a big plothole?SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:I just noticed something while watching episode 37 again.
Cabba's line seems to imply that he can sense God ki.Everyone in BoG including SS3 Goku can't sense god ki.So SS3 Goku < SS Cabba confirmed at least ?Context : Vegeta turns SSB and said that Cabba might be able to reach this level someday.
Cabba : "I could gain this much power ?"
He's not. This assumption only follows if you think FF Frost = FF Frieza which is completely false, since Gotenks would have gotten owned by FF Frieza, while SS3 Gotenks >>>>> Buu, and Buu would have been able to defeat Frost (according to Goku hyping Buu up for the tournament).Bullza wrote:Why is base Gohan several times stronger than base Goku?What's the problem?
You seem to be able sense god ki if you're strong enough.Freeza and Hit can sense SSB Goku/Vegeta ki.Base Vegeta can also sense Whis' ki.apex_pretador wrote:a big plothole?
God ki can be just sensed by everyone now?
Sensing God ki seems to be a level you can reach.If Whis means level as in power level.Then SS3 Goku < SS Cabba.Minute: 17
Context: Whis provides highly detailed expository dialogue.
Whis: "Those two have just barely reached the level where they can sense the ki of a god. If that castle up there were the level of the gods, then their power is only about this high. They need to raise the level of their ki without becoming Super Saiyan. Otherwise, they won't be able to grow much stronger, since they won't be able to see the realm which lies ahead. Most likely, those two realize this themselves. After all, I never once told them not to become Super Saiyans."
Oracle Fish: "Well, whatever. Just don't kill them."
Cabba isn't god level though, it's implied that Buu would beat him easily.SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:You seem to be able sense god ki if you're strong enough.Freeza and Hit can sense SSB Goku/Vegeta ki.Base Vegeta can also sense Whis' ki.apex_pretador wrote:a big plothole?
God ki can be just sensed by everyone now?
Sensing God ki seems to be a level you can reach.If Whis means level as in power level.Then SS3 Goku < SS Cabba.Minute: 17
Context: Whis provides highly detailed expository dialogue.
Whis: "Those two have just barely reached the level where they can sense the ki of a god. If that castle up there were the level of the gods, then their power is only about this high. They need to raise the level of their ki without becoming Super Saiyan. Otherwise, they won't be able to grow much stronger, since they won't be able to see the realm which lies ahead. Most likely, those two realize this themselves. After all, I never once told them not to become Super Saiyans."
Oracle Fish: "Well, whatever. Just don't kill them."
Being above SS3 Goku =/= God tier.And no,Boo was never strongly implied to beat Cabba easily.Chiki wrote:Cabba isn't god level though, it's implied that Buu would beat him easily.
What exactly proves base Gohan is several times stronger than base Goku?Bullza wrote:Why is base Gohan several times stronger than base Goku?What's the problem?
but vegeta and goku were undergoing special training which completely changed their ki structure.SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:You seem to be able sense god ki if you're strong enough.Freeza and Hit can sense SSB Goku/Vegeta ki.Base Vegeta can also sense Whis' ki.apex_pretador wrote:a big plothole?
God ki can be just sensed by everyone now?
Sensing God ki seems to be a level you can reach.If Whis means level as in power level.Then SS3 Goku < SS Cabba.Minute: 17
Context: Whis provides highly detailed expository dialogue.
Whis: "Those two have just barely reached the level where they can sense the ki of a god. If that castle up there were the level of the gods, then their power is only about this high. They need to raise the level of their ki without becoming Super Saiyan. Otherwise, they won't be able to grow much stronger, since they won't be able to see the realm which lies ahead. Most likely, those two realize this themselves. After all, I never once told them not to become Super Saiyans."
Oracle Fish: "Well, whatever. Just don't kill them."
to rest.Vegeta was the only one who undergoes special training at that point.Goku just arrived at Beerus' place at that time.He trained for like 10 hours and those were just changing Beerus' bedsheet,cutting grasses,doing housework,lifting weights and such.apex_pretador wrote:but vegeta and goku were undergoing special training which completely changed their ki structure.
Cabba isn't SS3 tier. He's equal to Base Vegeta w/o SSG power who is equal to Base Goku w/o SSG power who was weaker than FF Frost. So Buu > FF Frost > Base Cabba.SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:Being above SS3 Goku =/= God tier.And no,Boo was never strongly implied to beat Cabba easily.Chiki wrote:Cabba isn't god level though, it's implied that Buu would beat him easily.
There is no clear evidence for the two bases theory,i don't care if you believe it or not but the line i posted seems to imply that SS Cabba is stronger that SS3 Goku.Chiki wrote:Cabba isn't SS3 tier. He's equal to Base Vegeta w/o SSG power who is equal to Base Goku w/o SSG power who was weaker than FF Frost. So Buu > FF Frost > Base Cabba.
