Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Lord Beerus]

Magetta though is a different story. He's pretty much impervious to Vegeta. Vegeta hurts his hand punching him. SSJ Vegeta also doesn't seem able to lift him either, so shit how heavy is Magetta that he can't be lifted? Vegeta only won via ring out, but other than that didn't look like he had a chance without SSJB.

Vegeta not being able to lift Magetta as a Super Saiyan is ridiculous, in my opinion. I mean, we've already seen Goku and Vegeta being to still move in body suits that seemed to weight like a metric ton, in their base forms. But SSJ Vegeta can't at all lift Magetta? I call shenanigans.

[Khin]

^ That just means that Magetta is incredibly heavy,

[ZombieVito]

It's just gag.

[Chiki]

Magetta though is a different story. He's pretty much impervious to Vegeta. Vegeta hurts his hand punching him. SSJ Vegeta also doesn't seem able to lift him either, so shit how heavy is Magetta that he can't be lifted? Vegeta only won via ring out, but other than that didn't look like he had a chance without SSJB.

Vegeta not being able to lift Magetta as a Super Saiyan is ridiculous, in my opinion. I mean, we've already seen Goku and Vegeta being to still move in body suits that seemed to weight like a metric ton, in their base forms. But SSJ Vegeta can't at all life Magetta? I call shenanigans.

Probably not the answer you're looking for, but it's solved with the two bases theory.

Also I'm pretty sure those suits weighed WAY more than a metric ton.

[Khin]

If we go by the two bases theory who most people claimed to be not much weaker than SSj Blue,Wouldn't Goku using Kaioken in that state a better choice ? Then why didn't he do it ?

[RandomGuy96]

Yeah, if base was only a small step down from SSB, I don't see why Goku wouldn't have just used that strain-free form with the Kaio-Ken rather than using a combination that gave him a 90% chance of death.

[Lord Beerus]

It's just gag.

At this stage, it's kinda difficult to discern what's a gag and what's not.

[Chiki]

If we go by the two bases theory who most people claimed to be not much weaker than SSj Blue,Wouldn't Goku using Kaioken in that state a better choice ? Then why didn't he do it ?

SSB has better ki control than base w/ god ki.

How do I know this? Base w/ god ki's ki can be sensed, but SSB's can't.

Also it's cooler and more fanservice-y.

[ZombieVito]

It's just gag.

At this stage, it's kinda difficult to discern what's a gag and what's not.

I'm pretty sure Goku tells Vegeta to use his head like him and he tries to lift Magetta but gets hit in the head.

[dbzfan7]

Yeah, if base was only a small step down from SSB, I don't see why Goku wouldn't have just used that strain-free form with the Kaio-Ken rather than using a combination that gave him a 90% chance of death.

It's never gonna make sense fully. Can't wait til next week when things make even less sense.

[TheMikado]

It's just gag.

At this stage, it's kinda difficult to discern what's a gag and what's not.

This is funnier then it should be.

[Lord Beerus]

It's just gag.

At this stage, it's kinda difficult to discern what's a gag and what's not.

I'm pretty sure Goku tells Vegeta to use his head like him and he tries to lift Magetta but gets hit in the head.

But... I don't get it. I thought the gag would have been like Vegeta literally using his head to attack Megetta. E.g. head butting him.

[Alee9977]

So, how strong Hit really is? Because he is fighting against a Goku that has a power of a SSJB with the kaioken x10 and he is still fighting, because, he shouldn't be able to even see when the kamehameha is shooted and he wouldnt be even able to dodge it, or fight inside of it.

[Lord Beerus]

So, how strong Hit really is? Because he is fighting against a Goku that has a power of a SSJB with the kaioken x10 and he is still fighting, because, he shouldn't be able to even see when the kamehameha is shooted and he wouldnt be even able to dodge it, or fight inside of it.

Well, given in the spoilers for future episodes, Champa is/was going to kill the U6 team for losing their matches and losing the tournament overall, I suppose he's still weaker than Champa and Beerus by default.

[Lord Frieza]

A while back someone asked be if Goku would ever become a Super Saiyan Blue 3? I dont think he needs to now.

Super Saiyan 2 is a x2 power boost

Super Saiyan 3 is a x4 power boost

So in theory a Super Saiyan Blue 3 is x2 + x4 power boost to Super Saiyan Blue - 1 x 2 x 4 = 8

Super Saiyan Blue Kaioh-Ken is a x10 power boost to Super Saiyan Blue - 1 x 10 = 10

If the SSB form allows him to use Kaioken why not just stack it anyway?
10x8 = 80!! While we are at it we could probably pull his tail out and get another x10 bonus.

x800 SSGSS !!!

