The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[RandomGuy96]

Why are people putting Frost rank below Buu? Goku had to go SSj to fight him and Goku is way stronger than he was in the Buu saga. Goku has the god powers absorb inside him now which makes his normal SSj form way above SSj3. Frost could beat any form of Majin Buu. His 4th form could easily kill Buuhan in one blast.

Frost is nowhere near SSJ Goku. Piccolo's Makankosappo was enough to beat him. Granted he was obviously weakened but still.

New matches:

Master Tsuru [Demon war arc] vs Tao Pai Pai.
Master Roshi [Demon war arc] vs Goku [Post Karin].
Moori vs Raditz.
Kibito vs Goku [Freeza arc, Kaioken x 20].
Jaco vs BoZ Goku.
Tagoma [Pre training] vs Ginyu [In Goku's body].

Crane Hermit should if anything be stronger in his physical prime. As a geezer, he still had a power level of 120, so he wipes the floor with Tao and Goku at the same time. Heck, throw in the entire RRA bar that nuclear missile Black had, it won't make a difference. To put this into context, both of these guys still could get hurt and stunned by rifle bullets, while Tao was critically injured by a grenade (a very powerful one with an explosion you'd expect from a 122mm howitzer shell, but still). Crane Hermit, on the other hand, is above Oozaru Goku from the Pilaf arc, who was stated in Daizenshuu 7 to have punches as powerful as a battleship's main gun. An Iowa-class battleship fires a 2,000-pound shell loaded with ~1,000 pounds of TNT equivalent...

So... yeah, Crane Hermit can effortlessly reduce these chumps to giblets with a single slap.

I go with Moori's power level from that movie 3 pamphlet for the lulz, so he one-shots Raditz.

Jaco displayed a lot more impressive feats than BOZ Goku, like easily lifting his spaceship and making a 300 foot vertical leap. He also has a gun that can outright vaporize large chunks of solid rock, which should kill any character before we hit the 22nd Budokai.

Ginyu, I guess. Power should be close to equal, but Ginyu likely has more experience.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

Why are people putting Frost rank below Buu? Goku had to go SSj to fight him and Goku is way stronger than he was in the Buu saga. Goku has the god powers absorb inside him now which makes his normal SSj form way above SSj3. Frost could beat any form of Majin Buu. His 4th form could easily kill Buuhan in one blast.

Frost is nowhere near SSJ Goku. Piccolo's Makankosappo was enough to beat him. Granted he was obviously weakened but still.

New matches:

Master Tsuru [Demon war arc] vs Tao Pai Pai.
Master Roshi [Demon war arc] vs Goku [Post Karin].
Moori vs Raditz.
Kibito vs Goku [Freeza arc, Kaioken x 20].
Jaco vs BoZ Goku.
Tagoma [Pre training] vs Ginyu [In Goku's body].

Crane Hermit should if anything be stronger in his physical prime. As a geezer, he still had a power level of 120, so he wipes the floor with Tao and Goku at the same time. Heck, throw in the entire RRA bar that nuclear missile Black had, it won't make a difference. To put this into context, both of these guys still could get hurt and stunned by rifle bullets, while Tao was critically injured by a grenade (a very powerful one with an explosion you'd expect from a 122mm howitzer shell, but still). Crane Hermit, on the other hand, is above Oozaru Goku from the Pilaf arc, who was stated in Daizenshuu 7 to have punches as powerful as a battleship's main gun. An Iowa-class battleship fires a 2,000-pound shell loaded with ~1,000 pounds of TNT equivalent...

So... yeah, Crane Hermit can effortlessly reduce these chumps to giblets with a single slap.

I go with Moori's power level from that movie 3 pamphlet for the lulz, so he one-shots Raditz.

Jaco displayed a lot more impressive feats than BOZ Goku, like easily lifting his spaceship and making a 300 foot vertical leap. He also has a gun that can outright vaporize large chunks of solid rock, which should kill any character before we hit the 22nd Budokai.

Ginyu, I guess. Power should be close to equal, but Ginyu likely has more experience.

