Why do so many people prefer DBZ to DB?

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Re: Why do so many people prefer DBZ to DB?

Post by sintzu » Fri Apr 29, 2016 2:31 am

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Oh God, as a kid I started with DBZ. I don't think anyone cared where Piccolo or the cast came from during my chilhood. It was the fighting, the character designs, music, and screaming that capitivated us.

DBZ showed us a mature different path, a gateway that till this day is helping other anime get dubbed.
Same here and that's how a lot of fans grew up on it.

Z is the best place to introduce new people to the franchise and I'm not the only one who thinks this considering that's how Toie decided to introduce new kids and anime fans to the franchise.

Z's serious tone is why a good amount of old fans are so angry about Super's non serious/lighthearted direction.
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Re: Why do so many people prefer DBZ to DB?

Post by SuicidalZerg » Fri Apr 29, 2016 2:47 am

sintzu wrote:that's how Toie decided to introduce the new generation of kids to the franchise.
Erm, am I mistaken in believing that it was Funimation who was making those decisions? As I recall, Harmony Gold tried to introduce original Dragon Ball to American audiences in the 1980's with quite limited success. Then Funimation tried again, but cancelled the project, and decided to start with DBZ.
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Re: Why do so many people prefer DBZ to DB?

Post by sintzu » Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:05 am

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Erm, am I mistaken in believing that it was Funimation who was making those decisions?

As I recall, Harmony Gold tried to introduce original Dragon Ball to American audiences in the 1980's with quite limited success. Then Funimation tried again, but cancelled the project, and decided to start with DBZ.
I was talking about Japan, Toie made Kai to introduce new fans to the franchisee and they also skipped DB.

I knew they went straight to Z due to DB not blowing up like they thought it would but I didn't know they had plans to do it.
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Post by Kuririn Fan » Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:23 am

sintzu wrote:
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Erm, am I mistaken in believing that it was Funimation who was making those decisions?

As I recall, Harmony Gold tried to introduce original Dragon Ball to American audiences in the 1980's with quite limited success. Then Funimation tried again, but cancelled the project, and decided to start with DBZ.
I was talking about Japan, Toie made Kai to introduce new fans to the franchisee and they also skipped DB.

I knew they went straight to Z due to DB not blowing up like they thought it would but I didn't know they had plans to do it.
Kai was made so it can be a succes in the international market and Z is popular in USA so they wanted to milk that popularity. In the end, it was one big fail.

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Re: Why do so many people prefer DBZ to DB?

Post by sintzu » Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:33 am

Kuririn Fan wrote:
Kai was made so it can be a succes in the international market and Z is popular in USA so they wanted to milk that popularity.

In the end, it was one big fail.
Kai was made to bring in new Japanese fans, which is why it was released in Japan 1st, recorded with Japanese dialogue and sponsored by Japanese companies.

It was doing so bad internationally that an entire arc was made just for that market and it's #1 every week on Toonami even though it's going up against modern series like One Piece.
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Re: Why do so many people prefer DBZ to DB?

Post by Soppa Saia People » Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:37 am

sintzu wrote:
Kuririn Fan wrote:
Kai was made so it can be a succes in the international market and Z is popular in USA so they wanted to milk that popularity.

In the end, it was one big fail.
Kai was made to bring in new Japanese fans, which is why it was released in Japan 1st, recorded with Japanese dialogue and sponsored by Japanese companies.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't kai made for Z's 20th anniversary ?
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Post by Kuririn Fan » Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:38 am

sintzu wrote:
Kuririn Fan wrote:
Kai was made so it can be a succes in the international market and Z is popular in USA so they wanted to milk that popularity.

In the end, it was one big fail.

Kai was made to bring in new Japanese fans, which is why it was released in Japan 1st, recorded with Japanese dialogue and sponsored by Japanese companies.
Of course, and it was an epic fail.
And worldwide, majority of fans don't care about it and prefer Z.

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Post by sintzu » Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:45 am

Kuririn Fan wrote: Of course, and it was an epic fail.

And worldwide, majority of fans don't care about it and prefer Z.
During it's airing in Japan, wasn't it always in the top 10 in terms of ratings ? what failed was the merchandise and video games, not Kai.

