The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Smilodon]

New battles - No planet destruction


- Gohan vs super buu (Majin vegeta and kid gohan absorbed) , No candy beam , no absorbing

- Beerus 100% vs krillin (Beerus can't move / dodge, flare his ki / aura, or can't shoot energy blasts, Krillin throws keinzans till he gets tired)

- SS2 kid gohan vs 75 #16 (no bomb)

- Super Janembuuhan (buuhan + super Janemba) vs SS Vegetto (No hands)

- Freeza (Namek) vs Frost (U6 arc) [equal power levels , no stamina issue]

- SSG Gogeta VS Beerus

Mystic Gohan wins (he could fight against Super Boo + Gotenks SSJ3 and Piccolo). But any other Gohan version would lose;
Krillin would die like Tien against Nappa;
Kid Gohan would smash all of them like he did against Cell Jr;
Super Janembuuhan;
I think Frost is a little better fighter at all;
Based on whis...SSG Gogeta

[DanielSSJ]

17 and 18(no fusion, just fight together) vs 16 ?
Kid Gohan SSJ2 vs Vegeta just before Majin?
Krillin vs Chaos (with no ridiculous math test) 22 Tenkaichi Budokai?
Krillin (after Elder Guru upgrade) vs First Vegeta ?
Yajirobe vs Tamborine?

Now the fighters havin exatly the same Ki, without planet destruction. I will set the time but only to analyze their knowledge:

23 Tk Bdk Tien vs Namek Vegeta (just after learning to find Ki). Same power for both;
Goku (boo saga) vs Perfect Cell. Same power for both.
Namek Freeza vs Fat Boo. Same power again.
Paikuhan (at boo saga) vs Piccolo (now). Same power.

- 16 is significantly stronger and can't be worn down. Add Piccolo to the team and he still wins.
- Gohan's stronger, but Vegeta's more skilled. Tough call, but my money's on Vegeta.
- Kuririn could still find another way to distract Chaozu. Because Chaozu is an idiot.
- Kuririn is described as having a power level of about 10,000 in the manga and a power level of 13,000 in the guide books. Vegeta holds a significant advantage and he is too smart to get hit with a Kienzan. Vegeta wins.
- Yajirobe was able to stalemate Goku, and Goku commented on his resilience. Tambourine, on the other hand, went down like a bitch once Goku was back up to full power. Odds are Tambourine gets eaten like his brother.
- Vegeta is tougher and has Saiyan battle instinct whereas Tenshinhan has a plethora of moves to use. Odds are this'll go exactly how Goku vs Tenshinhan went during the 22nd TB, where Vegeta has a slight advantage but it could go either way.
- All of Cell's unique abilities give him a pretty decent advantage, but Goku could still work something out. My money's on Goku, because he tends to thrive in these kind of conditions.
- Boo has way too many unique powers to let Freeza win, not to mention that he learns absurdly quickly. Hell, Freeza can't even get away with blowing up the planet, since Boo would easily survive and regenerate back to full power.
- The two are probably evenly skilled, though I guess Paikuhan wouldn't want to take Piccolo's Makankosappo head on. Tough one, but I'm betting on Piccolo.

[ZombieVito]

Enraged SSJ2 Vegeta vs SSJ Goku.

Both from Super. Vegeta has the power indefinitely and Goku has all the ki from the Saiyans.

Who wins?

[Bansho64]

Enraged SSJ2 Vegeta vs SSJ Goku.

Both from Super. Vegeta has the power indefinitely and Goku has all the ki from the Saiyans.

Who wins?

SS Goku. Vegeta could only stand up to Beerus at 10% in that state, whereas Goku was atleast fighting Beerus at 50% or higher.

[ZombieVito]

Enraged SSJ2 Vegeta vs SSJ Goku.

Both from Super. Vegeta has the power indefinitely and Goku has all the ki from the Saiyans.

Who wins?

SS Goku. Vegeta could only stand up to Beerus at 10% in that state, whereas Goku was atleast fighting Beerus at 50% or higher.

This Goku is not a god.

[Bansho64]

This Goku is not a god.

Ohhhh ok. Beerus stomps then.

[apex_pretador]

Beerus> Goku SSB KKx10>>>>> Gogeta SSG

Pardon?

Anyway, new matches:

- Kaioken 10x SSGSS Goku vs. Full Power Champa

- Kaioken 10x SSGSS Goku vs. 80% to 100% Full Power Beerus

- Kaioken 20x SSGSS Goku vs. Whis

BONUS:

- Blue Oozaru (SSGSS + Oozaru) Vegeta vs. 10x Kaioken SSGSS Goku

- Champa
Beerus
Whis
Goku, because god form is incompatible with ozaru

new matches:

- Freeza Final Form vs. Vegetto SSJ

- Freeza First Form vs. SSJ3 Goku

- Piccolo vs. Super Perfect Cell

- Jaco vs. Monaka

- Kaioken 10x SSGSS Goku vs. 10 Golden Freeza

- Freeza blows up the planet or is forced to use yellow form.

