Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[LowRyder2005]

There are quite some other alternative explanations you may want to consider. The simplest one may probably be that Goku went for broke. He was trying to one-shot Hit, and had to counter his time-skipping technique: he tried to raise his power as much as he could to secure a victory for himself.
That, or going from "SSB + KK*2" to "SSB + KK*10" was comparatively less risky than going from SSB to "SSB + KK*2".

It's a matter of opinions; nevertheless, Super Saiyan Blue having no "normal ki" is more or less an established fact based on what we have so far.
It's not like Chiki is trying to prove you wrong, ssbgoku, it's more like you are trying to disprove something the anime had already tried to, tentatively, establish as a "rule". The rule being "SSB can't be sensed by normal people, unless you are about as strong or stronger than a SSB".

Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course. But I think you should consider what point your interlocutor is trying to send across to you here.

[ssbgoku]

There are quite some other alternative explanations you may want to consider. The simplest one may probably be that Goku went for broke. He was trying to one-shot Hit, and had to counter his time-skipping technique: he tried to raise his power as much as he could to secure a victory for himself.
That, or going from "SSB + KK*2" to "SSB + KK*10" was comparatively less risky than going from SSB to "SSB + KK*2".

It's a matter of opinions; nevertheless, Super Saiyan Blue having no "normal ki" is more or less an established fact based on what we have so far.
It's not like Chiki is trying to prove you wrong, ssbgoku, it's more like you are trying to disprovesomething that the anime already tried to establish as a "rule". The rule being "SSB can't be sensed by normal people, unless you are about as strong or stronger than a SSB".

Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course. But I think you should consider what point he's trying to send across to you here.

I am not denying anything which anime shows me on. I just use my head and what dragon ball has shown all the time with base goku becoming ssj goku was just base ki multiplied by transformation state. There is just more to ssb transformation, however it would be similliar.

Base goku-> base level ki x multiplier of ss transformation-> ssj goku/ssj2 goku/ssj3 goku
Base goku-> base level ki-> base level divine ki x ssb tranformation-> ssb goku

I am going to admit defeat just show me kaioken multiplying tranfromated state of character, the mention, scan or anything like that.

[Chiki]

There are quite some other alternative explanations you may want to consider. The simplest one may probably be that Goku went for broke. He was trying to one-shot Hit, and had to counter his time-skipping technique: he tried to raise his power as much as he could to secure a victory for himself.
That, or going from "SSB + KK*2" to "SSB + KK*10" was comparatively less risky than going from SSB to "SSB + KK*2".

It's a matter of opinions; nevertheless, Super Saiyan Blue having no "normal ki" is more or less an established fact based on what we have so far.
It's not like Chiki is trying to prove you wrong, ssbgoku, it's more like you are trying to disprovesomething that the anime already tried to establish as a "rule". The rule being "SSB can't be sensed by normal people, unless you are about as strong or stronger than a SSB".

Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course. But I think you should consider what point he's trying to send across to you here.

I am not denying anything which anime shows me on. I just use my head and what dragon ball has shown all the time with base goku becoming ssj goku was just base ki multiplied by transformation state. There was something else about ssb transformation, however it would be similliar.

Base goku-> base level ki x multiplier of ss transformation-> ssj goku/ssj2 goku/ssj3 goku
Base goku-> base level ki-> base level divine ki x ssb tranformation-> ssb goku

I am going to admit defeat just show me kaioken multiplying tranfromated state of character, the mention, scan or anything like that.

Hit already says he does... lol. He says his power is multiplying by x3, x4, and finally x10.

What Hit said according to me: His power is multiplying by x3, x4.. x10! (this is what he actually says)
What Hit said according to you: His base ki that was converted into divine ki after transforming is multiplying by x3, x4... x10, but the rest of his divine ki isn't! (he does not say this)

What I said is right, period, and there is no room for disagreement on this. Sorry.

[LowRyder2005]

show me kaioken multiplying tranfromated state of character, the mention, scan or anything like that.

Well, in that regard, the filler of Goku facing against Pikkon in the Tournament which may be what you're looking for: he uses the Kaioken combined with his Super Saiyan and he's able to knock him around.
If he had stacked the Kaioken on top of his Super Saiyan, Goku would have jumped from 50 to 51 or 52. 60 at most, if you want to think it was a Kaioken *10.