How is it a timeless classic if people worldwide don't care about it ?
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Post by Kuririn Fan » Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:47 am

sintzu wrote:
Kuririn Fan wrote: Of course, and it was an epic fail.

And worldwide, majority of fans don't care about it and prefer Z.
During it's airing in Japan, wasn't it always in the top 10 in terms of ratings ? what failed was the merchandise and video games, not Kai.

How is it a timeless classic if people worldwide don't care about it ?
Japan, Europe, Latin America all saw DB before Z - the normal order - and they all like it and care about it.

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Post by RedRibbonSoldier#42 » Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:47 am

sintzu wrote:
Kuririn Fan wrote: Of course, and it was an epic fail.

And worldwide, majority of fans don't care about it and prefer Z.
During it's airing in Japan, wasn't it always in the top 10 in terms of ratings ? what failed was the merchandise and video games, not Kai.

How is it a timeless classic if people worldwide don't care about it ?
Tons of people worldwide care.

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Post by Dragon Ball Ireland » Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:53 am

sintzu wrote:
Kuririn Fan wrote: Of course, and it was an epic fail.

And worldwide, majority of fans don't care about it and prefer Z.
During it's airing in Japan, wasn't it always in the top 10 in terms of ratings ? what failed was the merchandise and video games, not Kai.

How is it a timeless classic if people worldwide don't care about it ?
Many fans of the Funimation cast (myself included) care about it because their version of Kai turned out to be the best English dub of the series ever created.
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Re: Why do so many people prefer DBZ to DB?

Post by sintzu » Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:54 am

Kuririn Fan wrote:
sintzu wrote:
Kuririn Fan wrote: Worldwide, majority of fans don't care about it and prefer Z.
How is it a timeless classic if people worldwide don't care about it ?
Japan, Europe, Latin America all saw DB before Z - the normal order - and they all like it and care about it.
You just said the majority of fans worldwide don't care about it but now they do ?
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Post by Kuririn Fan » Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:55 am

I was talking about Kai, sir.

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Post by sintzu » Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:57 am

Dragon Ball Ireland wrote:
Many fans of the Funimation cast (myself included) care about it because their version of Kai turned out to be the best English dub of the series ever created.
I was talking about DB, not Kai but yeah, it's easily the best way to watch Z in English.
Kuririn Fan wrote:I was talking about Kai, sir.
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Post by Kuririn Fan » Fri Apr 29, 2016 6:18 am

ABED wrote:Most of his popularity, yes, but not what makes him popular. All that depth and development means nothing if you don't see what he's developing from. If all you see is Z, all you will get is stories saying he was awful, but you won't see it. You will see him halfway through his arc, and it's not nearly as meaningful when he gives his life to save Gohan if you don't see Piccolo and Goku first as mortal enemies.
DB had pretty poor villains in general.
I agree to an extent. Red isn't a great villain, but I think Tao Pai Pai is as are Piccolo and Piccolo Daimao. Tenshinhan falls more into the antagonist category, but still, his arc in those episodes is fantastic.

Overall, DB is more enjoyable to me. It makes great use of its characters, it's fun, and has better fights. Goku being more proactive is a plus. In Z, the audience is constantly waiting for him.
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Re: Why do so many people prefer DBZ to DB?

Post by ABED » Fri Apr 29, 2016 7:09 am

Xeztin wrote:Oh God, as a kid I started with DBZ on the episode Gohan speared Raditz. At that point the action caught me the same way Ninja Turtles does my little cousin. Growing up with it, everyone in school tried to go Super Saiyan, I don't think anyone cared where Piccolo or the cast came from during my chilhood. It was the fighting, the character designs, music, and screaming that capitivated us. Before DBZ, we had your run of the mil cartoons like Johnny Bravo. DBZ showed us a mature different path, a gateway that till this day is helping other anime get dubbed. DBZ, Yugioh, and Halo were the big things all the kids liked growing up here. Everyone had an immediate connection with adult Goku.
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Re: Why do so many people prefer DBZ to DB?