- Freeza loses.

- Piccolo (Current?) stomps

- Monaka

17 and 18(no fusion, just fight together) vs 16 ?
Kid Gohan SSJ2 vs Vegeta just before Majin?
Krillin vs Chaos (with no ridiculous math test) 22 Tenkaichi Budokai?
Krillin (after Elder Guru upgrade) vs First Vegeta ?
Yajirobe vs Tamborine?

Now the fighters havin exatly the same Ki, without planet destruction. I will set the time but only to analyze their knowledge:

23 Tk Bdk Tien vs Namek Vegeta (just after learning to find Ki). Same power for both;
Goku (boo saga) vs Perfect Cell. Same power for both.
Namek Freeza vs Fat Boo. Same power again.
Paikuhan (at boo saga) vs Piccolo (now). Same power.

#16, he can't get tired, so you can add kamiccolo and he still wins.

Vegeta, he's confident and skilled

Krillin sill defeats the jobber

Vegeta wins

Yajirobe eats him
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Vegeta with ease. Tien doesn't have what it takes to hang with top fighters.

Goku, much better fighter.

Fat buu can't get tired, can't be defeated unless freeza charges death ball for long and fires it , but buu can turn him to candy. Buu

Piccolo wins with ease. Piccolo is just too good of a fighter. Pikkon couldn't beat goku even with power advantage, while piccolo at 3 years old, before merging with anyone, was able to nearly beat goku.

Enraged SSJ2 Vegeta vs SSJ Goku.

Both from Super. Vegeta has the power indefinitely and Goku has all the ki from the Saiyans.

Who wins?

Goku wins.

[Khin]

Gohan vs super buu (Majin vegeta and kid gohan absorbed) , No candy beam , no absorbing
Beerus 100% vs krillin (Beerus can't move / dodge, flare his ki / aura, or can't shoot energy blasts, Krillin throws keinzans till he gets tired)
SS2 kid gohan vs 75 #16 (no bomb)
Super Janembuuhan (buuhan + super Janemba) vs SS Vegetto (No hands)
Freeza (Namek) vs Frost (U6 arc) [equal power levels , no stamina issue]
SSG Gogeta VS Beerus

- Gohan still destroys Buu.Adding Vegeta and Kid Gohan's power won't make any difference whatsoever.
- Beerus literally just stands there and tanks all of Kuririn's kienzan until Kuririn runs out of energy and dies.
- Gohan tanks all of it.
- Vegetto fires a kamehameha in his feet and obliterates Janembuuhan
- Frost wins thanks to his poison.
- Gogeta ends up a bit stronger than Beerus,but not enough to beat him in a limited time.

Kaioken 10x SSGSS Goku vs. Full Power Champa
Kaioken 10x SSGSS Goku vs. 80% to 100% Full Power Beerus
Kaioken 20x SSGSS Goku vs. Whis
Blue Oozaru (SSGSS + Oozaru) Vegeta vs. 10x Kaioken SSGSS Goku

- Champa absolutely destroys Goku.
- Beerus wins,Goku's will run out of stamina before he can land any serious damage.
- Upon turning into Kaioken x20,Goku's body explodes.
- Goku have stamina issues,Vegeta can win this as long as he won't let Goku cut his tail off.

Freeza Final Form vs. Vegetto SSJ
Freeza First Form vs. SSJ3 Goku
Piccolo vs. Super Perfect Cell
Jaco vs. Monaka
Kaioken 10x SSGSS Goku vs. 10 Golden Freeza

- Vegetto would need SSj2 to fight him and would need SSj3 to win.
- Freeza finger flicks.
- Piccolo stomps,assuming you mean Champa Arc Piccolo.
- Like the other guy said,this is basically the SSj2 Gohan vs. Cell Juniors fight.

17 and 18(no fusion, just fight together) vs 16 ?
Kid Gohan SSJ2 vs Vegeta just before Majin?
Krillin (after Elder Guru upgrade) vs First Vegeta ?

- Basically the Imperfect Cell vs. Kamicollo and #17 fight.Just replace Cell with #16.
- Gohan wrecks Vegeta.Gohan isn't that much weaker than Buu Arc SSj2 Goku while Vegeta is significantly weaker.
- Saiyan Arc Vegeta ? If so,Kuririn gets one shotted.

[Gogegito]

Why Gotenks SSJ3 is only 4x stronger than Goku SSJ3, while they were able to hold on SSJ3 like 20x times longer , actually, only the fusion time itself was the limit for their SSJ3 form?

Also, Gotenks was able to delete Super Buu like 4 or 5 times without problems + showing off, while Mystic Gohan he was showing off too, but he had no real powers to completely delete Buu, except hard beating, yet it states than Mystic Gohan is stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks, I'm not really sure.

So


SSJ3 Gotenks full focused (100x kamikaze ghosts) vs Mystic Gohan?

[Khin]

SSJ3 Gotenks full focused (100x kamikaze ghosts) vs Mystic Gohan?

