Durability Question

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Durability Question

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:50 pm

Would Cell or any villain like him be able to survive being sent into a Black Hole?

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Re: Durability Question

Post by ShaneisMC » Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:55 pm

Not even light is fast enough to escape a black hole. However thats the best we know of at least as far as I'm aware, so I dont know if we know what ones maximum pull is. That being said the better fighters by that point in the series are far faster than light. So I could see it happening I suppose.

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Re: Durability Question

Post by The Monkey King » Thu Apr 21, 2016 8:12 pm

Well the closest DBZ characters have come to dealing with the effects of a black hole is Garlic Jr's Dead Zone technique.

It's described by the Daizenshuu as such:
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Special Characteristics: A hyperspace created through heightened ki, which sucks in everything. It is a space which freezes even one’s body and soul, and which lets not even a streak of light escape. It the movies, Garlic Jr. generated one after being cornered by Goku and Piccolo, but through Gohan’s power he himself was sealed inside it (Daizenshuu 6, p.44). On TV Garlic Jr. planned to suck up the Heavenly Realm, but Gohan destroyed Planet Makyo, and Garlic Jr. was once again sealed inside it himself.
As you can see not even light can escape it's pull in a similar fashion to a black hole.

So for what it's worth Garlic Jr. survived being launched into it
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So maaaaybe Cell would survive being launched into a black hole...

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Re: Durability Question

Post by RedRibbonSoldier#42 » Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:24 pm

No. It doesn't matter how much durability you have, if you fall in a black hole you aren't coming out

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Post by Speedster » Fri Apr 22, 2016 11:27 am

If someone is thrown inside a blackhole then when they reach its centre they will experience an infinite gravitational force. So unless you are infinitely durable then there is no way to survive the exertion of an infinite force. Not sure whether Botamo could withstand it though-- he is supposedly disposing any force exerted on his body into another dimension, a dimension which can be infinite too (though unlikely as Champa will supposedly attempt to kill his contestants for losing and that includes Botamo). Anyway basically you need to be omnipotent to survive the force of a singularity. No character in Dragonball is omnipotent except probably Zarama.

Now whether it is possible to come out of a blackhole or resist falling into it before reaching its centre. I guess for as powerful characters as in Dragonball they will probably be able to escape the gravitational pull near the event horizon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_g ... d_solution

I should mention though that it is unconventional to talk about forces when it comes to black holes. Forces are a classical mechanics notion. In relativistic mechanics the effects of gravitational forces such as motion is the apparent effect of bending the fabric of space and time. Light cannot escape a blackhole because that’s just what its path is. Essentially if you are thrown into a blackhole your very essence will be infinitely stretched in space time. Similar to how Piccolo looks when gets caught in a Mafuba ... imagine this stretching you to infinity.

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Re: Durability Question

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:04 pm

I don't know about villains, but I bet Whis/Vados could do something to get out of one.
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Re: Durability Question

Post by Hitiro » Sat Apr 23, 2016 8:33 pm

RedRibbonSoldier#42 wrote:No. It doesn't matter how much durability you have, if you fall in a black hole you aren't coming out
That's not true. If it was Goku, Kibito, Pure Boo or Cell they would all have the ability to teleport out of the black hole.

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Re: Durability Question

Post by RedRibbonSoldier#42 » Sat Apr 23, 2016 11:53 pm

Hitiro wrote:
RedRibbonSoldier#42 wrote:No. It doesn't matter how much durability you have, if you fall in a black hole you aren't coming out
That's not true. If it was Goku, Kibito, Pure Boo or Cell they would all have the ability to teleport out of the black hole.
I don't know enough about black holes to know how possible it is to teleport out, but even if it is it would have nothing to do with durability, just teleportation powers

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Apr 24, 2016 4:04 am

Man, now I wanna see a DB villain die like this:
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Re: Durability Question

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Sun Apr 24, 2016 5:05 am

RedRibbonSoldier#42 wrote:
Hitiro wrote:
RedRibbonSoldier#42 wrote:No. It doesn't matter how much durability you have, if you fall in a black hole you aren't coming out
That's not true. If it was Goku, Kibito, Pure Boo or Cell they would all have the ability to teleport out of the black hole.
I don't know enough about black holes to know how possible it is to teleport out, but even if it is it would have nothing to do with durability, just teleportation powers
It shouldn't be possible unless you can teleport in time as well as space, since a black hole's event horizon cuts off both. Hence why I said Whis and Vados are the only ones who could probably do it, with the time reversing technique.
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Re: Durability Question

Post by MajinBrolyYamcha » Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:40 pm

If you are sucked into a black hole, you are not coming back.

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Re: Durability Question

Post by Saiyan007 » Wed Apr 27, 2016 12:17 am

MajinBrolyYamcha wrote:If you are sucked into a black hole, you are not coming back.
This is fiction plenty of characters have gone inside a black hole unscathed before

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Re: Durability Question

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Wed Apr 27, 2016 2:52 am

Saiyan007 wrote:
MajinBrolyYamcha wrote:If you are sucked into a black hole, you are not coming back.
This is fiction plenty of characters have gone inside a black hole unscathed before
Although you have to differentiate between a realistic black hole or the typical type of 'void' you so often see in various series that doesn't actually act like a real black hole.
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Re: Durability Question

Post by RedRibbonSoldier#42 » Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:45 am

Polyphase Avatron wrote:
Saiyan007 wrote:
MajinBrolyYamcha wrote:If you are sucked into a black hole, you are not coming back.
This is fiction plenty of characters have gone inside a black hole unscathed before
Although you have to differentiate between a realistic black hole or the typical type of 'void' you so often see in various series that doesn't actually act like a real black hole.
This is my main issue with talking about "feats" like escaping a black hole or "busting" a universe. In the real world, such things are completely impossible. So if characters can do them, it means that their universe and physical laws are not the same as ours. And therefore, how do we know that escaping a black hole is even difficult or impressive in that universe? Maybe the galaxies that these people are busting are actually really small and fragile and get blown apart all the time. Maybe their speed of light is only 50mph and my car could go FTL.

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