Skar wrote:Zephyr wrote:That's missing my point. Toei always had the opportunity to mess around with colors, because their anime was always in color 100% of the time. Toriyama was crafting his story in a predominantly black and white medium where color changes outside of Super Saiyan's "no shading" wouldn't be possible to consistently convey.
All Toei could do was color in the designs that Toriyama came up with. It's not like Toei could've decided that each transformation of Freeza or Cell would just be a color change of their first form rather than the transformations Toriyama had designed for them. In GT, Toei had the freedom to not only pick the color but also create a new transformation for their original characters that only changed the color.
He's trying to say that Toriyama, having worked on a (mostly) black and white format of media, limited his use of colour for changes in designs and the like. BoG and RoF are movies with colour in mind, so he chose to make use of those opportunites. Conversely, Toei are always working with colour, and could have done this at any time.
I think you do have a bit of a point about the four-star dragon, but such pinpoint discussions about GT have been and gone years ago, and you can't exactly say that no one has ever thought about this. People ignore it (Probably unfairly) because it's GT. If it means anything, I agree with you now that you mention it. Besides, the point is associated with Toriyama specifically. He's discussed on numerous occasions about his expectation-betraying method. Certain people, certain ideas, certain discussions.
TheMikado wrote:
I don't see how the above is remotely true when SSJ(one of the most famous things he's famous for) was just a color change. You can argue an aura but even base Goku can have an aura. Further is discredits your premise that this is his first opportunity to work with color as the only change in his medium. I think this being one of his most successful designs proves he could easy have just make color changes only whenever he wanted, he just choose not too. I wouldn't try making up the narrative that him suddenly just changing colors is innovative because he's literally been doing it for years.
Erm, it also changed his very iconic hairstyle and (at the time) made him a much angrier person. I suppose muscle-mass could be brought in too, depending on how you see it. Certainly, there is not the same level of simplicity there. The point is that this design ethic kept snowballing over the different forms.
At the end of the day, Toriyama seems to have adopted views that are different to his former self. He's had time to reflect, and a bit of freedom from his old schedules and editors pushing him into certain design decisions. We've flipped the nature of the Saiyan forms upside down and are now working with a new, simpler method. Not every single decision of every single aspect of the franchise has to be a wacky and unexpected move. A change of pace here and there, that's fine. It keeps the series interesting.
Fanfiction, for better or for worse, has its stereotypes. However, fanfiction
is fanfiction. It often is not in a position for such scrutiny and criticism that official work is subjected to, and that's just the nature of these things. Feel free to disagree with me, but I doubt Toriyama is looking at much Dragon Ball fanart (Heck, not even Dragon Ball anything) on the internet. He's concerned with himself, what he's done, and what he thinks people expect as a result.
...Honestly, I personally think Blue is a fun, slightly clever move that acts as a logical progression from the ideas presented in BoG. The idea behind the form is interesting without being convoluted (And better than SSG, IMO).
