What if the humans used the gravity room?

[Bansho64]

People say the humans have reached the highest power level they can but I really disagree with that assessment. They have the gravity room, the RoSAT, Kaioken, yet none of those have been used yet. But I'm here to discuss only one-the gravity chamber. I know Goku mainly got the boosts from it because of all the Zenkais but I seriously think the humans could use it to reach the millions. Not to mention that Bulma could probably create a new chamber specifically for them that could reach 1000x gravity or higher. I'd like to hear what you guys think

[DBS916]

Good question. While I don't doubt any of the human characters can become more powerful if they trained hard enough, would the writers put them in good use when the times come for them to fight opponents.

[Kaboom]

I suspect that these types of harsh training environments and straining techniques like the Kaio-Ken are just too much for the Earthlings to handle. It's less about power level and more about having naturally tougher bodies that can take more punishment. Earthlings are just too frail compared to Saiyans or warrior-type Namekians, and can't put up with these things for any worthwhile amounts of time.

[Bansho64]

I suspect that these types of harsh training environments and straining techniques like the Kaio-Ken are just too much for the Earthlings to handle. It's less about power level and more about having naturally tougher bodies that can take more punishment. Earthlings are just too frail compared to Saiyans or warrior-type Namekians, and can't put up with these things for any worthwhile amounts of time.

Isn't there a way that their bodies could adapt to the different levels of pressure? They were able to stay on King Kai's planet and that was 10x gravity wasn't it?

[FoolsGil]

There's nothing actually stated that humans can't use the gravity room and make gains like Goku and Vegeta. But like anything else in this series, their gains won't matter. They'd be lucky to reach opponents in the First Form Freeza Range, while Goku is fighting battles that could wreck a universe.

But to answer your question, with enough discipline and training, I believe humans could reach a high enough level in the hundreds, but without a transformation they won't go much farther.

[LightBing]

The Humans can do what ever training the Saiyans did and get similar results. This has always been the case, before SSJ. The training in Kaio's is the last example in the manga. Unfortunately SSJ created a gap, which made the humans useless. Perfectly exemplified by Tenshinhan's rejection of the offer to train in the RoSaT.

Therefore I think Kuririn and Tenshinhan would be very close to the Base Saiyans(Pre-BoG), with Yamcha a bit behind. If they followed the same methods.

I don't think 1000x gravity training would be useful, seems like a diminishing returns method.

[Kaboom]

Isn't there a way that their bodies could adapt to the different levels of pressure? They were able to stay on King Kai's planet and that was 10x gravity wasn't it?

Yeah, 10x gravity was enough for them, and maybe they could get up to like 30x or something eventually too. But the Room of Spirit and Time doesn't just have high gravity, it also has up-and-down extremes in temperature too. That combined with the gravity would probably be too much for them, I suspect.

Also, even emulating the same training methods as the stronger heroes will only get the Earthlings so far. They don't have other natural race-exclusive traits to exploit like Saiyan healing boosts or Namekian fusions, both of which played a BIG part in the Saiyans' and Piccolo's growth. Those things are what really shot them ahead into the hundreds of thousands and even millions in power level during the Namek arc, and left the Earthlings permanently in their dust.

[Lord Beerus]

There's nothing actually stated that humans can't use the gravity room and make gains like Goku and Vegeta. But like anything else in this series, their gains won't matter. They'd be lucky to reach opponents in the First Form Freeza Range, while Goku is fighting battles that could wreck a universe.

But to answer your question, with enough discipline and training, I believe humans could reach a high enough level in the hundreds, but without a transformation they won't go much farther.

Pretty much this. Even if the humans used the gravity room extensively, I doubt they would make any kind of significant gains. And this stage, it wouldn't matter at all.

[Kuririn Fan]

There's nothing actually stated that humans can't use the gravity room and make gains like Goku and Vegeta. But like anything else in this series, their gains won't matter. They'd be lucky to reach opponents in the First Form Freeza Range, while Goku is fighting battles that could wreck a universe.

But to answer your question, with enough discipline and training, I believe humans could reach a high enough level in the hundreds, but without a transformation they won't go much farther.

Pretty much this. Even if the humans used the gravity room extensively, I doubt they would make any kind of significant gains. And this stage, it wouldn't matter at all.

Basically - we suck...

[Khin]

The humans seems to have more gains in special training than saiyans,they trained for about 1 year in Kami's place and they got massively stronger than Goku who trained there for 3 years,they also got more gains on Kaio's place than Goku.I assume the humans will get big gains and will probably break the 1 Million barrier,but they will still be useless in the Android arc and beyond.

[buutenks]

Goku got strong enough to handle 100x gravity, by hitting himself with ki blasts and using senzu beans to heal himself and get a zenkai boost.

A human cant do that.

vegeta proly trained himself half to death also and healed somewhere and did it again.

Plus ssj transformations.

[Lord Beerus]

There's nothing actually stated that humans can't use the gravity room and make gains like Goku and Vegeta. But like anything else in this series, their gains won't matter. They'd be lucky to reach opponents in the First Form Freeza Range, while Goku is fighting battles that could wreck a universe.

But to answer your question, with enough discipline and training, I believe humans could reach a high enough level in the hundreds, but without a transformation they won't go much farther.

Pretty much this. Even if the humans used the gravity room extensively, I doubt they would make any kind of significant gains. And this stage, it wouldn't matter at all.