5 Kamikazee ghost will be enough.100 is overkill.

[DanielSSJ]

Why Gotenks SSJ3 is only 4x stronger than Goku SSJ3, while they were able to hold on SSJ3 like 20x times longer , actually, only the fusion time itself was the limit for their SSJ3 form?

Also, Gotenks was able to delete Super Buu like 4 or 5 times without problems + showing off, while Mystic Gohan he was showing off too, but he had no real powers to completely delete Buu, except hard beating, yet it states than Mystic Gohan is stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks, I'm not really sure.

So


SSJ3 Gotenks full focused (100x kamikaze ghosts) vs Mystic Gohan?

Gotenks can maintain SS3 for 5 minutes. Goku lasted at least that long against Pure Boo before his power began to fade. Anyway, raw power doesn't have much to do with a form's time limit. It has to do with how used to the form they are.

Gotenks' strength is bit hard to gauge due to his "dicking around" problem. There were plenty of points during that fight where Boo was able to score some hits against Gotenks, whereas he was completely incapable of touching Gohan. Boo only really started to lose towards the end of that fight, and that could be because Boo was stalling for fusion to end so that he'd be able to absorb Gotenks when he still had the 5 minutes. Here's the clincher for me: While Gohan was fighting Boo, Trunks says that he's just as strong as Gotenks was. Goten corrects him, saying that Gohan's even stronger, and Trunks reluctantly agrees. Knowing the ego on Trunks, that fact that he admitted inferiority says a lot about Gohan's power

To answer your final question, Gotenks' Ghost Kamikaze Attack would definitely seriously injure, if not kill Ultimate Gohan if Gohan actually allowed himself to be hit with it. As soon as Gotenks spawns them, Gohan blows them up with ki, which results in Gotenks taking all the damage.

[apex_pretador]

Also, Gotenks was able to delete Super Buu like 4 or 5 times without problems + showing off, while Mystic Gohan he was showing off too, but he had no real powers to completely delete Buu, except hard beating, yet it states than Mystic Gohan is stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks, I'm not really sure.

Trunks himself said that gohan was a little stronger than SS3 gotenks.

[ZombieVito]

Piccolo [U6 arc] vs SSJ3 Goku [Boo arc]

Goku doesn't know about Piccolo's stretch arm + Makankosappo strategy.

[Khin]

Piccolo [U6 arc] vs SSJ3 Goku [Boo arc]

Piccolo finger flicks.Piccolo matches have been bought up many times and i'm too lazy to write the same reason why i put him above Buuhan.

[DanielSSJ]

Piccolo [U6 arc] vs SSJ3 Goku [Boo arc]

Goku doesn't know about Piccolo's stretch arm + Makankosappo combo.

I tend to peg this Piccolo as being about as strong as Super Perfect Cell. Goku's obviously stronger, and if he couldn't break out of the stretchy-arm-grab with force, then he could easily escape with Instantaneous Movement. Goku also knows about the Makankosappo, so he'll know to avoid it at all costs. Goku wins with ease.

[VegetaSSJBlue]

Piccolo [U6 arc] vs SSJ3 Goku [Boo arc]

Goku doesn't know about Piccolo's stretch arm + Makankosappo strategy.

Goku finger flicks. Piccolo [U6 arc]=Perfect Cell.

[ZombieVito]

Piccolo [U6 arc] vs SSJ3 Goku [Boo arc]

Goku doesn't know about Piccolo's stretch arm + Makankosappo combo.

I tend to peg this Piccolo as being about as strong as Super Perfect Cell. Goku's obviously stronger, and if he couldn't break out of the stretchy-arm-grab with force, then he could easily escape with Instantaneous Movement. Goku also knows about the Makankosappo, so he'll know to avoid it at all costs. Goku wins with ease.

I completely forgot about IT haha. I feel dumb now.

Piccolo [U6 arc] vs SSJ3 Goku [Boo arc]

Piccolo finger flicks.Piccolo matches have been bought up many times and i'm too lazy to write the same reason why i put him above Buuhan.

Episode 30 confirms Boo > Piccolo still. Hopefully something happens in the next arc to remedy that.

[RandomGuy96]

Piccolo [U6 arc] vs SSJ3 Goku [Boo arc]

Goku doesn't know about Piccolo's stretch arm + Makankosappo strategy.

As you already noted, episode 30 heavily implies Mr. Buu is still above Piccolo by a good margin, and Goku is above Mr. Buu. I think the gap between Goku and Piccolo is big enough that not even Piccolo's grapple + SBC strategy helps him here- Goku just annihilates him with one punch.

[Analytic]

As you already noted, episode 30 heavily implies Mr. Buu is still above Piccolo by a good margin

Not doubting you (I don't watch Super so I wouldn't know), but when is this implied?

[Ash57]

^ We don't know if Good Buu is stronger than he was in Z. Even because they were putting their trust on him to fight against guys that they expected to be super duper strong, at least semi-god tier.