Instead, it's pretty clear that he's superior to Pikkon in that state, so it probably means he multiplied his Super Saiyan two or more times. Otherwise, while not being totally impossible, it sounds quite harder to believe that he could've surpassed Pikkon (someone superior to Super Perfect Cell) just by adding 1/50 or 1/5 to his total power.

[ssbgoku]

There are quite some other alternative explanations you may want to consider. The simplest one may probably be that Goku went for broke. He was trying to one-shot Hit, and had to counter his time-skipping technique: he tried to raise his power as much as he could to secure a victory for himself.
That, or going from "SSB + KK*2" to "SSB + KK*10" was comparatively less risky than going from SSB to "SSB + KK*2".

It's a matter of opinions; nevertheless, Super Saiyan Blue having no "normal ki" is more or less an established fact based on what we have so far.
It's not like Chiki is trying to prove you wrong, ssbgoku, it's more like you are trying to disprovesomething that the anime already tried to establish as a "rule". The rule being "SSB can't be sensed by normal people, unless you are about as strong or stronger than a SSB".

Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course. But I think you should consider what point he's trying to send across to you here.

I am not denying anything which anime shows me on. I just use my head and what dragon ball has shown all the time with base goku becoming ssj goku was just base ki multiplied by transformation state. There was something else about ssb transformation, however it would be similliar.

Base goku-> base level ki x multiplier of ss transformation-> ssj goku/ssj2 goku/ssj3 goku
Base goku-> base level ki-> base level divine ki x ssb tranformation-> ssb goku

I am going to admit defeat just show me kaioken multiplying tranfromated state of character, the mention, scan or anything like that.

Hit already says he does... lol. He says his power is multiplying by x3, x4, and finally x10.

What Hit said according to me: His power is multiplying by x3, x4.. x10!
What Hit said according to you: His base ki that was converted into divine ki after transforming is multiplying by x3, x4... x10, but the rest of his divine ki isn't!

What I said is right, period, and there is no room for disagreement on this. Sorry.

You can not counter me and neither I can to you. Just wait for Akira to speak up or for more hints proving/disapproving me.

My main issue is beerus being less then 10% against ssg goku while screaming and keeping power up and even making angry face for no reason once needed to power up.
Taking that in consideration either you are right and ssb kakioken x10 goku > beerus, mine route is correct or Akira will comes up with something else.

show me kaioken multiplying tranfromated state of character, the mention, scan or anything like that.

Well, in that regard, the filler of Goku facing against Pikkon in the Tournament which may be what you're looking for: he uses the Kaioken combined with his Super Saiyan and he's able to knock him around.
If he had stacked the Kaioken on top of his Super Saiyan, Goku would have jumped from 50 to 51 or 52. 60 at most, if you want to think it was a Kaioken *10.

Instead, it's pretty clear that he's superior to Pikkon in that state, so it probably means he multiplied his Super Saiyan two or more times. Otherwise, while not being totally impossible, it sounds quite harder to believe that he could've surpassed Pikkon (someone superior to Super Perfect Cell) just by adding 1/50 or 1/5 to his total power.

Besides it being filler I would agree. The problem is with ssg goku being below 10% beerus of power to make it work like that. While my route with kaioken mutlplying only untransfromed state makes only hit's words being wrong which then could be as it was just hype, nothing else make conflict. This way we have:

hit's words being wrong vs 10% beerus > ssg goku. I pick up first one definietly.

[Chiki]

You can not counter me and neither I can to you. Just wait for Akira to speak up or for more hints proving/disapproving me.

My main issue is beerus being less then 10% against ssg goku while screaming and keeping power up and even making angry face for no reason once needed to power up.
Taking that in consideration either you are right and ssb kakioken x10 goku > beerus, mine route is correct or Akira will comes up with something else

Look, the anime already proved you completely wrong. This isn't even a matter of debate. You're overly complicating everything. The anime even SAID that your base ki Kaioken theory is wrong because Hit outright says Goku's overall power is multiplying, and not just his base ki. You wanted a statement, and I gave you one, so you can't just say "oh well that one doesn't count!".