Basically - we suck...

...Yeah.

[Bansho64]

Basically - we suck...

Well, my dreams have been officialy crushed Oh well.... I'll always have this iconic scene https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6zd_j9j7CkI

[Kamiccolo9]

I suspect that these types of harsh training environments and straining techniques like the Kaio-Ken are just too much for the Earthlings to handle. It's less about power level and more about having naturally tougher bodies that can take more punishment. Earthlings are just too frail compared to Saiyans or warrior-type Namekians, and can't put up with these things for any worthwhile amounts of time.

Every time this topic comes up, I say this, and every time I get blasted for it.

Earthlings just aren't built for stronger gravity. Having the destructive output to level planets doesn't matter when your heart can't pump blood through your body.



Incidentally, now that I think on it, eating must have been kinda awkward in the RoSaT. Unless the "building" area didn't have the higher gravity?

[Kuririn Fan]

Basically - we suck...

Well, my dreams have been officialy crushed Oh well.... I'll always have this iconic scene https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6zd_j9j7CkI

Yes!!! Always <3
Gaffer said it nicely : "But it is extraordinarily obnoxious that a series that gives the message of always continuing to push yourself has so many characters who have to shrug and say, "Well, it doesn't matter what I do. I'll never be good enough because I didn't win the genetic lottery."

[jplaya2023]

i bet the humans can wish to withstand 500X gravity from shenron

[xJeffx]

It's not like the gravity room is the only way for the humans to get stronger. They can ask the old kai to unlock their potential or become cyborgs.

[apex_pretador]

no matter what humans do, they are not reaching the level of namek freeza


Here's an analysis.
Yamcha and krillin
Goku >= Yamcha / krillin (BoDB)

- Goku gets training with roshi, they too get training with roshi
- Goku does street training and karin training, they too do it
(Note : goku also gets a few zenkais in to get a small lead)

GOKU DRINKS GOD WATER and gets a huge lead in,

- Goku trains with Kami & Popo, they also do. The lead is still intact.
- Goku Trains with kaio, Yamcha too & Krillin gets Guru boost

Goku trains with 100g ship, and gets a few zenkais in. Leaves humans to dust.
Goku gets HUGE ZENKAI and makes humans non-factor

- Goku trains for androids, they do it too

Goku trains in ROSAT and humans dont even bother.

Tien
Goku = Tien (22nd TB)

- Goku drinks the god water, then gets zenkai from piccolo daimao, Tien trains super-hard before 23rd TB to compensate this
- Goku trains with god, tien also
- Goku trains with kaio, tien also

Goku gets gravity training and gets a huge lead in

Goku gets a HUGE zenkai and leaves him to dust

- Goku trains for androids, Tien also does it too

Goku trains in ROSAT , tien doesn't bother




Add in 7 years of after life training , many years of super-hard (Surpass buuhan) training and still base goku is much weaker than 100% Freeza


Piccolo
Goku = Piccolo in 23rd TB /BOZ

- Goku trains with kaio, piccolo does it too
- Goku trains in gravity, piccolo compensates by training with gohan
- Goku gets a HUGE zenkai, Piccolo compensates by Nail merging
- Goku trains for androids, piccolo too
- Goku goes super saiyan , piccolo merges with kami
- Goku trains in RoSaT, Piccolo does it too. However, goku gets a lead because he trained with gohan (sparring partner)

- Goku trains in afterlife, piccolo trains at lookout

- Goku gets SS2, piccolo compensates by 5 year training
- Goku goes Super Saiyan 3, piccolo compensates by training with gohan in U6 arc

Goku trains very hard after buu arc, gets a really huge lead in
Goku goes Super Saiyan god, piccolo is fodder
Goku trains with whis, Piccolo is nothing
Goku Trains in RoSaT with vegeta , well ------

[rereboy]

I suspect that these types of harsh training environments and straining techniques like the Kaio-Ken are just too much for the Earthlings to handle. It's less about power level and more about having naturally tougher bodies that can take more punishment. Earthlings are just too frail compared to Saiyans or warrior-type Namekians, and can't put up with these things for any worthwhile amounts of time.

Every time this topic comes up, I say this, and every time I get blasted for it.

Earthlings just aren't built for stronger gravity. Having the destructive output to level planets doesn't matter when your heart can't pump blood through your body.



Incidentally, now that I think on it, eating must have been kinda awkward in the RoSaT. Unless the "building" area didn't have the higher gravity?

That logic kind of goes out of the window when we realize that the human body also certainly isn't built to smash rocks with bare hands and other similar feats, even in Dragon Ball. And yet the trained humans are able to easily do it.

It's one thing to claim that Saiyans are tougher by nature. It's another to claim that humans in the show just wouldn't be able to handle higher gravity due to nature. Especially when they handle Kaio's gravity more easily than when Goku was there.

[PrinceOfAllFans23]

The gravity chamber could be utilized at lower levels on a few of the human fighters. But we must remember that Yamaha tried going in there to prove to himself he could hold his own with vegeta and he barely survived. So I don't know if humans bodies are strong enough to take that kind of a beating. But that being said that was Yamaha and he isn't exactly the strongest human in the world.(it's actually krillin after namek) but if say krillin or tien were to use it at lower levels and work their ways up I do believe it would benefit then to an extent.