Great ape Goku at the first tournament was just pushed to the side by a moon busting blast from roshi. That'd destroy the planet if it hit. Don't go by power levels, Goku BOZ isn't <100x the power of a fat farmer. The power levels are very inconsistent with how strong those people really were. The speed krillin had at the first tournament was faster then the speed of sound and light.

[Lord Beerus]

Hit vs Omega Shenron

Omega Shenron gets decked. I don't have any of the top tier GT fighters anywhere near SSJG tier and Hit appears to be well above that.

[apex_pretador]

Frost [vs Piccolo] vs Majin Boo [No magic].

if frost is seriously limited to the power he used against piccolo, I don't think he can win against buu.
However, if he's allowed to go all out (whether it is before or after goku fight), buu stands no chance in hell.

New matches:

Master Tsuru [Demon war arc] vs Tao Pai Pai.
Master Roshi [Demon war arc] vs Goku [Post Karin].
Moori vs Raditz.
Kibito vs Goku [Freeza arc, Kaioken x 20].
Jaco vs BoZ Goku.
Tagoma [Pre training] vs Ginyu [In Goku's body].

Tao Pai Pai stomps really hard. See below for explanation:

Goku one-shots without even trying. IMO , a better match will be post karin roshi vs post karin goku. (IMO, roshi & tsuru climbed karin tower after mutaito's death, hence became so strong)

Raditz one-shots. Raditz >= Saibaman >> 1000 >> Moori (weaker than suppressed young namekians)

Goku two-shots

Jaco doesn't stand a chance against adult saiyans by his own admission in Super.

Ginyu > Zarbon > Dodoria > Tagoma
Ginyu takes this with ease.

Hit vs Omega Shenron

Omega Shenron gets decked. I don't have any of the top tier GT fighters anywhere near SSJG tier and Hit appears to be well above that.

Seems like I missed it, but hit treats omega FAR worse than vegeta because he doesn't have to go on a "no kill routine" and SSB >>>> SS4 gogeta >>> Omega shenron

[Onibaku]

Jaco vs BoZ Goku.

How is this even a question... Like, really

[RandomGuy96]

The speed krillin had at the first tournament was faster then the speed of sound and light.

You have no idea what you're taking about.

[ZombieVito]

Goku one-shots without even trying. IMO , a better match will be post karin roshi vs post karin goku. (IMO, roshi & tsuru climbed karin tower after mutaito's death, hence became so strong)

Roshi trained with Karin before Piccolo's attack on Earth.

[DanielSSJ]

The speed krillin had at the first tournament was faster then the speed of sound and light.

That is a gross overestimation. There is a massive different between the speed of sight and the speed of light. Even saying he's at the speed of sound is highly doubtful.

[Noah]

...and SSB >>>> SS4 gogeta >>> Omega shenron

Sorry, but this is impossible.

[Lord Beerus]

...and SSB >>>> SS4 gogeta >>> Omega shenron

Sorry, but this is impossible.

Any kind of power ranking is possible in Dragon Ball. As long as you have a keyboard and internet access.

[Hellspawn28]

Why are people putting Frost rank below Buu? Goku had to go SSj to fight him and Goku is way stronger than he was in the Buu saga. Goku has the god powers absorb inside him now which makes his normal SSj form way above SSj3. Frost could beat any form of Majin Buu. His 4th form could easily kill Buuhan in one blast.

Frost is nowhere near SSJ Goku.

Goku told Freeza that he didn't go SSj to fight him. If Frost was weaker than Freeza, Goku won't need to transform. He would have fought Frost in his final form just fine on his own in base.

[apex_pretador]

Goku one-shots without even trying. IMO , a better match will be post karin roshi vs post karin goku. (IMO, roshi & tsuru climbed karin tower after mutaito's death, hence became so strong)

Roshi trained with Karin before Piccolo's attack on Earth.

is there any evidence for that? Or any indication?

[Sandubadear]

Goku one-shots without even trying. IMO , a better match will be post karin roshi vs post karin goku. (IMO, roshi & tsuru climbed karin tower after mutaito's death, hence became so strong)

Roshi trained with Karin before Piccolo's attack on Earth.

is there any evidence for that? Or any indication?