Akira Toriyama, let's be honest, isn't the smartest guy when it comes to making anime. He is a simple man with great talents. The guy can't even remember who Tao Pai Pai is. He also forgot about SS2 and only remembered it while rereading the manga for Super. Do you really think he'll make such a complicated distinction between SSB having base ki converted to divine ki that is multiplied by Kaioken? And do you also think Hit can notice the subtle distinction between divine ki that was converted from base ki and divine ki solely from SSB? No, he's not going to put something that complicated in his anime. Toriyama wants to keep this as simple as possible. Even the two base theory, which may be a little complicated, was needed for the story to not be completely boring (SSG Base Vegeta OHKOing Magetta and Cabba, etc.),is nowhere near as complicated as the base ki Kaioken theory.

[Marlowe89]

I came up with this (convoluted) idea that, nevertheless, may put some of you at peace: what if Beerus was referencing the 10% of his "suppressed state" against Vegeta, and 100% of his suppressed state vs. Goku?

Nah. Herms' translation makes it clear that Beerus was referring to "10% or so of his full power". Also, the 10% part is his suppressed state. I mean that's pretty clear-cut and unambiguous.

I just don't think there's much leeway here, really. I would either have to conclude that A.) Goku's SSBK form is potentially stronger than Beerus/Champa, although that doesn't necessarily mean he would win in that form, B.) Goku's SSBK form only multiplies his base power, or C.) Toei (or Toriyama) retconned an established power metric.

[ssbgoku]

You can not counter me and neither I can to you. Just wait for Akira to speak up or for more hints proving/disapproving me.

My main issue is beerus being less then 10% against ssg goku while screaming and keeping power up and even making angry face for no reason once needed to power up.
Taking that in consideration either you are right and ssb kakioken x10 goku > beerus, mine route is correct or Akira will comes up with something else

Look, the anime already proved you completely wrong. This isn't even a matter of debate. You're overly complicating everything. The anime even SAID that your base ki Kaioken theory is wrong because Hit outright says Goku's overall power is multiplying, and not just his base ki. You wanted a statement, and I gave you one, so you can't just say "oh well that one doesn't count!".

Akira Toriyama, let's be honest, isn't the smartest guy when it comes to making anime. He is a simple man with great talents. The guy can't even remember who Tao Pai Pai is. He also forgot about SS2 and only remembered it while rereading the manga for Super. Do you really think he'll make such a complicated distinction between SSB having base ki converted to divine ki that is multiplied by Kaioken? And do you also think Hit can notice the subtle distinction between divine ki that was converted from base ki and divine ki solely from SSB? No, he's not going to put something that complicated in his anime. Toriyama wants to keep this as simple as possible. Even the two base theory, which may be a little complicated, was needed for the story to not be completely boring (SSG Base Vegeta OHKOing Magetta and Cabba, etc.),is nowhere near as complicated as the base ki Kaioken theory.

That could only mean there is nothing to go by. Akira is just making characters as powerfull as needed at any moment and he is not following any previously estabilished universe logic. If that is case then Forget it. However if it is otherwise let's see who has more to back up his route of thoughts:

Yours(ssb x kaioken multiplier):

- disapprove ssg goku forcing beerus to make efforts and power up many of times in fight
- goku and vegeta taking on beerus while teaming up
- hit having trouble even with ssb goku, but only gaining upperhand due to hax technique
- kaioken x 10 goku would stomp hit so hard that he would kill him by barerly touching him (x10 above hit)
- goku and vegeta being nothing to beerus even as ssb

Mine(ssb + base level x kaioken multiplier):

- disapprove only hit's comments about multiplying ssb's power through kaioken.

Just note there is a little to to disapprove in my's case. Either way I will go with Akira doesn't care and changes it's on whim.

[Chiki]

You can not counter me and neither I can to you. Just wait for Akira to speak up or for more hints proving/disapproving me.

