger by simply saying that.

Then he could have at least told Piccolo, "Oi, Big Green, I think that Frost dude's cheating, but I don't want to say anything because I'm not sure yet, but keep on the look out for that anyway bro"

There's no denying that it's absolutely stupid that he didn't do that.

[pacz360]

I don't think people want Goku stripped of his role as the main character

That's exactly what it is. People were complaining that GT didn't involve Vegeta, then Toriyama included Vegeta. Now they're complaining about Piccolo and Buu. Like wtf. Just enjoy the show. If you want to make Piccolo and Tien the main characters go write fan fiction.

People was even complaining that Goku and Vegeta didn't fight in the 2008 Jump Special. I remember some people here was like "Why is Goten and Trunks fighting? It should be Goku and Vegeta!". One thing I learn from DB fans is that they will want something and bitch about it when they finally get it.

no offence but you need cut that shit out and going all db fans this crap not everybody has the same opinions that like me going all comic book fans are spoiled kids shit.

[namekiansaiyan]

The computer I'm currently on is incapable of playing it so I'll just take your word for it. My point still stands that Jaco not announcing this earlier was possibly the stupidest thing I've ever seen.

Exactly! I have said many times before that Piccolo was just put in so Goku can fight at the beginning and at the end after Vegeta. It is the worst excuse for having Goku win the last battle in the franchises history.

[Hit!!]

Jaco not announcing it earlier is because he didn't see it very well. He was almost as clueless as everyone else, which is why he sat next to Vegeta to see more clearly what was going on.

[Hit!!]

"Boo hoo, this series sucks cuz my fav character isn't important anymore, fuck super!!"

[TheShadowEmperor8055]

What we want is a better spread of character use. Let's compare it to another franchise for a second here... I'll use Star Wars. Who is the main character? Luke, clearly. But do the others do things? Yes, yes they do. It's pretty simple shit.

The original trilogy of the Star Wars movies was very good in that usage, yes, I wholeheartedly agree. But technically, the prequel trilogy had a vast amount of underdeveloped characters, particularly those of the Jedi Order. But that's none of my business.

While Super did start out weak (BoG arc was decent, RoF arc was ugh), the Champa Arc so far is good in my opinion, and Super is growing on me. While I do understand that basically Goku and Vegeta are the main characters in this, I still didn't like how Piccolo, Gohan, Buu and even Monaka were screwed over and ultimately thrown away (still holding out some hope for Monaka though). I understand that Piccolo, Gohan and Buu are nowhere near god level like Goku and Vegeta are, but I was a bit annoyed on how Monaka was made to be so, then is described as a total amateur. So, there is some truth to the show being a bit too much about Goku or Vegeta, but I don't want to say that's a terribad thing. I mean, wasn't the original series of Dragon Ball before the Z-era all about Goku? There were moments where other characters shined, yes, but still, it was majorly about Goku.

It would be crass of me to generalize the fanbase for Dragon Ball, but from what I see, I think more development from characters other than Goku and Vegeta like some of the fans want would be a good thing.

But back to Super, I've grown to like the Champa Arc, even with its issues such as art or animation or the writing in some areas. Super got off to not a really good start, but from what I've seen in my opinion, the show can recover from the bumpy start. The fights are still better in the manga than the anime from my perspective, though. I wouldn't really be quick to criticize Super for lack of tension like others do because based on the tournament and Toriyama and Toyotaro's interview, Toriyama doesn't necessarily want to introduce a lot of tension yet, hence why Super seems to be lacking that so far in some's eyes. I concede that Super is not and may never be as good, much less better, than Dragon Ball Z, but it's pretty much all we have left in terms of new Dragon Ball material from Toriyama himself, so I'll try to enjoy the ride.

[TekTheNinja]

"Boo hoo, this series sucks cuz my fav character isn't important anymore, fuck super!!"

Hey look! Immaturity! You're missing the fucking point bro.

Also, Piccolo is only my 3rd favorite... First is Krillin and second is future Trunks. I feel like Krillin has been handled decently for what little he has done, and Future Trunk has no reason to be here so I'm glad he's not here right now.

The prequel trilogy had a vast amount of underdeveloped characters, particularly those of the Jedi Order.

Yes. Because the prequels suck.

[Kaboom]

"Boo hoo, this series sucks cuz my fav character isn't important anymore, fuck super!!"

This is not in any way a worthwhile contribution to the thread or an acceptable response to people's concerns. Please show a little more thought when you post.

[namekiansaiyan]

What we want is a better spread of character use. Let's compare it to another franchise for a second here... I'll use Star Wars. Who is the main character? Luke, clearly. But do the others do things? Yes, yes they do. It's pretty simple shit.

The original trilogy of the Star Wars movies was very good in that usage, yes, I wholeheartedly agree. But technically, the prequel trilogy had a vast amount of underdeveloped characters, particularly those of the Jedi Order. But that's none of my business.

While Super did start out weak (BoG arc was decent, RoF arc was ugh), the Champa Arc so far is good in my opinion, and Super is growing on me. While I do understand that basically Goku and Vegeta are the main characters in this, I still didn't like how Piccolo, Gohan, Buu and even Monaka were screwed over and ultimately thrown away (still holding out some hope for Monaka though). I understand that Piccolo, Gohan and Buu are nowhere near god level like Goku and Vegeta are, but I was a bit annoyed on how Monaka was made to be so, then is described as a total amateur. So, there is some truth to the show being a bit too much about Goku or Vegeta, but I don't want to say that's a terribad thing. I mean, wasn't the original series of Dragon Ball before the Z-era all about Goku? There were moments where other characters shined, yes, but still, it was majorly about Goku.