Goku never hyped Buu,he said they won't leave Buu out because of his insane durability and weird abilities,he is also one of the strongest guys barring Goku,Vegeta and Monaka.Goku had no idea whatsoever how strong the U6 guys will turn out,Why would Buu be hyped up by Goku then?
proof that buu > Frost?Chiki wrote:Cabba isn't SS3 tier. He's equal to Base Vegeta w/o SSG power who is equal to Base Goku w/o SSG power who was weaker than FF Frost. So Buu > FF Frost > Base Cabba.SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:Being above SS3 Goku =/= God tier.And no,Boo was never strongly implied to beat Cabba easily.Chiki wrote:Cabba isn't god level though, it's implied that Buu would beat him easily.
Why would Buu be hyped up by Goku then?
but again, goku's ki structure was already changed due to SSG power being absorbed and integrated in him?SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:Vegeta was the only one who undergoes special training at that point.Goku just arrived at Beerus' place at that time.He trained for like 10 hours and those were just changing Beerus' bedsheet,cutting grasses,doing housework,lifting weights and such.apex_pretador wrote:but vegeta and goku were undergoing special training which completely changed their ki structure.
Piccolo is vastly stronger than Frieza so Gohan would have to be vastly more powerful than Goku.dbgtFO wrote:What exactly proves base Gohan is several times stronger than base Goku?Bullza wrote:Why is base Gohan several times stronger than base Goku?What's the problem?
Because he's stronger than Piccolo? Maybe Piccolo's just been nerfed like Gohan himself was.
If you reject the two base theory, then let me rephrase the argument for you:SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:There is no clear evidence for the two bases theory,i don't care if you believe it or not but the line i posted seems to imply that SS Cabba is stronger that SS3 Goku.Chiki wrote:Cabba isn't SS3 tier. He's equal to Base Vegeta w/o SSG power who is equal to Base Goku w/o SSG power who was weaker than FF Frost. So Buu > FF Frost > Base Cabba.
Goku never hyped Buu,he said they won't leave Buu out because of his insane durability and weird abilities,he is also one of the strongest guys barring Goku,Vegeta and Monaka.Goku had no idea whatsoever how strong the U6 guys will turn out,Why would Buu be hyped up by Goku then?
Chiki wrote:If you reject the two base theory, then let me rephrase the argument for you:SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:There is no clear evidence for the two bases theory,i don't care if you believe it or not but the line i posted seems to imply that SS Cabba is stronger that SS3 Goku.Chiki wrote:Cabba isn't SS3 tier. He's equal to Base Vegeta w/o SSG power who is equal to Base Goku w/o SSG power who was weaker than FF Frost. So Buu > FF Frost > Base Cabba.
Goku never hyped Buu,he said they won't leave Buu out because of his insane durability and weird abilities,he is also one of the strongest guys barring Goku,Vegeta and Monaka.Goku had no idea whatsoever how strong the U6 guys will turn out,Why would Buu be hyped up by Goku then?
Cabba isn't SS3 tier. He's equal to Base Vegeta who is equal to Base Goku who was weaker than FF Frost. So Buu > FF Frost > Base Cabba. Buu is SS2/low SS3 tier so FF Frost is weaker than that and so is Base Cabba.
If he is one of the strongest guys barring Goku, Vegeta and Monaka, then my argument is right since Piccolo did well against FF Frost.
He is.Base Goku and Vegeta in RoF was more or less on par with Final Form Freeza who in his first form should be at the very very very least as strong as SS Gohan in RoF.Chiki wrote:If you reject the two base theory, then let me rephrase the argument for you:
Cabba isn't SS3 tier. He's equal to Base Vegeta who is equal to Base Goku who was weaker than FF Frost. So Buu > FF Frost > Base Cabba. Buu is SS2/low SS3 tier so FF Frost is weaker than that and so is Base Cabba.
If he is one of the strongest guys barring Goku, Vegeta and Monaka, then my argument is right since Piccolo did well against FF Frost.
Base Goku is not as strong as SSG Goku.That would make the powerscaling even more messy than already is.Bullza wrote:If Base Goku is supposed to be as strong as Super Saiyan God Goku and Final Form Frost is stronger than Base Goku....then how is Buu stronger than Frost when he's not even as strong as Super Saiyan 3?
SSG goku >> Base goku >> SS3 goku > Mystic gohan >> SS3 goku (buu arc) >> Fat buu >= Mr buuBullza wrote:If Base Goku is supposed to be as strong as Super Saiyan God Goku and Final Form Frost is stronger than Base Goku....then how is Buu stronger than Frost when he's not even as strong as Super Saiyan 3?