My main issue is beerus being less then 10% against ssg goku while screaming and keeping power up and even making angry face for no reason once needed to power up.
Taking that in consideration either you are right and ssb kakioken x10 goku > beerus, mine route is correct or Akira will comes up with something else

Look, the anime already proved you completely wrong. This isn't even a matter of debate. You're overly complicating everything. The anime even SAID that your base ki Kaioken theory is wrong because Hit outright says Goku's overall power is multiplying, and not just his base ki. You wanted a statement, and I gave you one, so you can't just say "oh well that one doesn't count!".

Akira Toriyama, let's be honest, isn't the smartest guy when it comes to making anime. He is a simple man with great talents. The guy can't even remember who Tao Pai Pai is. He also forgot about SS2 and only remembered it while rereading the manga for Super. Do you really think he'll make such a complicated distinction between SSB having base ki converted to divine ki that is multiplied by Kaioken? And do you also think Hit can notice the subtle distinction between divine ki that was converted from base ki and divine ki solely from SSB? No, he's not going to put something that complicated in his anime. Toriyama wants to keep this as simple as possible. Even the two base theory, which may be a little complicated, was needed for the story to not be completely boring (SSG Base Vegeta OHKOing Magetta and Cabba, etc.),is nowhere near as complicated as the base ki Kaioken theory.

That could only mean there is nothing to go by. Akira is just making characters as powerfull as needed at any moment and he is not following any previously estabilished universe logic. If that is case then Forget it. However if it is otherwise let's see who has more to back up his route of thoughts:

Yours:

- disapprove ssg goku forcing beerus to make efforts and power up multiply of times in fight
- goku and vegeta taking on beerus while teaming up
- hit having trouble even with ssb goku, but only gaining upperhand due to hax technique
- kaioken x 10 goku would stomp hit so hard that he would kill him by barerly touching him (x10 above hit)
- goku and vegeta being nothing to beerus even as ssb

Mine:

- disapprove only hit's comments about multiplying ssb's power through kaioken.

Just note there is a little to to disapprove in my's case. Either way I will go with Akira doesn't care and changes it's on whim.

1. ? I don't disapprove this. I think SSG Goku is a 6, Beerus is a 10 and Whis is a 15. I also think that SSBx2 Kaioken Goku is like a 15 or so, making him more powerful from Beerus.
2. I don't disapprove this. If SSB Goku and Vegeta are 7.5 then they can take on Beerus while teaming up.
3. I don't disapprove this.
4. This is a problem for every theory because it's established that SSB Goku > Hit and Hit's power doesn't go up, only his Tokitobashi technique increases in effectiveness.
5. I think Goku and Vegeta could tie with or defeat Beerus together as SSBs.

[ssbgoku]

1. ? I don't disapprove this. I think SSG Goku is a 6, Beerus is a 10 and Whis is a 15. I also think that SSBx2 Kaioken Goku is like a 15 or so, making him more powerful from Beerus.
2. I don't disapprove this. If SSB Goku and Vegeta are 7.5 then they can take on Beerus while teaming up.
3. I don't disapprove this.
4. This is a problem for every theory because it's established that SSB Goku > Hit and Hit's power doesn't go up, only his Tokitobashi technique increases in effectiveness.
5. I think Goku and Vegeta could tie with or defeat Beerus together as SSBs.

1. ok, however that make problem with kaioken bigger then two times...
2. ok
3. ok
4. Exactly, my main issue with ssb x kaioken multiplier.
5. ok.

Well I believe I can see your point and agree wit that. Damn This kaioken multiplying made mess in something which could be bearable to swallow as ok(pl)

EDIT: we can always go by god scale is just tier numbers to show where goku and other characters stand then kaioken multiplying goku's ssb power can work and still being below beerus and champa, but we still have to deal with hit surving at least goku's hit....

[LowRyder2005]

I came up with this (convoluted) idea that, nevertheless, may put some of you at peace: what if Beerus was referencing the 10% of his "suppressed state" against Vegeta, and 100% of his suppressed state vs. Goku?

Nah. Herms' translation makes it clear that Beerus was referring to "10% or so of his full power". Also, the 10% part is his suppressed state. I mean that's pretty clear-cut and unambiguous.

