What did you think of the Champa arc?

[Kuririn Fan]

Goku didn't weaken Freeza like he did in the movie which gave Vegeta's fight more weight cause Goku was getting beaten up throughout his fight with Golden Freeza.

Freeza was weakened and had stamina issues.

[sintzu]

Goku didn't weaken Freeza like he did in the movie which gave Vegeta's fight more weight cause Goku was getting beaten up throughout his fight with Golden Freeza.

Freeza was weakened and had stamina issues.

I know but in the movie he had that and Goku beating him up and blasting him with a huge Kamehameha.

[Kuririn Fan]

Goku didn't weaken Freeza like he did in the movie which gave Vegeta's fight more weight cause Goku was getting beaten up throughout his fight with Golden Freeza.

Freeza was weakened and had stamina issues.

I know but in the movie he had that and Goku beating him up and blasting him with a huge Kamehameha.

It's the same thing, Vegeta did nothing special.

[Hellspawn28]

I like that Vegeta had a bigger role this around. Fans didn't like that he didn't get a chance to kill Freeza in ROF or have a bigger role in GT, so I feel like it made it up for it.

[LightBing]

It's still not finished. We have Zarama next episode and the Omni-King talking, a lot can still happen. The conclusion will be very important to evaluate this arc.

[fadeddreams5]

They're similar but they're not as similar as you make them out to be.

Pikkon wasn't an enforcer, Grand Kai just asked both Goku and Pikkon to go down to hell to stop whoever it was from causing trouble.

Goku was never powerless against Pikkon, they had a back and forth like when Goku fought Roshi, Tien and Piccolo Jr. He was never completely outmatched like he was with Hit.

Pikkon and Goku were also getting along quite well before they even fought, they were pretty friendly with each other. I can't remember it very well but I don't think Pikkon was looking down on Goku or anything.

Pikkon was a hero who died a heroic death and got to keep his body in Heaven whereas Hit is an assassin who kills people for money.

They have different backstories, but the parallels are still there.

And Pikkon was beating Goku's ass after he got serious. Goku only "won" by getting a ring out.

[Onibaku]

It easily bests the other two arcs. This arc also had a lot of new characters, world-building and plot development so it's an easy win.

The disadvantage of the first two arcs is that they're re-tellings. I'm pretty sure that if the movies didn't exist or came later than Super, then we would enjoy them big time.

[TheMikado]

The issue I have is that this arc is a bit of a departure from the the Z formula. I think its the best technical episode, but storyline it tries to revive some of the structure unsuccessfully. The RoF is the best tractional Z like structure but also happens to be the worse arc all around.

I personally really enjoy the formula of

1) hard gained training to surpass limits
2)lower tier enemy fodder to establish protagonists dominance
3) powerful enemy with challenges dominant protagonist peak levels
4)enemy gains upper hand and cerastes desperate and tense situation
5) satisfying ending, typically not the outright strength prevailing.
But typically a combination of factors which lead to victory.

In the Champa arc the case could be made but it feels weird because we didn't really get to see how much stronger Blue is than SSJ and then we see Kaioken stacked on top of SSB but the x10 power up doesn't feel nearly as dramatic as it should. Was it awesome? Sure but when you pushed yourself x10 and the enemy is able to suddenly match that without seemingly much strain on their part the tension seems lessened.

Maybe it's just me but I really like Z style narratives and fights, particularly the structure where as Super feels much more modernized in its structure. Even the lack of a big bad outside of Hit lessens the tension I would have expected to feel.

[Lord Beerus]

I think we still have an episode left, but so far, it's been the the best arc of Super and one of the best arcs the Dragon Ball franchise has ever produced. I'm dead serious. There was a bit of a rough start but it got so much better as it progressed.

[ekrolo2]

A pretty marked improvement for the show in a number of ways even if I'm pretty indifferent to all of the fights minus Piccolo vs Frost and Vegeta vs Cabba. The comedy remains the sole consistent, and best part of the show.

[Lord Beerus]

A pretty marked improvement for the show in a number of ways even if I'm pretty indifferent to all of the fights minus Piccolo vs Frost and Vegeta vs Cabba. The comedy remains the sole consistent, and best part of the show.

How could you be indifferent to Vegeta getting the Super Saiyan Blue knocked out of him and the return of the Kaioken? Those were awesome moments.

[FortuneSSJ]

Damn it I was thinking about creating this thread. Too late.
I will wait for next episode before leaving my final thoughts, but overall I loved it.

This arc is obviously being much better received that the othe two because it was new content. Most people would feel the same about the two, if they weren't retellings.

[Doctor.]

Magetta and Hit (especially him) saved the arc. It got much better from episode 35 onwards after a very slow start.

[Hellspawn28]

I didn't like the twist of Frost being evil. We could have got a good guy of Freeza's race. I both like and dislike Frost because I do like that his motivations are different from Freeza. However he is still a evil tyrant like Freeza. I like him better than Coola, but not by much in my opinion.

[precita]

It was OK. Would have been better if Piccolo beat Frost since all Vegeta did was one-hit KO him so I don't see what the point was.

Overall I was more interested in the characters than the fighting itself, which wasn't that great besides a few moments. I also liked seeing Beerus and Champa react to their fighters. I liked most of the new fighters and Monaka was fun.

Overall though, wasn't bringing over the entire main cast to watch kinda pointless? Most of them didn't have many lines and they really had no reason to be there. Gohan being absent the whole thing was pretty irrelevant too.

[Faisal Shourov]

Decent arc, 7.5/10. Frost, Cabba and Botamo were all disappointment. I Buu and Piccolo were awfully used. Basically Goku and Vegeta show

Magetta and Hit were the spotlight which increased my rating by 2 points. Super is getting better so that's a good thing. Can't say it's a trash show anymore

[precita]

Buu not getting a fight kinda sucks. I mean I don't really care THAT much, but it would have been interesting seeing him fight again since he has such a unique fight style compared to all the other characters.

[JulieYBM]

The Champa arc is made up of funny, exciting scripts with nice voice acting marred by terrible animation and music. Like Dragon Ball Super in general, it's a shining example of terrible producing and Morishita Kouzou should be ashamed.

[ekrolo2]

A pretty marked improvement for the show in a number of ways even if I'm pretty indifferent to all of the fights minus Piccolo vs Frost and Vegeta vs Cabba. The comedy remains the sole consistent, and best part of the show.

How could you be indifferent to Vegeta getting the Super Saiyan Blue knocked out of him and the return of the Kaioken? Those were awesome moments.

Vegeta's beat down was totally called for but I don't think it was really satisfying in terms of how it happened. Personally, I thought some of the stuff Hit did to Goku looked quite a bit more painful like how he strikes him dozens of times in the chest and manages to knock the KK out of him for a few moments. I guess Vegeta and beatdowns just don't work for me in Super regardless if he's the one dishing it out or being on the receiving end of one

As for KK, I liked it coming back but I'm not crazy about how they needed to retcon the progress made with regular SSJ in the Cell arc (plus contradict themselves with their apparent bullshit excuse for why Goku & Vegeta refrained from using Blue due to stamina problems) to make it happen. Personally, I would've preferred Goku finding new ways to counter act Hit's Time Leap that wasn't just another power up. That's one of the coolest parts of Piccolo vs Frost: how Piccolo finds different ways of staying on his toes despite clearly being outclassed.

[pacz360]

But seriously magetta and hit himself saved this arc and i mean literally saved this arc! their fights were the highlights of it. Every other fighter than them were bland frost is blue freeza,botamo is a gag and cabba a plot device.