The only downside with this idea I can see is that according to up to Super era information from Toriyama is that SS2 3 are forced transformations in the same vain as SS Grade 2 and 3. If that the case then it may not be possible to master them like SS and they would cause the user to waist valuable ki and loose some control over their power. It is this lost of control thats the most dangers as any mishandling of Ki while using Kaioh-ken can be fatal. So in terms of raw power kaioh-ken wins out especially as it meshes well with SSB's properties and can be potentially multiplied higher.

That being said a fusion of SSB and 4 should in theory be possible.

[dbzfan7]

So, how strong Hit really is? Because he is fighting against a Goku that has a power of a SSJB with the kaioken x10 and he is still fighting, because, he shouldn't be able to even see when the kamehameha is shooted and he wouldnt be even able to dodge it, or fight inside of it.

Well, given in the spoilers for future episodes, Champa is/was going to kill the U6 team for losing their matches and losing the tournament overall, I suppose he's still weaker than Champa and Beerus by default.

I brought up that even if Hit was stronger, he'd be worn out and easy pickings for Champa after the fight is over. Not saying he is stronger as I don't think so, but just an explanation if he were stronger.

[Bullza]

Magetta though is a different story. He's pretty much impervious to Vegeta. Vegeta hurts his hand punching him. SSJ Vegeta also doesn't seem able to lift him either, so shit how heavy is Magetta that he can't be lifted? Vegeta only won via ring out, but other than that didn't look like he had a chance without SSJB.

Vegeta not being able to lift Magetta as a Super Saiyan is ridiculous, in my opinion. I mean, we've already seen Goku and Vegeta being to still move in body suits that seemed to weight like a metric ton, in their base forms. But SSJ Vegeta can't at all lift Magetta? I call shenanigans.

I pointed something out a bit ago.

This watering can roughly hold about 4,100 tons of water not including the can itself and Goku was casually walking around watering the plants with it.



Then later Whis gives them the heavy suit and they say they can barely move so it would weigh MORE than the watering can. Later they do 50,000 full body push ups on just their thumbs while wearing that suit.

And you say SSJ Vegeta couldn't lift Magetta? He must be one heavy bitch.

[Lord Frieza]

Magetta though is a different story. He's pretty much impervious to Vegeta. Vegeta hurts his hand punching him. SSJ Vegeta also doesn't seem able to lift him either, so shit how heavy is Magetta that he can't be lifted? Vegeta only won via ring out, but other than that didn't look like he had a chance without SSJB.

Vegeta not being able to lift Magetta as a Super Saiyan is ridiculous, in my opinion. I mean, we've already seen Goku and Vegeta being to still move in body suits that seemed to weight like a metric ton, in their base forms. But SSJ Vegeta can't at all lift Magetta? I call shenanigans.

I pointed something out a bit ago.

This watering can roughly hold about 4,100 tons of water not including the can itself and Goku was casually walking around watering the plants with it.



Then later Whis gives them the heavy suit and they say they can barely move so it would weigh MORE than the watering can. Later they do 50,000 full body push ups on just their thumbs while wearing that suit.

And you say SSJ Vegeta couldn't lift Magetta? He must be one heavy bitch.

Ok so he can roughly lift 4,100 tons of water (not including the can) in base then....

SS = 4,100 x 50 = 205000 tons
SS2 = 205000 x 2 = 410000 tons
SS3 = 410000 x 4 = 1640000 tons!

[Bullza]

Ok so he can roughly lift 4,100 tons of water (not including the can) in base then....

SS = 4,100 x 50 = 205000 tons
SS2 = 205000 x 2 = 410000 tons
SS3 = 410000 x 4 = 1640000 tons!

Oh that'd be a very very sheer minimum. With the can that thing probably weighs say 5,000 or so tons. If he can casually walk around with that but can hardly move in the weighted suit then that's gotta weigh at least twice as much.

And Goku would practically be lifting that entire weight 50,000 times on just his thumb strenght. In one push with his whole body behind it he'd lift vastly more.

Then there's this



That has those weights weighing at least 55,200 tons. So as a SSJ3 he could lift 22 million tons.

If Goku had grown much stronger after that then maybe the weighted suit could weigh even more than those weights but that's just an assumption. The suit definitely weighs more than the watering can though.

[TheMikado]

According to the above if their base states are now equivalent to SSJ3 then Vegeta should be able to lift that in base or about 1.1 Billion tons.
For perspective that is equivalent to about 1.36% of the Moon's total mass meaning Magetta would need to weight more than that and if he ever landed on Earth's Moon would likely offset its rotation and elliptical orbit with his weight alone.

Sigh, I love power level discussions for this reason.