I just don't think there's much leeway here, really. I would either have to conclude that A.) Goku's SSBK form is potentially stronger than Beerus/Champa, although that doesn't necessarily mean he would win in that form, B.) Goku's SSBK form only multiplies his base power, or C.) Toei (or Toriyama) retconned an established power metric.

You are absolutely right. I happened to see that other portion afterwards and Beerus talks about "full power".
However, the fact that he added that Vegeta is an ant to him, while he compliments Super Saiyan God Goku's power still stands. So the Raging Vegeta and God Goku can't be comparable in power.

So I'd say that he really went for the "I'm gonna jump to 10% and stay that way for giggles". So Vegeta is, again, like some "0.1%" and Beerus multiplied his power a hundred of times or so (0.05% to 10%) for fun. Super Saiyan God Goku is, on the other hand, the only one who is capable of giving him a fight (6% of Beerus).

The other hypothesis: nitpicking on the phrasing, he wanted to imply that he wasn't at 10% even against Vegeta... while it's basically always overlooked, Beerus simply says "it's been a long time since I've used 10% or so of my full strength", not "it had been a long time since" - which would have suggested, therefore, that the "wasn't forced to use his 10%" condition had necessarily expired.

[Chiki]

1. ok, however that make problem with kaioken bigger then two times...
2. ok
3. ok
4. Exactly, my main issue with ssb x kaioken multiplier.
5. ok.

Well I believe I can see your point and agree wit that. Damn This kaioken multiplying made mess in something which could be bearable to swallow as ok(pl)

Yes, Kaioken x10 SSB Goku is a 75 or an 80 or so. Ridiculous, given that Whis who is 15 can OHKO Beerus who is 10 (he did so in BoG).

There is absolutely no way that Kaioken x2 SSB Goku is weaker than Beerus given how scared Beerus was of x2 SSB Goku and the 10% Beerus Vegeta statement and the 6-10-15 scale and SSB Goku being stronger than SSG Goku.

Super Saiyan God Goku is, on the other hand, the only one who is capable of giving him a fight (6% of Beerus).

That's not a fight. What you're suggesting is, Krillin can give Second Form Frieza a fight, too. LOL I don't think so. Or Yamcha can give Recoome a fight, or Chiaotzu can give Saiyan Saga Vegeta a fight..

The only way SSG Goku can give Beerus a fight is if he's 60% of Beerus.

[LowRyder2005]

1. ok, however that make problem with kaioken bigger then two times...
2. ok
3. ok
4. Exactly, my main issue with ssb x kaioken multiplier.
5. ok.

Well I believe I can see your point and agree wit that. Damn This kaioken multiplying made mess in something which could be bearable to swallow as ok(pl)

Yes, Kaioken x10 SSB Goku is a 75 or an 80 or so. Ridiculous, given that Whis who is 15 can OHKO Beerus who is 10 (he did so in BoG).

There is absolutely no way that Kaioken x2 SSB Goku is weaker than Beerus given how scared Beerus was of x2 SSB Goku and the 10% Beerus Vegeta statement and the 6-10-15 scale and SSB Goku being stronger than SSG Goku.

Super Saiyan God Goku is, on the other hand, the only one who is capable of giving him a fight (6% of Beerus).

That's not a fight. What you're suggesting is, Krillin can give Second Form Frieza a fight, too. LOL I don't think so. Or Yamcha can give Recoome a fight, or Chiaotzu can give Saiyan Saga Vegeta a fight..

The only way SSG Goku can give Beerus a fight is if he's 60% of Beerus.

I meant "to give him a fight while he keeps his power at 10%", obviously. To elaborate upon your examples, not unlike Piccolo giving Second Form Freeza a fight.

[ssbgoku]

1. ok, however that make problem with kaioken bigger then two times...
2. ok
3. ok
4. Exactly, my main issue with ssb x kaioken multiplier.
5. ok.

Well I believe I can see your point and agree wit that. Damn This kaioken multiplying made mess in something which could be bearable to swallow as ok(pl)

Yes, Kaioken x10 SSB Goku is a 75 or an 80 or so. Ridiculous, given that Whis who is 15 can OHKO Beerus who is 10 (he did so in BoG).