Post by Gaffer Tape » Fri Apr 29, 2016 8:15 am

sintzu wrote:I'm not the only one who thinks this considering that's how Toie decided to introduce new kids and anime fans to the franchise.
I've seen this consistently in enough posts of yours to assume that it's not just a typo, but the name of the company behind the animated adaptations of Dragon Ball is Toei, not Toie. I hope this is helpful.
Xeztin wrote:Oh God, as a kid I started with DBZ on the episode Gohan speared Raditz. At that point the action caught me the same way Ninja Turtles does my little cousin. Growing up with it, everyone in school tried to go Super Saiyan, I don't think anyone cared where Piccolo or the cast came from during my chilhood. It was the fighting, the character designs, music, and screaming that capitivated us. Before DBZ, we had your run of the mil cartoons like Johnny Bravo. DBZ showed us a mature different path, a gateway that till this day is helping other anime get dubbed. DBZ, Yugioh, and Halo were the big things all the kids liked growing up here. Everyone had an immediate connection with adult Goku.
That is an interesting story and not too dissimilar from my own (although no one I knew cared about Yu-Gi-Oh, and I hated Halo). And maybe I'm just weird, but that same basis never stopped me from being fascinated in what came before. It tantalized me. In fact, it probably did moreso BECAUSE it was lost and mysterious. I remember being extremely amazed at that flashback Blooma had when she was captured by Freeza's men. There was actual footage of what came before! There was also my friend Justin, who was into DBZ like the rest of us, but he's actually seen the original Dragon Ball when it had aired! His memory was a bit fuzzy (he thought Piccolo was a grown-up version of Pilaf) and assumed those 13 episodes were literally the entire series. But he'd been there! When I got the Internet and found FUNimation's website and saw their store carried all the tapes, do you think I bought DBZ? Hell, no. I could record that off the TV. I bought every single tape of Dragon Ball, and my friends and I sat around in my room watching the first ever episode of how our favorite series began.

Later on, it was a huge boon to me to find Curtis Hoffmann's manga summaries because, for the first time, I was finally able to accurately fill in the gaps. When I got into the Japanese version and started getting fansubs, of the first three tapes I ordered, two were DB, and one was later DBZ America hadn't gotten yet. Again, maybe I'm just weird, but I can't imagine someone getting into DBZ, realizing the series had gone on for a few years prior to that, and not dying to know what all he/she'd missed.
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Post by sintzu » Fri Apr 29, 2016 8:26 am

Gaffer Tape wrote: I've seen this consistently in enough posts of yours to assume that it's not just a typo, but the name of the company behind the animated adaptations of Dragon Ball is Toei, not Toie. I hope this is helpful.
I never paid attention to that, thanks. :mrgreen:
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Post by Gohanhx » Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:43 am

There are many reasons for people liking Dragon Ball Z more than Dragon Ball. Every person has their personal preferences and I don't think it's a bad thing for someone to like Z more than the original series. Though, the thing that gets on my nerves is the fact that some people actually ignore or don't really care about 1986 series. I can understand people preferring DBZ's material to DB's but how can someone ignore the beginning of the story they love so much. Doesn't it bother them to be watching something while not knowing the correct histories of the characters.? It's mind blogging.

Personally, I don't see the two as separate in any regard. It's the same story adapted from an undivided manga. DBZ is the continuation of the adventures of Goku and his friends after beating Piccolo in the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai. The only difference is the addition of "Z" in the title (I think I hate the letter Z now). The entire story has got the same spirit and feel to it although Toriyama routinely transitions from comedy to action and action to comedy throughout the series. You can prefer certain parts of the story to others. You may think a certain arc is better than some others. There's no problem in that. Everyone has preferences. Just don't be a bitch and ignore the fucking 196 chapters of the manga and 153 episodes of the TV show. It's the part that builds everything up, introduces all the characters that you love, it's the part that gives meaning to everything that happens in Z.
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Post by SuicidalZerg » Fri Apr 29, 2016 12:39 pm

Gohanhx wrote:I can understand people preferring DBZ's material to DB's but how can someone ignore the beginning of the story they love so much. Doesn't it bother them to be watching something while not knowing the correct histories of the characters.? It's mind blogging
That's my thinking too. It certainly bothered me before I started watching it.
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