Death Battle: Goku vs Superman 2

[Tectorman]

Apocalymon's Total Annihilation was capable of destroying two universes. Eight Digivices countered that power. MaloMyotismon tanked the power of several hundred Digivices, some of them the upgraded D3s, and was only depowered, not killed (though Imperialdramon's Giga Crusher was able to finish the job).

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

Lets not forget Universe Destroyer zeedmillenniummon.

[voltlunok]

Lets not also forget the likes of Megidramon, whose mere presence sent the entire digital world (And parts of the real world.) into complete meltdown.

And of course...bring up Digimon and you have to mention the Royal Knights and groups like them, (The Olympus XII and 7 Great Demon Lords come to mind.)

MaloMyotismon tanked the power of several hundred Digivices, some of them the upgraded D3s, and was only depowered, not killed

And Masaru from Digimon Savers destroyed 3 Malomyotismon with a single punch in the big Xros Wars 2 crossover moment at the end. So...yeah, I guess he could beat up Goku!

[Noah]

While Dragon Ball is a strong franchise. There are still other franchises stronger than it and Dragon Ball will likely be the strongest franchise ever.

Franchises that are stronger than Dragon Ball (going with the ones that I know):

Er... Saint Seiya?

[voltlunok]

While Dragon Ball is a strong franchise. There are still other franchises stronger than it and Dragon Ball will likely be the strongest franchise ever.

Franchises that are stronger than Dragon Ball (going with the ones that I know):

Er... Saint Seiya?

He listed Saint Seiya.

[Noah]

He listed Saint Seiya.

Yes, I know... I asked because I want to know why Saint Seiya is stronger than Dragon Ball.

[Hellspawn28]

Saint Seiya has characters with very broken powers and have high level of universal feats. Apollo was able to reset and restarted the entire universe with his hand.

[Protege]

Saint Seiya has characters with very broken powers and have high level of universal feats. Apollo was able to reset and restarted the entire universe with his hand.

If your just going to use entire verses against Goku then you might aswell do allow Dragon Ball verse to fight aswell. I mean characters like Beerus and Champa are high universals while Vados and Whis are even beyond that. And then we also have characters coming up that are even beyond them like zarama and the omni-king whos basically like an all powerful being (omnipotent) and the ruler of all 12 universes.

That would basically narrow down your list to only a few verses who happen to have divine deities and omnipotent characters such as Kami Tenchi, Certain Deities from Marvel/DC like TOAA/The Presence, Eternity,Beyonder and certain anime characters like elder god demon bane, featherine and lord of nightmares that could probably stand against Dragon Ball verse at this point.

And those characters could easily destroy anyone in Saint Seiya, Toppa Gurren Lagann, Jo Jo Bizarre, Vampire hunter, Slayers and Bastard regardless if they have some kind of reality warpings tricks or hax, its useless and I can say it again its USELESS!! Dragon Ball characters are immune to hax and were immune since early series from Goku surviving devil mite beam, to vegeta breaking thru majin hypnosis, to Vegetto being turned into a candy while for some reason still having consciousness to even Goku powering up and busting thru frozen time.

[voltlunok]

Saint Seiya has characters with very broken powers and have high level of universal feats. Apollo was able to reset and restarted the entire universe with his hand.

If your just going to use entire verses against Goku then you might aswell do allow Dragon Ball verse to fight aswell. I mean characters like Beerus and Champa are high universals while Vados and Whis are even beyond that. And then we also have characters coming up that are even beyond them like zarama and the omni-king whos basically like an all powerful being (omnipotent) and the ruler of all 12 universes.

That would basically narrow down your list to only a few verses who happen to have divine deities and omnipotent characters such as Kami Tenchi, Certain Deities from Marvel/DC like TOAA/The Presence, Eternity,Beyonder and certain anime characters like elder god demon bane, featherine and lord of nightmares that could probably stand against Dragon Ball verse at this point.

And those characters could easily destroy anyone in Saint Seiya, Toppa Gurren Lagann, Jo Jo Bizarre, Vampire hunter, Slayers and Bastard regardless if they have some kind of reality warpings tricks or hax, its useless and I can say it again its USELESS!! Dragon Ball characters are immune to hax and were immune since early series from Goku surviving devil mite beam, to vegeta breaking thru majin hypnosis, to Vegetto being turned into a candy while for some reason still having consciousness to even Goku powering up and busting thru frozen time.

No offense but your argument seems heavily based on assumptions and a bit of fanboy zealotism. You say the likes of Beerus and Champa can even things out or completely tip things to Dragon Ball's favor, yet Beerus and Champa have yet to show anything on the level of Saint Seiya's gods, especially the likes of Apollo, who again, recreated the entire universe with little effort. On top of this, comments like "Dragon Ball characters are immune to hax!" completely and utterly guts your argument of credibility and adds more to that whole fanboy zealotism thing I was talking about. Using examples like Zarama (Who's clearly not a fighter and we have no idea how powerful he truly is yet.) is just trying to grasp at straws. Heck I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop when it comes to the Omni-King, with how super has been...I'm not taking anybody at face value and I am taking every "They're X powerful!' statement with a salt shaker's worth of salt grains to be safe thanks to Monaka.

