"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Discussion specifically regarding the "Dragon Ball Super" TV series premiering July 2015 in Japan, including individual threads for each episode.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by dbgtFO » Tue Apr 19, 2016 8:14 am

alakazam^ wrote:Still no dialogue posted on 2ch and they are too busy discussing the 6-10-15 power scale. Before that, they were having a Dragon Ball vs One Piece rave :lol:
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Chuquita » Tue Apr 19, 2016 10:50 am

If Vegeta doesn't use his galic gun/cannon in the manga, that semi-confirms Cabba learned the technique somewhere else and wasn't just mimicking Vegeta.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by sintzu » Tue Apr 19, 2016 11:05 am

Chuquita wrote:If Vegeta doesn't use his galic gun/cannon in the manga, that semi-confirms Cabba learned the technique somewhere else and wasn't just mimicking Vegeta.
He might not use it in the manga.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by alakazam^ » Tue Apr 19, 2016 11:47 am

Chuquita wrote:If Vegeta doesn't use his galic gun/cannon in the manga, that semi-confirms Cabba learned the technique somewhere else and wasn't just mimicking Vegeta.
Heroes calls it Galick Cannon (Gyalikku Kyanon) as opposed to Vegeta's Galick Cannon (Gyalikku Hou).

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by LightBing » Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:00 pm

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LightBing wrote:A solid chapter, there might be some very interesting dialogue. I'm surprised that Vegeta's fight with Magetta was almost completely a gag. It looked funny, but without dialogue, much is lost.
I like having a more serious fight in the anime and a more silly one in the manga. Both were good, I'm not sure if Iean more to one or the other.
I bet the gag one was Toriyama's original idea.
I doubt Toei would omit Mr.Toriyama's ideas, that's unbelievably disrespectful. I just think he didn't layout the fight, only the "Auta Magetta can't handle insults part" and therefore loses to Vegeta, besides him drink lava from a cup. Basically, all the stuff that's found in both the manga and the anime, should be considered 100% Toriyama, the rest is Toyotarõ and Toei filling the gaps.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Araki » Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:46 pm

LightBing wrote:I just think he didn't layout the fight, only the "Auta Magetta can't handle insults part" and therefore loses to Vegeta, besides him drink lava from a cup. Basically, all the stuff that's found in both the manga and the anime, should be considered 100% Toriyama, the rest is Toyotarõ and Toei filling the gaps.
Yeah, that's what it seems Toriyama is doing. For this fight in particular, i was thinking the best he wrote was probably something like "Vegeta can't do physical damage, struggles for a while, but wins because Magetta can't handle insults", besides giving some info about how Magetta operates. Then Toyotaro decided to give it a comedic approach.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Chuquita » Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:12 pm

alakazam^ wrote:
Chuquita wrote:If Vegeta doesn't use his galic gun/cannon in the manga, that semi-confirms Cabba learned the technique somewhere else and wasn't just mimicking Vegeta.
Heroes calls it Galick Cannon (Gyalikku Kyanon) as opposed to Vegeta's Galick Cannon (Gyalikku Hou).
Interesting! This only makes me more curious about Cabba's origins.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by apex_pretador » Tue Apr 19, 2016 2:04 pm

Chuquita wrote:If Vegeta doesn't use his galic gun/cannon in the manga, that semi-confirms Cabba learned the technique somewhere else and wasn't just mimicking Vegeta.
i don't think cabba will use it either.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by alakazam^ » Tue Apr 19, 2016 3:05 pm

If Cabba is the prince, as I think that's what the story is implying, then he'll surely do the same in the manga. If not the Galick Cannon, then the pose because it struck me as something royals learned.

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Post by Pannaliciour » Tue Apr 19, 2016 4:21 pm

I am.very curious how they are going to explain and show the time.leap of Hit.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by ParkerAL » Tue Apr 19, 2016 4:29 pm

Ajay wrote:Quite like Toyotaro culling the two fan-service moves from the Magetta fight. Should make the upcoming Kaioken feel more significant, rather than just another stop on the Dragon Ball moveset Greatest Hits.

Really enjoyed the art. Interesting compositions, and he got really expressive with Vegeta. That's what I like to see.
Yeah, for these reasons, I can still praise the manga, even though the anime version of Vegeta vs Magetta was by no means bad.