Roshi training with Karin:


Roshi in Piccolo vs. Mutaito:

[Khin]

Frost [vs Piccolo] vs Majin Boo [No magic].

- Frost reverts to his 1st Form and wrecks Buu.Assault Form Frost went toe to toe with a stronger version of Base Goku who is already leagues above SSj3 Gotenks and 1st Form Freeza.

Hit vs Omega Shenron

- Replace Frost with Omega Shenron in the scene in episode 35.

Jaco vs BoZ Goku.
Tagoma [Pre training] vs Ginyu [In Goku's body].

- DB Minus Jaco gets pwned.ROF Jaco wrecks Goku.
- I think Ginyu is more skilled,so he wins this one.

[hellobooboo14]

I don't know if this is right place to ask, but how did Mr. Buu keep up with Kid Buu during the end of Buu arc while the same Buu was helpless against a pure Evil Grey Buu?

[Desassina]

Perhaps Evil the Grey Buu is stronger than Kid Buu, which adds up when you consider that his power could have been suppressed by Good Buu into Super Buu's. Something along these lines, with the only consistent rule being that to add is to multiply, and to take is to divide:

Spoiler:

Kid Buu + South Kaioshin = Buff Buu -> 4 * 2 = 8
Buff Buu + Dai Kaioshin = Fat Buu -> 8 * 0.2 = 1.6
Fat Buu - South Kaioshin = Good Buu -> 1.6 / 2 = 0.8

If Evil Buu = Buff Buu, then:

Evil Buu + Good Buu = Super Buu -> 8 * 0.8 = 6.4
Super Buu - Fat Buu = Kid Buu -> 6.4 / 1.6 = 4

So, what happened when Fat Buu was pulled out? Super Buu ceased to be himself, and Kid Buu tapped into South Kaioshin's power from within Fat Buu, which slipped to reveal his pure self. Later down the road, Fat Buu is spit out from the inside, which includes both Kais' influence. We're talking about a lesser difference between the two compared to Evil Buu and Good Buu's.

[Khin]

I don't know if this is right place to ask, but how did Mr. Buu keep up with Kid Buu during the end of Buu arc while the same Buu was helpless against a pure Evil Grey Buu?

Either of these two.

1. Buu regained his former power.
2. Kid Buu < Grey Buu.And Fat Buu [Post Split] = Fat Buu [Pre Split]

[Hugo Boss]

I suppose creating another Boo took quite a toll on the fat one, which could explain why the skinny and fresh Boo had that much of advantage, apart from his physical upper hand. Goku and Vegeta themselves never noted the fat Boo was any weaker than when they fought him. So, I can't consider the fat Boo has two different power sets. Perhaps he regained most of his stamina after being separated from the evil Boo, thus explaining why he was able to stand up against a SS3-level Boo for a while.

[apex_pretador]

I don't know if this is right place to ask, but how did Mr. Buu keep up with Kid Buu during the end of Buu arc while the same Buu was helpless against a pure Evil Grey Buu?

Mr buu didn't "keep up" with kid buu, he was lat-out destroyed.

Remember that , unlike skinny buu, who was using his brain to give fat buu a proper beating, because he knew what he had to do, kid buu was just getting hit for fun. He actually beat fat buu to death unlike skinny buu did.
It was only due to his regeneration and stamina that he was able to survive that long against kid buu. Skinny buu didn't give him a chance.

See it like vegeta (at best 18000) vs goku KK x3 (24000+) was a better fight resembling kid buu vs fat buu.

However, Vegeta (24000) vs Dodoria (atleast 20000) was a fight resembling skinny buu vs fat buu, because vegeta / skinny buu were straight to the point, destroy.

Also, for all skinny buu > kid buu statements, well, it is HIGHLY unlikely, and heavily implied otherwise as vegeta lol'd at the idea of facing skinny buu or fat buu.
Skinny buu wsn't sensed to kaioshin realm either.

[Khin]

Vegeta,Gohan,Kuririn [Against Recoome],Monster Zarbon and Nail vs. Recoome and Burta