You want an example of power from the list given? Arc Gurren Lagann (The first BIG power up GL got.) at full power punched a combined anti-spiral so hard he knocked it out of the space-time continuum...he punched something out of reality! Go bigger then that to stuff like TTGL and Super TTGL (The walking universe!) and you run into the biggest problem when fighting them, how do you perceive them? They're light years tall. Even if Dragon Ball could somehow perceive TTGL, how do they do damage? He can control probability, so just drop the probability of Dragon Ball doing damage to 0% and there...fight is over.

Other examples, Digimon: Look back through the last few posts, you'll see the evidence.

Getter Robo: The Emperor is pushed and said to basically be Evolution taken physical form. It is constantly evolving and adapting, the thing is basically like the Borg from star trek but to give a power example. The energy of a getter beam fired by one of the Emperor's components (The getter arks.) was clocked in to equal that of the big bang, now take that and multiple it by 3, the emperor's power is x3 that of the big bang...Oh did I also forget to mention he wanders the universe consuming planets like Galactius?! and he's about as big as Jupiter?

Doctor Who: Its the Doctor...

JoJo's: Full time stops are a hell of a thing compared to time skipping.

Saint Seiya: Lets see...they can casually tear open rifts in space-time (For longer then a couple seconds.), punch the souls out of people, summon forth power equaling a supernova all the way up to the big bang, some even have time stop and rewind powers, some tell the laws of physics and such to stick it by creating ice colder then absolute zero, some have broken weapons forged by gods that are said to be unbreakable. And that's not even talking about the gods like Athena, Hades or Apollo. Or the God Clothes the Bronze and Gold saints get. Or the God Warriors from the Asgard arc....

I'm sorry but Dragon Ball really has never been the top dog in terms of power, there always has and always will be someone above them. Anyways, I think it is best to end this, we've gone WAAAAAAAAAY off topic and even I'm a little guilty of that. So sorry folks.

[Protege]

Saint Seiya has characters with very broken powers and have high level of universal feats. Apollo was able to reset and restarted the entire universe with his hand.

If your just going to use entire verses against Goku then you might aswell do allow Dragon Ball verse to fight aswell. I mean characters like Beerus and Champa are high universals while Vados and Whis are even beyond that. And then we also have characters coming up that are even beyond them like zarama and the omni-king whos basically like an all powerful being (omnipotent) and the ruler of all 12 universes.

That would basically narrow down your list to only a few verses who happen to have divine deities and omnipotent characters such as Kami Tenchi, Certain Deities from Marvel/DC like TOAA/The Presence, Eternity,Beyonder and certain anime characters like elder god demon bane, featherine and lord of nightmares that could probably stand against Dragon Ball verse at this point.

And those characters could easily destroy anyone in Saint Seiya, Toppa Gurren Lagann, Jo Jo Bizarre, Vampire hunter, Slayers and Bastard regardless if they have some kind of reality warpings tricks or hax, its useless and I can say it again its USELESS!! Dragon Ball characters are immune to hax and were immune since early series from Goku surviving devil mite beam, to vegeta breaking thru majin hypnosis, to Vegetto being turned into a candy while for some reason still having consciousness to even Goku powering up and busting thru frozen time.

No offense but your argument seems heavily based on assumptions and a bit of fanboy zealotism. You say the likes of Beerus and Champa can even things out or completely tip things to Dragon Ball's favor, yet Beerus and Champa have yet to show anything on the level of Saint Seiya's gods, especially the likes of Apollo, who again, recreated the entire universe with little effort. On top of this, comments like "Dragon Ball characters are immune to hax!" completely and utterly guts your argument of credibility and adds more to that whole fanboy zealotism thing I was talking about. Using examples like Zarama (Who's clearly not a fighter and we have no idea how powerful he truly is yet.) is just trying to grasp at straws. Heck I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop when it comes to the Omni-King, with how super has been...I'm not taking anybody at face value and I am taking every "They're X powerful!' statement with a salt shaker's worth of salt grains to be safe thanks to Monaka.

You want an example of power from the list given? Arc Gurren Lagann (The first BIG power up GL got.) at full power punched a combined anti-spiral so hard he knocked it out of the space-time continuum...he punched something out of reality! Go bigger then that to stuff like TTGL and Super TTGL (The walking universe!) and you run into the biggest problem when fighting them, how do you perceive them? They're light years tall. Even if Dragon Ball could somehow perceive TTGL, how do they do damage? He can control probability, so just drop the probability of Dragon Ball doing damage to 0% and there...fight is over.

Other examples, Digimon: Look back through the last few posts, you'll see the evidence.