Toriyama used his special attacks sparingly, but in the Super anime lately it feels like we see a new one return in every fight.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Chuquita » Tue Apr 19, 2016 4:52 pm

Just got my copy of volume 1. I'm happy with it. I like the bonus stuff. The size and styling is like the tankobon which is cool. Will be collecting the remaining chapters this way.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by batistabus » Tue Apr 19, 2016 6:01 pm

I just LOVE the way Toyotaro draws Goku. It always looks like him, as opposed to the anime where he's RARELY on model. And all of the drawings just have so much personality. Unlike the anime, Botamo is still paying attention to the action and featured in reaction panels. I hope this continues with Magetta and Cabba.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Kuririn Fan » Wed Apr 20, 2016 1:27 am

First 4 chapters were useless - they were basically BoG synopsis with pictures. Now it's so far behind the anime, it doesn't even matter, and anime does it better anyway. The only good thing were those first few Champa chapters to hype us up while we suffer through those retellings.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Blade » Wed Apr 20, 2016 6:59 am

Kuririn Fan wrote:First 4 chapters were useless - they were basically BoG synopsis with pictures. Now it's so far behind the anime, it doesn't even matter, and anime does it better anyway. The only good thing were those first few Champa chapters to hype us up while we suffer through those retellings.
Hey, I dunno - I think Toyotaro did some cool stuff too - little things like throwing in Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks into the Beerus fight were plenty fun. It's maybe a little bit disorientating to view the whole volume of chapters as a lone work in isolation - as yeah, the scatterbrained logic of the pacing and omissions doesn't make a great deal of sense unless it's viewed in the context of what it actually is - a companion Manga.

I think it's a nice thing to have, though, and I'd rather that Toyotaro be commissioned to make something like this than us have to settle with some sort of an 'Anime Comic', like Shueisha did with GT.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by z_cherub » Wed Apr 20, 2016 6:36 pm

Kuririn Fan wrote:First 4 chapters were useless - they were basically BoG synopsis with pictures. Now it's so far behind the anime, it doesn't even matter, and anime does it better anyway. The only good thing were those first few Champa chapters to hype us up while we suffer through those retellings.
But it looks better than the anime most of the time.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Speedster » Wed Apr 20, 2016 10:23 pm

I like the manga, and I appreciate the good art and good concise storytelling but what I pay most attention at is in the overlapping plot-points it has with the anime. If something is BOTH in the anime AND the manga then it is has to be definitely in Toriyama’s "thick plot". On the most part the choreography and fighting sequences are left to Toei’s and Toyotaro’s imagination. I imagine Toriyama's "manuscript" contains something like this:

“First match is Goku vs Botamo. The match begins and Botamo bounces up and down and seemingly troubles base Goku. Goku then reveals he had just eaten too much and starts warming up by running around the ring. Botamo is attacking but Goku is too quick. Goku finishes the warm up and despite clearly superior to Botamo his attacks on him have no effect as Botamo's body is invulnerable to attacks. Not even the Kamehameha works! Goku still won't transform so early. He smartly defeats Botamo by grabbing his legs, forcing him to fall down, drugging him to the edge of the ring and throwing him out. While Botamo is pulled by Goku he tries to shoot blasts to escape but Goku dodges with ease.”

Well something like that...

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Kuririn Fan » Thu Apr 21, 2016 2:36 am

z_cherub wrote:
Kuririn Fan wrote:First 4 chapters were useless - they were basically BoG synopsis with pictures. Now it's so far behind the anime, it doesn't even matter, and anime does it better anyway. The only good thing were those first few Champa chapters to hype us up while we suffer through those retellings.
But it looks better than the anime most of the time.
Drawing one chapter a month ≠ making 4 episodes a month with fucked up schedule

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Sora Saiyan » Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:07 am

I enjoyed this chapter, I'd imagine Toriyama enjoying a gag fight like this Vegeta vs Magetta one. I wonder if he advised Toyotaro to do the fight like this.
Oh by the way, did anybody else notice that, that panel of Frost after he is kneed by Vegeta is so reminiscent of Goku after he is kneed by Raditz. It's basically a total copy of the pose.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by z_cherub » Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:08 am

Kuririn Fan wrote:
z_cherub wrote:
Kuririn Fan wrote:First 4 chapters were useless - they were basically BoG synopsis with pictures. Now it's so far behind the anime, it doesn't even matter, and anime does it better anyway. The only good thing were those first few Champa chapters to hype us up while we suffer through those retellings.
But it looks better than the anime most of the time.
Drawing one chapter a month ≠ making 4 episodes a month with fucked up schedule
I didn't say there was no reason for it, just that at the end of the day, it looks better.

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