The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Analytic » Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:18 pm

Bullza wrote:King Cold vs Kibito
I think that King Cold wins with ease. I also don't buy into that guidebook tidbit that suggests Kibito is nearly as stronger Gohan.

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Post by Steven Bloodriver » Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:25 pm

1) Super Saiyan Blue Goku (Resurrection F) vs Super 17 (Perfect Cell Absorbed)

2) Super Saiyan 4 Goku (Limits Surpassed) vs Frost (First Form, Assault Form, and Ruthless Final Form)

3) Demon God Démigra (After he escaped the Crack of Time and ingested Tokitoki) vs Hit

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by apex_pretador » Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:35 pm

Steven Bloodriver wrote:1) Super Saiyan Blue Goku (Resurrection F) vs Super 17 (Perfect Cell Absorbed)

2) Super Saiyan 4 Goku (Limits Surpassed) vs Frost (First Form, Assault Form, and Ruthless Final Form)

3) Demon God Démigra (After he escaped the Crack of Time and ingested Tokitoki) vs Hit
Perfect cell absorbed? I don't think absorbing power of a being lower than base goku will help super 17 much.
Goku wins because he catches on absorption soon.

First form is a cakewalk. Assault form is not much, final form is also not too much for limits surpassed goku.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Pantalones » Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:26 pm

I think that King Cold wins with ease. I also don't buy into that guidebook tidbit that suggests Kibito is nearly as stronger Gohan.
Wasn't that only saying that Kibito would give trouble to base Gohan, not Super Saiyan?

That still leaves room for Cold to still be stronger than Kibito without disregarding the guidebook statement, considering that base Gohan is weaker than Buu Saga Goku/Vegeta and even a slightly stronger Goku from a couple years later was still below Freeza's full power according to Beerus. At least, if you figure that the form we see Cold in is actually his true/final form rather than his equivalent of Freeza's second form, anyway...

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Smilodon » Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:31 pm

Botamo vs Hitto (until one is dead, indestrutible planet)?
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Post by apex_pretador » Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:33 pm

Smilodon wrote:Botamo vs Hitto (until one is dead, indestrutible planet)?
hit grabs botamo and takes him to space.
Hit wins.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Analytic » Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:14 pm

Pantalones wrote:Wasn't that only saying that Kibito would give trouble to base Gohan, not Super Saiyan?
Yes. I was saying that I don't buy into Kibito being able to give Base Gohan any trouble.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:29 pm

1) Imperfect Cell (Before absorbing any Humans) vs Raditz (Base)

2) Perfect Cell (Tired after fighting Goku) vs Nappa (Base)

3) Ultimate Gohan (Just after being healed by Dende) vs Android Saga Vegeta (Super Saiyan)

4) Pure Evil Buu (After if he had killed Good Buu by accident) vs Turles (After eating three Fruits of the Tree of Might)

5) Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Battle of Gods) vs Pure Evil Buu

6) Super Perfect Cell vs Frost (Ruthless Final Form)

7) Super Buu (Base) vs Hakaishin Champa
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:55 pm

1) Super Saiyan God Goku vs Super Janemba

2) Super Saiyan Bardock vs Namek Saga Frieza (First Form, Second Form, Third Form, and Final Form)

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Pocket-God » Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:32 pm

Steven Bloodriver wrote:1) Super Saiyan God Goku vs Super Janemba

2) Super Saiyan Bardock vs Namek Saga Frieza (First Form, Second Form, Third Form, and Final Form)
Uhhh.............God Goku wrecks?

Super Saiyan Bardock's PL could be anywhere from 500k to 1mil so....I'll say he beats 1st Form Frieza but loses to the rest.
Steven Bloodriver wrote:1) Imperfect Cell (Before absorbing any Humans) vs Raditz (Base)

2) Perfect Cell (Tired after fighting Goku) vs Nappa (Base)

3) Ultimate Gohan (Just after being healed by Dende) vs Android Saga Vegeta (Super Saiyan)

4) Pure Evil Buu (After if he had killed Good Buu by accident) vs Turles (After eating three Fruits of the Tree of Might)

5) Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Battle of Gods) vs Pure Evil Buu

6) Super Perfect Cell vs Frost (Ruthless Final Form)

7) Super Buu (Base) vs Hakaishin Champa
Cell stomps.

Cell stomps again.

Vegeta kills himself.

Buu wrecks.

Buu wrecks again.

Cell wins, they're probably near equals but I don't think poison will work on Cell and Cell has better skills and such.