There is absolutely no way that Kaioken x2 SSB Goku is weaker than Beerus given how scared Beerus was of x2 SSB Goku and the 10% Beerus Vegeta statement and the 6-10-15 scale and SSB Goku being stronger than SSG Goku.

Super Saiyan God Goku is, on the other hand, the only one who is capable of giving him a fight (6% of Beerus).

That's not a fight. What you're suggesting is, Krillin can give Second Form Frieza a fight, too. LOL I don't think so. Or Yamcha can give Recoome a fight, or Chiaotzu can give Saiyan Saga Vegeta a fight..

The only way SSG Goku can give Beerus a fight is if he's 60% of Beerus.

Alright, but what about a bit different approach ? Like this:

we can always go by god scale is just tier numbers to show where goku and other characters stand then kaioken multiplying goku's ssb power can work and still being below beerus and champa, but we still have to deal with hit surving at least goku's hit....

although it would be put ssg goku less then 50% power of beerus, nah nothing make sense so far... ;/

[Chiki]

I meant to give him a fight while he keeps his power at 10%, obviously. To elaborate upon your examples, not unlike Piccolo giving Second Form Freeza a fight.

Yes, you did, but Beerus doesn't undergo form changes which have a power cap unlike Frieza. Of course Piccolo can give Second Form Frieza a good fight, but when Frieza got to his Final Form, no one could give him a fight even when he was using 2 or 3% of his power.

we can always go by god scale is just tier numbers to show where goku and other characters stand then kaioken multiplying goku's ssb power can work and still being below beerus and champa, but we still have to deal with hit surving at least goku's hit....

although it would be put ssg goku less then 50% power of beerus, nah nothing make sense so far... ;/

"God scale is tier numbers" argument also doesn't work.

1. SSG Goku being 60% of Beerus is stated in BoG. This is the reason why Toriyama used the 6/10/15 scale to begin with.
2. Toriyama is a simple man, and he gave a quick comment without much thought on their respective power levels. God scale = tier numbers is too complicated for him. He would have to care a lot about power levels and be a very smart man indeed to have meant something much more complicated. He doesn't even remember who Tao Pai Pai is, so I highly doubt he would put much thought to power levels. LOL

[LowRyder2005]

I meant to give him a fight while he keeps his power at 10%, obviously. To elaborate upon your examples, not unlike Piccolo giving Second Form Freeza a fight.

Yes, you did, but Beerus doesn't undergo form changes which have a power cap unlike Frieza. Of course Piccolo can give Second Form Frieza a good fight, but when Frieza got to his Final Form, no one could give him a fight even when he was using 2 or 3% of his power.

But he suppresses his power according to his adversary, which is pretty much the relevant part here.
He does say Vegeta and Goku had "entertained" him to some degree, so it means that he can draw at least some modicum of enjoyment regardless of the strenght of his opponent.

[Chiki]

I meant to give him a fight while he keeps his power at 10%, obviously. To elaborate upon your examples, not unlike Piccolo giving Second Form Freeza a fight.

Yes, you did, but Beerus doesn't undergo form changes which have a power cap unlike Frieza. Of course Piccolo can give Second Form Frieza a good fight, but when Frieza got to his Final Form, no one could give him a fight even when he was using 2 or 3% of his power.

But he suppresses his power according to his adversary, which is pretty much the relevant part here.
He does say Vegeta and Goku had "entertained" him to some degree, so it means that he can draw at least some modicum of enjoyment regardless of the strenght of his opponent.

That would be really weird if he got entertained by that. It would be like Cell being entertained by Yamcha or something lol.

Frieza was entertained in his Final Form because he's a sadist and wanted to kill them in revenge for using his Dragon Ball wishes, so that doesn't count. We know Beerus isn't like that. There is no reason why he would be entertained by it. Why didn't he go and fight Yamcha for entertainment instead?

And I also find it silly that SSG Goku is only like x2 as powerful as SS2 Angry Vegeta when SSG Goku's ki can't even be sensed, meaning that SSG Goku's godly ki should put him on a completely different level compared to SS2 Angry Vegeta.

[LowRyder2005]

That would be really weird if he got entertained by that. It would be like Cell being entertained by Yamcha or something lol.