Getter Robo: The Emperor is pushed and said to basically be Evolution taken physical form. It is constantly evolving and adapting, the thing is basically like the Borg from star trek but to give a power example. The energy of a getter beam fired by one of the Emperor's components (The getter arks.) was clocked in to equal that of the big bang, now take that and multiple it by 3, the emperor's power is x3 that of the big bang...Oh did I also forget to mention he wanders the universe consuming planets like Galactius?! and he's about as big as Jupiter?

Doctor Who: Its the Doctor...

JoJo's: Full time stops are a hell of a thing compared to time skipping.

Saint Seiya: Lets see...they can casually tear open rifts in space-time (For longer then a couple seconds.), punch the souls out of people, summon forth power equaling a supernova all the way up to the big bang, some even have time stop and rewind powers, some tell the laws of physics and such to stick it by creating ice colder then absolute zero, some have broken weapons forged by gods that are said to be unbreakable. And that's not even talking about the gods like Athena, Hades or Apollo. Or the God Clothes the Bronze and Gold saints get. Or the God Warriors from the Asgard arc....

I'm sorry but Dragon Ball really has never been the top dog in terms of power, there always has and always will be someone above them. Anyways, I think it is best to end this, we've gone WAAAAAAAAAY off topic and even I'm a little guilty of that. So sorry folks.

First able Hit did stopped time! time leap is what occurred after when he wanted to attack Goku, which normally you wouldn't be able to move in stopped time, so he had to bypass the fabric of space itself in order to move, while goku was able to do it with just raw strength. Now i dont know exactly who would win between someone like Beerus since he can breathe in space against STTGL. Because remember Beerus during Goku almost destroyed a universe with 3 punches, and STTGL is like a walking universe you say, that means that Beerus would definetly be able to hurt him but depending if STTGL could he hurt him aswell? Beerus could absorb, nullify, dematerilize objects and he could very easily create a universal like energy blast and throw it at STTGL and what would he do?

Also remember that in DBZ we know that opening rifts in space-time was possible since buu saga, and super novas and big bangs are nothing special either, Beerus, Whis, Champa and Vados would be more than powerful enough to survive them without a scratch and even for Goku and Vegeta wouldnt be a big threat as long as their not completely exposed in the vacuum of space. Even then the worlds are two different things. In dragon ball they have mortal and spiritual world of earth, universe and heaven, hell, snakeway and kaioshins planets.In Saint Seiya its a bit different with Underworld and Elysium and their own greek gods which were more straight forwarded resembling humans compared to Dragon ball more sci-fish Gods. So even then some of the concepts and techniques wouldn't even work like punching away someone soul and where would it go? like it doesnt make sense their two different worlds! So haxes wouldn't work.

Maybe Shaka might do something but even then debatable obviously of how his abilites would even work in DBZ verse since there are limits imposed to everything but lets assume that in the next episode I was right and that omni-king is omnipotent. Would you say that dragon ball verse is still weak just because the main character is not the stronger one in his verse?

[Kamiccolo9]

Oh dear God make it stop.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

Oh dear God make it stop.

Then someone needs to lock this right now.

[Kuririn Fan]

Why does that even matter?
I seriously can't comprehend any of this.

[voltlunok]

Oh dear God make it stop.

Then someone needs to lock this right now.

Yeah at this point I agree. I apologize, I had a lapse of judgement and again I'm sorry for taking things so off the rails. I agree its about time this thread got locked...we aren't even talking the main video anymore...

[Noah]

Oh dear God make it stop.

Why does that even matter?
I seriously can't comprehend any of this.

As Kaboom said earlier in another thread:

If a topic isn't to your tastes, then just ignore it. Nobody forcing you to participate in the topic or even read it in the first place.

[rereboy]

The problem with Saint Seiya is that their feats are basically statements. A fighter punches with a power of a supernova but the only clue we have of that power is the fact the someone said it had that power. This is not to say that it doesn't have that power, but it's really hard to think and consider them that powerful with hardly anything more than statements for feats.

[Kuririn Fan]

Oh dear God make it stop.

Why does that even matter?
I seriously can't comprehend any of this.

As Kaboom said earlier in another thread:

If a topic isn't to your tastes, then just ignore it. Nobody forcing you to participate in the topic or even read it in the first place.

It's not to my tastes, it's just fascinating how far can people come in comparing strength of fictional characters like it's something important.

[apex_pretador]

this thread will never die.

Kalkarot is upset

[Lozjudai]

Oh dear God make it stop.

Why does that even matter?
I seriously can't comprehend any of this.

As Kaboom said earlier in another thread:

If a topic isn't to your tastes, then just ignore it. Nobody forcing you to participate in the topic or even read it in the first place.

It's not to my tastes, it's just fascinating how far can people come in comparing strength of fictional characters like it's something important.

Some people find it just fun. While I´m reading this for example I´m not taking this any seriously.

Anyway can we talk about how late game Demi-Fiend from Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne (And other SMT characters) would wreck Goku and other Dragon Ball characters pretty easily

[Kamiccolo9]

I'm fine with the actual topic. This ridiculous off topic mess, however, has totally derailed the thread, and neither I nor anyone else should have to avoid a potentially interesting thread just because a few people can't stay on topic.