Super Buu wins by throwing a table at Champa >__>
Steven Bloodriver wrote:1) Super Saiyan Blue Goku (Resurrection F) vs Super 17 (Perfect Cell Absorbed)

2) Super Saiyan 4 Goku (Limits Surpassed) vs Frost (First Form, Assault Form, and Ruthless Final Form)

3) Demon God Démigra (After he escaped the Crack of Time and ingested Tokitoki) vs Hit
Super 17 one-shots

SSJ4 Goku one-shots

Hmmmm......I'm gonna go with Demigra, but if the fight drags on too long then Hit will probably end up winning.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DanielSSJ » Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:19 pm

Steven Bloodriver wrote:1) Imperfect Cell (Before absorbing any Humans) vs Raditz (Base)

2) Perfect Cell (Tired after fighting Goku) vs Nappa (Base)

3) Ultimate Gohan (Just after being healed by Dende) vs Android Saga Vegeta (Super Saiyan)

4) Pure Evil Buu (After if he had killed Good Buu by accident) vs Turles (After eating three Fruits of the Tree of Might)

5) Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Battle of Gods) vs Pure Evil Buu

6) Super Perfect Cell vs Frost (Ruthless Final Form)

7) Super Buu (Base) vs Hakaishin Champa
- While we can't be certain about Cell's power before he starts snacking on the living, he is almost assuredly leagues stronger than anyone from the Saiyan and Freeza arcs, with the possible exception of Super Saiyan Goku and 100% Freeza. Raditz stands absolutely no chance.
- It wasn't even certain that the heroes could beat a tired Cell if they all ganged up on him. There's no way that Nappa, untransformed or otherwise, could do any damage to Cell.
- Injured as he was, Gohan's power advantage is way too large for Vegeta to do any damage to him.
- Tullece after eating three fruits might be a match for Freeza's second or third form. There is no way he is touching anyone from the Boo arc, let alone Boo himself.
- Goku was probably stronger than this version of Boo back in the Boo arc. Battle of Gods Goku is probably not much stronger than how he was 5 years ago, but he'd be strong enough to handle Pure Evil Boo at least.
- While I'm not too sure about the power scale in Super, but my gut says that Frost is stronger than Super Perfect Cell at the least.
- There's no way these two are even remotely close in power. Boo might get some mileage out of his candy beam or absorbtions, but I bet that Champa would be able to fight as candy just like Vegetto did, and figure something out to deal with the absorption power.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Pocket-God » Wed Apr 27, 2016 9:13 pm

Oh I got a few battles-

Garlic Jr, and his henchmen (Dead zone Movie) vs Raditz

Pikkon vs SSJ2 Gohan (Cell Games)

Turles(Post-fruit) vs the Ginyu Force (No Guldo)

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Post by Steven Bloodriver » Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:43 pm

1) Raditz would win if he does not get cocky.

2) Pikkon would lose horribly to a Super Saiyan 2.

3) Turles would win effortlessly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:50 pm

1) Semiperfect Cell vs Majin Yakon

2) Super Saiyan 3 Gohan (Majin Buu Saga) vs Mira (Base Form)

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Post by DanielSSJ » Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:56 pm

Pocket-God wrote:Oh I got a few battles-

Garlic Jr, and his henchmen (Dead zone Movie) vs Raditz

Pikkon vs SSJ2 Gohan (Cell Games)

Turles(Post-fruit) vs the Ginyu Force (No Guldo)
- Garlic was stronger than Piccolo and Goku, but not so much so that he could handle them both at once, like Raditz could. Garlic's goons are basically fodder, so they're not helping his chances.
- The are about even (maybe) but Paikuhan is much more skilled, so he wins without too much trouble.
- After eating one fruit, Tullece was able to thrash a Kaioken x10 Goku, who would've had a power level of 300,000. Ginyu and his cronies aren't standing up to that unless Ginyu can swap bodies.
Steven Bloodriver wrote:1) Semiperfect Cell vs Majin Yakon

2) Super Saiyan 3 Gohan (Majin Buu Saga) vs Mira (Base Form)
- Yakon was roughly as strong as base Goku. Stage 2 Cell crushes him.
- Uhhhhh...

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Post by Steven Bloodriver » Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:09 pm

I meant a hypothetical Majin Buu Arc SSJ3 Adult Gohan vs Mira.

1) Super Saiyan 4 Goku (Surpassed Limits) vs Hit

2) Mira (Base Form) vs Super Buu (Base)

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:16 pm

Pocket-God wrote:Oh I got a few battles-

Garlic Jr, and his henchmen (Dead zone Movie) vs Raditz

Pikkon vs SSJ2 Gohan (Cell Games)

Turles(Post-fruit) vs the Ginyu Force (No Guldo)
Garlic Jr was moderately stronger than Goku or Piccolo individually, but not so much stronger that the two of them together couldn't overwhelm him. Similarly, his henchmen were in the general range of Goku and Piccolo, and strong enough to overwhelm either as a three-man team, but are inferior enought that Piccolo kills Sansho one on one with a fair amount of ease. None of the four can even begin to compare to Raditz, who was nearly four times stronger than Goku or Piccolo. He wipes them out easily.