Frieza was entertained in his Final Form because he's a sadist and wanted to kill them in revenge for using his Dragon Ball wishes, so that doesn't count. We know Beerus isn't like that. There is no reason why he would be entertained by it. Why didn't he go and fight Yamcha for entertainment instead?

And I also find it silly that SSG Goku is only like x2 as powerful as SS2 Angry Vegeta when SSG Goku's ki can't even be sensed, meaning that SSG Goku's godly ki should put him on a completely different level compared to SS2 Angry Vegeta.

I stress that those are not my words. That's just what Beerus himself says: "you entertained me more than the other Saiyan".

I wouldn't say it's really strange, concept-wise: if you try to beat someone in middle school in arm wrestling, giving the chance to use both hands while you only use your pinky you may have a dramatic encounter even though, on paper, you'd be far stronger than your opponent. Therefore, you may draw some entertainment regardless.
Handicaps, in general, are used just to create balance (and a more stimulating/entertaining environment for both contestants). In that case, according to Beerus' own set of rules, Vegeta was the one who gave him more entertainment and he acknowledged that.

Anyway, in my head, I picture Vegeta as a measly 0.15%, with Beerus jumping straight to 10% for fun (Beerus doesn't ever say he was forced to use his 10%, after all).
Super Saiyan God Goku is a whopping 40 times stronger than that, so I'd say it wouldn't really create contradictions.

Super, had already went out of his way to establish that Beerus never ever had really used his full power against Goku back in the BOG saga:

Minute: 20
Context: after Beerus suddenly falls asleep
Whis: “There’s no helping it. He normally sleeps, eats and watches anime. Even though he's gone soft, he went straight to using his full power, without doing warm-up exercises first. He overdid it.”

Minute: 22
Context: right after the above conversation
Whis: “Saying that you acknowledged Goku-san and would bring out 100% of your power was just a means of drawing out his full power. It was a lie, wasn’t it?”
Beerus: “You knew, didn’t you? Hmph.”
Significance: So according to this, Beerus never truly used his full power against Goku. In BoG it’s finally revealed he had only been fighting with 70% of his power, but in Super we don’t get anything so exact.

[Chiki]

I stress that those are not my words. That's just what Beerus himself says: "you entertained me more than the other Saiyan".

I wouldn't say it's really strange, concept-wise: if you try to beat someone in middle school in arm wrestling, giving the chance to use both hands while you only use your pinky you may have a dramatic encounter even though, on paper, you'd be far stronger than your opponent. Therefore, you may draw some entertainment regardless.
Handicaps, in general, are used just to create balance (and a more stimulating/entertaining environment for both contestants). In that case, according to Beerus' own set of rules, Vegeta was the one who gave him more entertainment and he acknowledged that.

Anyway, in my head, I picture Vegeta as a measly 0.15%, with Beerus jumping straight to 10% for fun (Beerus doesn't ever say he was forced to use his 10%, after all).
Super Saiyan God Goku is a whopping 40 times stronger than that, so I'd say it wouldn't really create contradictions.

It is strange though. Just because he said "you entertained me more than the other Saiyan" doesn't mean that he got much entertainment out of it. He might've found the whole ordeal boring and found the other part of the ordeal slightly less boring.

Why would Beerus jump to 10% to fight a 0.15% Vegeta? Didn't you say Beerus is someone who cares about entertainment? Why isn't he fighting at 1% instead?

If I went to a grocery store, I wouldn't buy a 15 cent candy with 10 dollars. I would buy it with a 1 dollar bill if I had to. Same deal here.

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However, the fact that he added that Vegeta is an ant to him, while he compliments Super Saiyan God Goku's power still stands. So the Raging Vegeta and God Goku can't be comparable in power.

Well, Vegeta normally IS an ant to him. I just think it's clear from the context of Beerus' statement that Beerus was complimenting Rageta when he said it's been a while since he used 10% of his full power.

I'm not completely averse to the idea of Beerus being multitudes stronger than SSB Goku who is multitudes stronger than Rageta, but if we go along that route I think we should call it exactly what it is, which is Toei/Toriyama retroactively deciding that they wanted Beerus to be much stronger than originally intended.