Bullza wrote:And Beerus told Goku that it was Champa's universe and his rules which implies that if he wanted to kill them all right there on the spot then there's really nothing they could so about it. It certainly looked that way.
Not confirmed. Zeno's attendants may be the powerful ones.
I suppose that's possible. Mr Popo and Kabito were attendants and they were weaker but then Nail (was he an attendant?) and Whis were stronger. There were two of them though so if they're just somewhat generic non character bodyguards then maybe they're not as strong.
Pretty much.
And yea, I wouldn't exactly jump to the conclusion of Zeno being ridiculously strong as we've seen more than once that characters with high ranks/titles aren't always strong, though Beerus and Champa becoming particularly nervous in front of him does somewhat suggest they could be pretty damn powerful.
TheMikado wrote:I stopped coming here... If not worth the frustration. Just wanted to see if any has any idea as to where the characters are powerswise in relation to gods.
You say you stopped coming here... yet you came here again.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Bullza wrote:And Beerus told Goku that it was Champa's universe and his rules which implies that if he wanted to kill them all right there on the spot then there's really nothing they could so about it. It certainly looked that way.
Not confirmed. Zeno's attendants may be the powerful ones.
I suppose that's possible. Mr Popo and Kabito were attendants and they were weaker but then Nail (was he an attendant?) and Whis were stronger. There were two of them though so if they're just somewhat generic non character bodyguards then maybe they're not as strong.
Pretty much.
And yea, I wouldn't exactly jump to the conclusion of Zeno being ridiculously strong as we've seen more than once that characters with high ranks/titles aren't always strong, though Beerus and Champa becoming particularly nervous in front of him does somewhat suggest they could be pretty damn powerful.
As usual, you ignore my comments because you can't address them. Beerus simply tells Goku not to interfere because it would be wrong of him to do so. It was not implied that Champa would actually be able to kill Hit; he could've killed Cabba and that would give Goku equal reason to be worried about it. it doesn't mean that Hit is weaker than Champa. Maybe Goku wanted to prevent a drawn out fight between them, or Goku didn't want Champa to kill Cabba. That's all. Further, Hit was already injured.
Lord Beerus wrote:From Herms on Twitter:
Beerus tells Goku not to interfere with Champa killing his fighters. His universe, his rules.
Well, there you have it. It doesn't really come any clearer than that. Beerus >= Champa >>> Hit >> SSJB-KKx10 Goku
Like I said, it doesn't mean that Hit is weaker than Champa. Maybe Goku wanted to prevent a drawn out fight between them, or Goku didn't want Champa to kill Cabba. That's all.
Also, we know that KKx10 SSB Goku is definitely >>> Hit. Hit just has the techniques needed to defeat Goku regardless of the power gap. It was made abundantly clear in this episode.
Bullza wrote:Are the Dragons even that powerful? Piccolo easily killed Shenron.
Zarama isn't Shenron. He's so big that he dwarfs a galaxy and he created planet sized Dragon Balls. Not to mention it being said he's capable of granting ANY wish.
I don't think you can compare him to Shenron or Porunga to be honest.
Chiki wrote:Goku and Hit's ki made Champa shit his pants lol.
At this point it's obvious that KK Goku >>>> Beerus/Champa.
LMAO...no. Champa > Hit > KK Goku. Champa was going to vaporize Hit. Hit was like that Omni-king appeared and interrupted
Toyotarō: … I get the feeling I’ve just heard something amazing (laughs). Lord Beerus and Whis turn up in Dragon Ball Super, and have become an unsurpassable wall for Goku and the gang. What do the two of them mean to you?
Toriyama: Well… First off, right now I don’t have any plans for Goku and Vegeta to surpass Beerus and Whis.
Why do still think kkx10 goku is stronger than beerus/champa like people forget what akira said about goku and veggie not surpassing those those for now.
It's hard to say how big Zarama is, he's up against the camera and the galaxy is in the distance. He might not be nearly that big yet.
But him being bigger might not mean he's powerful. Shenron is much bigger than Piccolo but was still killed easily. Maybe Beerus could kill Zarama easily.
Also I hope Zeno isn't that powerful, his character design is so bad that I just don't want that thing to be the strongest character in the franchise. I'm hoping that it's like when Piccolo was all nervous and shocked around Supreme Kai even though he was stronger.
Hopefully Beerus and Champa are just nervous because of his status rather than his power.
Chiki wrote:Goku and Hit's ki made Champa shit his pants lol.
At this point it's obvious that KK Goku >>>> Beerus/Champa.
LMAO...no. Champa > Hit > KK Goku. Champa was going to vaporize Hit. Hit was like that Omni-king appeared and interrupted
And Champa shit his pants when Hit looked at him.
We could do this all day.
If you think Hit is stronger than Champa or Vados, you're delusional
Toyotarō: … I get the feeling I’ve just heard something amazing (laughs). Lord Beerus and Whis turn up in Dragon Ball Super, and have become an unsurpassable wall for Goku and the gang. What do the two of them mean to you?
Toriyama: Well… First off, right now I don’t have any plans for Goku and Vegeta to surpass Beerus and Whis.
Faisal Shourov wrote:If you think Hit is stronger than Champa or Vados, you're delusional
Don't insult him. It'll just lead to you getting account strikes. Just ignore his posts or put him on ignore. I've already been down this road with him and it'll get you nowhere. Trust me.
Faisal Shourov wrote:If you think Hit is stronger than Champa or Vados, you're delusional
Don't insult him. It'll just lead to you getting account strikes. Just ignore his posts or put him on ignore. I've already been down this road with him and it'll get you nowhere. Trust me.
Ok
Toyotarō: … I get the feeling I’ve just heard something amazing (laughs). Lord Beerus and Whis turn up in Dragon Ball Super, and have become an unsurpassable wall for Goku and the gang. What do the two of them mean to you?
Toriyama: Well… First off, right now I don’t have any plans for Goku and Vegeta to surpass Beerus and Whis.
So.. the ultimate question remains.
Do you all think the Omni King is really stupendously powerfull? like omnipotent for instance or a high level reality warper..
Or.. is he just really important?
i personally don't see any reason for Beerus and Champa to freak out so much IF he really wasn't that powerful physically or any magical reality warping skills.
just being very important doesn't freak me out.
