Please just no! (complaints about Arale)

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Re: Please just no! (complaints about Arale)

Post by Faisal Shourov » Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:21 am

Why do people want to see Future Trunks? It would ruin his character, just like Frieza. Trunks had an awesome send off in DBZ, he should be kept away from Super Arale is a gag character, Trunks is not
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Re: Please just no! (complaints about Arale)

Post by Kuririn Fan » Mon Apr 25, 2016 1:02 pm

Faisal Shourov wrote:Why do people want to see Future Trunks? It would ruin his character, just like Freeza. Trunks had an awesome send off in DBZ, he should be kept away from Super Arale is a gag character, Trunks is not
Because he's popular and future related, thus matching the interview info. Also, it would be interesting to see what the hell happened during all those years in his timeline.

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Re: Please just no! (complaints about Arale)

Post by MrBlackFox » Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:30 pm

Speaking about that " future related character " thing, imo Toriyama was talking about Future / Time Patrol Trunks, or Gohan at least...
What If Time Patrol Goten, alone or with Time Patrol Trunks, ends up appearing ?

Present Trunks and Goten may have a solid reason to give up that Gotenks sh*t and starting training for real, and separately
Damn, even Vegeta said ( when they demanded to participate in Universes Tournament ) that those two, fighting alone, are pretty useless

I'm still waiting for the moment when they'll start to shine on their own, no more Gotenks, we want more Goten AND Trunks
Teen or adult, perhaps, would be great, they have a lot of potential, right now are nothing more than a waste

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Re: Please just no! (complaints about Arale)

Post by Marco Polo » Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:31 pm

Adult Arale would be awesome but then I remembered she's a robot.

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Re: Please just no! (complaints about Arale)

Post by Sodhi » Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:36 pm

She could grow up because its a gag manga this is what the narrator said
Narrator: "How Did Arale-chan grow up despite being a android? It's a gag, shut up and go with it!"
Like I am literally serious.
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Re: Please just no! (complaints about Arale)

Post by MrBlackFox » Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:56 pm

In an episode of the " Dr. Slump " sequel ( not made by it's author, tho ), Arale's Brother Turbo builds a special watch, and using it Arale can turns adult instantly

Google it, I think adult - Arale it's great, love her art style
An inclusion in Super's cast would be great, even if a little nosense ( but remember we have that Jaco, so... )

Arale is also very, very powerful, they have to do some retcon work

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Re: Please just no! (complaints about Arale)

Post by Neon Z » Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:53 pm

The only way Arale could be the character mentioned there is if she's actually joining the main cast, which seems rather dubious. Remember, that interview was mostly about the manga. They wouldn't be talking about a character from some one random one shot anime episode.

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Post by sayian_nation_ » Mon Apr 25, 2016 7:08 pm

It should be future trunks. Then he comes back to get his hands on the dragonballs so he can wish everyone and Earth back on his time line. Then Vegeta and Goku go to that time line to fight/train themselves.

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Post by Gorou » Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:17 pm

The problem with possible inclusion of Arale in the cast is that she (as Saitama) is a gags-character , absolutely comical, but at the same time capable of feats that could easily put in the the top 5 of the current fighters. Considering that Arale on Earth there has always been, this would generate a HUGE plot hole (think of how many times the Earth was threatened and destroyed), that would make it completely senseless much of manga, and it would destroy the last coherence and logical line remained in this troubled history.

Future Trunks and the time patrol would be much more functional to set a new saga.

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Post by Kuririn Fan » Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:59 am

MrBlackFox wrote:Speaking about that " future related character " thing, imo Toriyama was talking about Future / Time Patrol Trunks, or Gohan at least...
What If Time Patrol Goten, alone or with Time Patrol Trunks, ends up appearing ?

Present Trunks and Goten may have a solid reason to give up that Gotenks sh*t and starting training for real, and separately
Damn, even Vegeta said ( when they demanded to participate in Universes Tournament ) that those two, fighting alone, are pretty useless

I'm still waiting for the moment when they'll start to shine on their own, no more Gotenks, we want more Goten AND Trunks
Teen or adult, perhaps, would be great, they have a lot of potential, right now are nothing more than a waste
Time Patrol Goten doesnt make any sense and is video game-only character. Heroes doesnt make sense and is official fan fiction card game.

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Re: Please just no! (complaints about Arale)

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:02 am

Gorou wrote:The problem with possible inclusion of Arale in the cast is that she (as Saitama) is a gags-character , absolutely comical, but at the same time capable of feats that could easily put in the the top 5 of the current fighters. Considering that Arale on Earth there has always been, this would generate a HUGE plot hole (think of how many times the Earth was threatened and destroyed), that would make it completely senseless much of manga, and it would destroy the last coherence and logical line remained in this troubled history.

Future Trunks and the time patrol would be much more functional to set a new saga.
>Is a Gag Character
>Would create Plot Holes

Wut.

If Krillin and Roshi can instantly recover from bullet holes without it being a plothole, Arale can do Arale stuff without messing up the oh so important "coherence" that Dragon Ball has.
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Post by Gorou » Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:25 am

Kamiccolo9 wrote: If Krillin and Roshi can instantly recover from bullet holes without it being a plothole, Arale can do Arale stuff without messing up the oh so important "coherence" that Dragon Ball has.
Another example completely irrelevant. That's not a huge polt hole, because, in the first place, Goku, in her first appearance, is already immune to the bullets.

And yes, Arale would be unmanageable because of his unlimited strength.