It would be crass of me to generalize the fanbase for Dragon Ball, but from what I see, I think more development from characters other than Goku and Vegeta like some of the fans want would be a good thing.

But back to Super, I've grown to like the Champa Arc, even with its issues such as art or animation or the writing in some areas. Super got off to not a really good start, but from what I've seen in my opinion, the show can recover from the bumpy start. The fights are still better in the manga than the anime from my perspective, though. I wouldn't really be quick to criticize Super for lack of tension like others do because based on the tournament and Toriyama and Toyotaro's interview, Toriyama doesn't necessarily want to introduce a lot of tension yet, hence why Super seems to be lacking that so far in some's eyes. I concede that Super is not and may never be as good, much less better, than Dragon Ball Z, but it's pretty much all we have left in terms of new Dragon Ball material from Toriyama himself, so I'll try to enjoy the ride.

That is biggesy reason why everyone gets pushed aside for Goku and Vegeta. If Toriyama can make up Super Saiyan God out of nowhere for Goku and Vegeta then he can find a power up for other characters as well.

[Majin Jator]

I have mixed feelings with this saga. When I forget about my expectatives for the tournament, or the potential of the idea, is pretty enjoyable actually. It reminds me of the tournaments of Dragon Ball, when they had to use strategy and overcome the tricks of their opponents.

On the other side..well, yeah, I wanted other characters to shine besides the saiyans. Don't get me wrong, everyone knew that Goku and Vegeta were going to be the stars of the show, and I personally was ok with that, but some cool moments for Buu and Piccolo would have been nice.

You want to disqualify Buu? I get it, is a hard character to write due to his set of powers. Disqualify him after he has turn Botamo into candy, or something like that.

Piccolo...well, this have been discussed enough already. I was really pissed off by how fast and unfairly he was put asidee, but after getting over it I must admit that his short battle was cool. The treatment he get in the RoF was way more annoying.

Anyway, I keep interested in this arc. Hit seems a cool character, not good but neither entirely evil, more like business man, wich maybe is fitting for a proffesional hitman. I don't think he´s going to be the big baddy...if there's one.

[Protege]

Outside of Goku and Vegeta I didnt really care about any of the other characters that happened to appear! They simple were not interesting. Just like i didnt care about any of the Universe 6 fighters who were for the most part single handedly defeated. Didnt care about Frost, didnt care about Cabba and certainly didn't care about Botamo. The story progression was just beyond crude and stale and i dont see it going anywhere outside the conclusion of what is going to happen to the super dragon balls!? The animation did slightly improve more but as it should have in the first place, since this is dragon ball were talking about.

And yeah Goku is definetely out of his character a bit, its like they made him more dumber than how he really was, since he did matured a lot after the cell saga and buu arc.

[DragonHermit]

I think people that watched the English dub, and watch Super will get that feeling due to Nozawa's voice acting, and lack of Faulconer music. Goku was never intended to be Superman
(heroic/serious character). But he does seem more like DB/DBGT Goku than DBZ Goku.

Also, I gotta disagree with you on characters. While Botamo is not really interesting, I am intrigued by Frost, Magetta, and really interested in Cabba, Champa, Vados, Hit. If Champa doesn't make you laugh until your ribs hurt, then there's something wrong with your sense of humor. A flamboyant, arrogant cat with 0 self awareness

[sintzu]

What we want is a better spread of character use. Let's compare it to another franchise for a second here...

You don't need another franchise, just look at DBZ, everyone got to shine in it which is why fans are so upset about the way Super is treating everyone.

Z is the reason why Vegeta, Piccolo, Gohan & Future Trunks are fan favorites.

[Danfun64]

I understand Vegeta, Gohan, and Future Trunks, but are you saying that Piccolo didn't become a fan favorite ever since his introduction in the original DB?

[namekiansaiyan]

I understand Vegeta, Gohan, and Future Trunks, but are you saying that Piccolo didn't become a fan favorite ever since his introduction in the original DB?

I think he means Z because that is what most people watched first.

[sintzu]

Are you saying that Piccolo didn't become a fan favorite ever since his introduction in the original DB?

He probably was but Z is where he got the majority of his shining moments.

In DB he was just the final villain of the tournament but in Z we see him team up with Goku, fight Nappa and give his life for Gohan, put up a good fight against Freeza's 2nd form, help Goku form the Spirit Bomb against Freeza, kick Gero's ass and force him to retreat, fuse with Kami and fight Cell and finally fight evenly with #17.

He kind of fell off the radar after that compared to Gohan and Vegeta but he was still present in the events that followed that fight.

[FTW395]

I don't get the people bitching about non-important characters not having a role in the series. I mean I watch this new Dragonball series because of the saiyans going to the next level in the God Hierarchy and not because of the Pilaf's gang bullshit adventures.

[Bansho64]

I don't get the people bitching about non-important characters not having a role in the series. I mean I watch this new Dragonball series because of the saiyans going to the next level in the God Hierarchy and not because of the Pilaf's gang bullshit adventures.

I respect you only wanting to see the saiyans play a part but not everyone wants that. Some want to see other characters doing other things. They don't want to just see Goku and Vegeta (this is not necessarily my opinion). Some people like the side characters. I'm not criticising what you want, I'm just saying that not everyone shares that point of view.

[namekiansaiyan]

I don't get the people bitching about non-important characters not having a role in the series. I mean I watch this new Dragonball series because of the saiyans going to the next level in the God Hierarchy and not because of the Pilaf's gang bullshit adventures.

No one is moaning about the pilaf gang, it is mainly Piccolo and Gohan with some Buu and just in general the misuse of charactersjsuch as Monaka if he is actually weak.