Pikkon's "regular" level seemed to be around low SS2 tier already (he shrugged off a Warp Kamehameha + Super Kaio-Ken punch from SS Goku with little damage, and was considered useful back-up against M10 LSS Broly), and with that technique that covered him in flames (probably amplifying the power of his hits similar to many ki attacks... or a poor man's Kaio-Ken), he was able to take out Super Perfect Cell in three hits. Super Perfect Cell was on the same general level as Gohan, so while it might take more effort, he should be able to KO Gohan the same way he KO'd Cell.

Turles's power level was probably well in excess of 400,000, given that he effortlessly beat down KK x10 Goku after he said that base Goku "was skyrocketing over 30,000". The Ginyus are wiped out before they can really react.
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He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:20 pm

Steven Bloodriver wrote:I meant a hypothetical Majin Buu Arc SSJ3 Adult Gohan vs Mira.

1) Super Saiyan 4 Goku (Surpassed Limits) vs Hit

2) Mira (Base Form) vs Super Buu (Base)
1. Mira was strong enough to take down SS3 Goku + Fat Buu by himself without much trouble, iirc. Gohan should be even weaker than Goku. Mira will maul him.

2. GT vs Super/BOG/FNF comparisons? No thank you.

3. The PC I'm Xenoverse was stated to be equal to Super Buu, sometime after defeating Mira. Even ignoring the implication that he got stronger since then, this would still make Buu strong enough to win this. Especially when you factor in his regeneration, infinite stamina, technique copying, Candy Beam, mega powerful suicide explosion, stretchy body, and other tricks (not that I think he'll need them).
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by apex_pretador » Thu Apr 28, 2016 5:07 am

Steven Bloodriver wrote:1) Imperfect Cell (Before absorbing any Humans) vs Raditz (Base)

2) Perfect Cell (Tired after fighting Goku) vs Nappa (Base)

3) Ultimate Gohan (Just after being healed by Dende) vs Android Saga Vegeta (Super Saiyan)

4) Pure Evil Buu (After if he had killed Good Buu by accident) vs Turles (After eating three Fruits of the Tree of Might)

5) Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Battle of Gods) vs Pure Evil Buu

6) Super Perfect Cell vs Frost (Ruthless Final Form)

7) Super Buu (Base) vs Hakaishin Champa
1) Is that supposed to be a joke?
Raditz was unable to be handled by goku & Piccolo teaming up, but I think they could've handled imperfect cell by teaming up. So raditz wins.

2)Tired perfect cell was superior to vegeta who is superior to nappa. So Cell wins.

3) Vegeta was barely above goku, gohan was significantly above super buu, who was himself above goku. So Gohan wins.

4) Pure evil buu is above SS2 goku. I'm sure that a SS2 goku in turles movie would've wiped the floor with turles even if he eats 4 fruits. So turles needs 5 fruits to even have a chance.

5) SS3 goku (BoG) was above any form of buu except buutenks and buuhan.

6) Frost is nothing to SS, and fights piccolo barely. SPC wins.

7) Champa is atleast 10 times stronger than goku. Buu is slightly stronger than goku. Champa wins


Also, I hope these battles aren't serious. (nappa vs a being far above SS who are far above freeza by now?)
Pocket-God wrote:Oh I got a few battles-

Garlic Jr, and his henchmen (Dead zone Movie) vs Raditz

Pikkon vs SSJ2 Gohan (Cell Games)

Turles(Post-fruit) vs the Ginyu Force (No Guldo)
These look serious battles

- Raditz is strong enough to take down all the henchmen in exactly one hit. He is too fast for garlic jr, and stronger. Garlic was able to fight on par with goku-piccolo, while raditz demolished them. Not to mention that raditz is much faster than goku & piccolo, so much that they can't even see him. He is strong enough to kill them with one energy attack. So, 3-4 energy attacks and garlic jr will be done for.

Gohan accidentally kills pikkon while holdiong back and not trying to do so

Cap. body changes and possesses the power level of 400,000 now, comparable to the strongest in the universe (OK he is 100x stronger, but still)
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apex_pretador wrote:- GT Piccolo vs U6 arc Piccolo

- Namekian merging of above 2 piccolos vs SS Gogeta (M 12), no time limit
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