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Re: Please just no! (complaints about Arale)

Post by Vados_chan » Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:53 am

Why do people even like Future Trunks? He's boring and has no personality whatsoever. He's pretty much the prototype for generic bishes like the uchihas and Hitsugaya.

At least Arale is funny.

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Re: Please just no! (complaints about Arale)

Post by Gorou » Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:25 am

He has tons of personality and individual characteristics, which give integrity and that set it apart from the typical sajyan; is the only truly altruistic character that, contrary to Goku and Vegeta, is not acting as a cocky and arrogant.

Aside from the "cool" look, has nothing to do with the uchihas, who are predestined with innate abilities.
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Re: Please just no! (complaints about Arale)

Post by TekTheNinja » Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:49 am

Vados_chan wrote:Why do people even like Future Trunks? He's boring and has no personality whatsoever. He's pretty much the prototype for generic bishes like the uchihas and Hitsugaya.
NEVER compare Trunks to Sasuke. NEVER.

Seriously, though I don't see how you even get that impression from Trunks. He's an extremely developed character. (unlike Goku)

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Re: Please just no! (complaints about Arale)

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:58 am

Gorou wrote:He has tons of personality and individual characteristics, which give integrity and that set it apart from the typical sajyan; is the only truly altruistic character that, contrary to Goku and Vegeta, is not acting as a cocky and arrogant.
In all fairness though, I'd say that has a lot to do with the world he came from. If the Trunks special is any indication at all (which really it kinda would be), even he still kind of had to grow into that sort of character, due to all of the loss around him. Without that, he'd very likely have been fairly like the younger Trunks we got in the Boo arc.

Anyway, I'm not the biggest fan of Trunks myself, but I'd never compare him to the likes of Sasuke Uchiha, the character who literally thumbed his nose up at every opportunity to change my mind about him. I think the only reason I'd be more intrigued to see his return than Arale's, is because 1) it would be far more likely to be tied into events to come, and 2) the high likelihood of it at least including some of the more interesting plot tidbits of Online/Xenoverse's back story.
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Re: Please just no! (complaints about Arale)

Post by Gorou » Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:34 am

Gyt Kaliba wrote: In all fairness though, I'd say that has a lot to do with the world he came from. If the Trunks special is any indication at all (which really it kinda would be), even he still kind of had to grow into that sort of character, due to all of the loss around him. Without that, he'd very likely have been fairly like the younger Trunks we got in the Boo arc.
This sums up the perfect construction of the character, who acts in a certain way for a specific reason.

Also, shows that Toriyama and I share the same thoughts on the effect of tragic experiences: they ennoble man, and not make him a crazy schizophrenic like Sasuke, and 90% of Naruto's villains, which are "evil" because have had a traumatic childhood.
From my personal experience, I can confirm that one man become really unselfish only in front of difficulties, after trying and lived the real horror; anyone who has suffered often tends to identify with the suffering of others peoples; while often, excessive wealth, makes him arrogant, and sometimes even sadistic. The worst criminals in history, weren't orphans of war, but people who have been at the top of the social pyramid. And for this reason, Freeza is very credible as villain.
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Re: Please just no! (complaints about Arale)

Post by TekTheNinja » Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:21 pm

Gorou wrote:
Gyt Kaliba wrote: In all fairness though, I'd say that has a lot to do with the world he came from. If the Trunks special is any indication at all (which really it kinda would be), even he still kind of had to grow into that sort of character, due to all of the loss around him. Without that, he'd very likely have been fairly like the younger Trunks we got in the Boo arc.
This sums up the perfect construction of the character, who acts in a certain way for a specific reason.

Also, shows that Toriyama and I share the same thoughts on the effect of tragic experiences: they ennoble man, and not make it a crazy schizophrenic like Sasuke, and 90% of Naruto's villains, which are "evil" because have had a traumatic childhood.
From personal experience, I can confirm that mans becomes realy unselfish only by difficulties, by horror; anyone who has suffered often tends to identify with the suffering of the others peoples; while often, excessive wealth, makes him arrogant, and sometimes even sadistic. The worst criminals in history, weren't orphans of war, but people who have been at the top of the social pyramid. And for this reason, Freeza is very credible as villain.
Bravo. Great character study right there. I agree completely. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Gyt Kaliba wrote:Sasuke Uchiha, the character who literally thumbed his nose up at every opportunity to change my mind about him.
Yep... Sasuke is a pretty awful character.

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Re: Please just no! (complaints about Arale)

Post by Speedster » Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:12 pm

For the record in the anime remake, Arale turns "Super Saiyan"! Don't believe me?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PrlM0157Xg
Wondering whether Toei will pull such crap in when she makes an appearance in Super.

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Re: Please just no! (complaints about Arale)

Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:22 pm

Kuririn Fan wrote:
Faisal Shourov wrote:Why do people want to see Future Trunks? It would ruin his character, just like Freeza. Trunks had an awesome send off in DBZ, he should be kept away from Super Arale is a gag character, Trunks is not
Because he's popular and future related, thus matching the interview info. Also, it would be interesting to see what the hell happened during all those years in his timeline.
Just because he used the word "future" doesn't mean it has anything to do with implying Trunks. He could very well mean literally the character development of a character he has in mind to use. This sounds like another case of people letting their headcannon cliff-hangers run wild again. His timeline has no relevance whatsoever.
Vados_chan wrote:Why do people even like Future Trunks? He's boring and has no personality whatsoever. He's pretty much the prototype for generic bishes like the uchihas and Hitsugaya.At least Arale is funny.
Whats generic about him? Hes the only character that actually had a goal to achieve, actual self-awareness and actual comprehension of learning from consequences. Far more interesting a character than Goku.
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