Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

So not only are the Gods of Destruction on another tier, but so is the Omni-King.

Goku and Vegeta have a very long-way to go.

[TheMikado]

Pretty much. Goku and Vegeta still need to be in the 8-9% range by the U6 arc.

What so what was SSJ Goku with God power then? Plus wouldn't that put Rageta in the same tier as SSB??

It would for a short while. It was described as a mutation or something. However the rage boost is not true power so it can't be scaled to anybody in any manner.

?! It's the one thing that CAN be scaled because we are given an actual number for comparison purposes.

[Marlowe89]

I don't think anyone watching that arc in Super would come to the conclusion that Rageta was anywhere close to SSG Goku, and I certainly don't think that was Toriyama's intention. Beerus said he was thoroughly entertained by Goku's newfound strength and was increasingly shocked by his improvements throughout their battle, yet basically snickered at Vegeta's.

Yeah, I'm still gonna stick to the scale Toriyama gave us himself. At this point, I can agree to disagree with everyone saying it was retconned after BOG because I really just don't see it that way. If the writers at Toei were planning to put Beerus that far above SSB Goku/Vegeta then they should have taken the 10% line out.

[TheMikado]

^ it's not even the line itself that's the problem. The issue is nothing has been really stated either way so it makes it's incredibly vague and confusing. If it's retconned fine but give us some thing to work with at least.

[Khin]

Beerus: "If he felt like it, Omni-King could wipe out all 12 universes in the blink of an eye!"

Straight from Herms.

Omni King rules all.

Unless of course,Tori-bot comes into the party.

[Faisal Shourov]

So not only are the Gods of Destruction on another tier, but so is the Omni-King.

Goku and Vegeta have a very long-way to go.

Given that Toriayma said Goku aint surpassing Beerus anytime soon, I wonder if Goku will ever get even close to Omni King. Probably not

[DragonHermit]

So not only are the Gods of Destruction on another tier, but so is the Omni-King.

Goku and Vegeta have a very long-way to go.

Given that Toriayma said Goku aint surpassing Beerus anytime soon, I wonder if Goku will ever get even close to Omni King. Probably not

He won't ever get close to Omni King.

[kinisking]

It would for a short while. It was described as a mutation or something. However the rage boost is not true power so it can't be scaled to anybody in any manner.

LOL if vegeta actually got that strong from a rage boost that would be the shittiest writing i've ever seen. He's never gotten that strong from rage and now suddenly his rage boosts are way bigger than gohan's ever were?

[apex_pretador]

So if anyone had to guess, what level was Beers most likely fighting Super Saiyan God Goku at?

What about this:

Beerus (regular power) = 100 (regular aura / violet aura)

Rageta = 1
Goku (everyone's ki) = 3

SSG goku = 20 -> 35

SSB goku = 60

Beerus (Power of god of destruction) = 666 (Dark purple aura)

[Vados_chan]

I really wish people would stop using that stupid number system that AT used as a joke for BoG

I really wish you would actually post something contributive instead of insulting the opinions of other people.

Until there's some official statement outright declaring Toriyama's numbers as non-canon or invalid, we should be entirely free to use them if we want to. Some might assume that they've been retconned, which is fine, but that's not directly confirmed by Toriyama or any other representative involved in Super.

People blew those comments out of proportion. They were just some aside comments by Toriyama in some random interview, and people have been using them like they're words of the gospel. I doubt he even remembers that interview.

Also if Beerus is a 10 than SSBKKX10 Goku is a 10 or 11 and AT said recently he had no plans for Goku and Vegeta to equal/surpass the likes of Beerus anytime soon.

[Bullza]

So Omni King is a casual Multiverse buster then.

Come along from when Goku blew up a car with his Kamehameha.

[Pannaliciour]

Goku lifting Omni-King with one hand in base: Goku>>>>>>>>>>>> Omni-King??

[Bullza]

Surely they've finally hit a limit with Zeno haven't they? What more can they possibly do after being able to destroy all that there is?

I know Goku isn't anything to him and it could take a very long time for him to even surpass Beerus but eventually there's gotta be some villain who'll be as strong as Zeno and Goku will beat him and then what?

12 Multiverses?

[TheMikado]

It would for a short while. It was described as a mutation or something. However the rage boost is not true power so it can't be scaled to anybody in any manner.

LOL if vegeta actually got that strong from a rage boost that would be the shittiest writing i've ever seen. He's never gotten that strong from rage and now suddenly his rage boosts are way bigger than gohan's ever were?

Bingo, he's had his entire planet destroyed, his son killed, etc. he's had plenty to rage over. For context, if he had got then level of rage boost against Frieza he would have won easily. Likely barely even trying one shot with 10% of his full rage boost power lol.

[Faisal Shourov]

It would for a short while. It was described as a mutation or something. However the rage boost is not true power so it can't be scaled to anybody in any manner.

LOL if vegeta actually got that strong from a rage boost that would be the shittiest writing i've ever seen. He's never gotten that strong from rage and now suddenly his rage boosts are way bigger than gohan's ever were?

Of course it was shitty writing, even without any percentage. You could say it was a joke scene but Vegeta's rage boost was crazy big no doubt

Moral of the story- people shouldn't take the power scaling in Dragon Ball seriously, let alone numbers. Dragon Ball by Toriyama is still a comedy and he writes it for kids who love explosions and corny jokes.

Cabba who turned SSJ for the first time in his life was matching Vegeta, now that is also bad writing.

[Chiki]

In the ep 42 preview, Goku powers up in base form like he did in RoF. Hmm...

[Marlowe89]

People blew those comments out of proportion. They were just some aside comments by Toriyama in some random interview, and people have been using them like they're words of the gospel. I doubt he even remembers that interview.

They weren't "aside comments" that Toriyama just made up on the spot, they specifically line up with Beerus's line in BOG when he said that he used 70% of his power to beat Goku. Your opinion on whether he remembers those numbers is purely speculative and also pretty unlikely since they were enforced more than once.

Now the question of whether they were retconned and whether Super uses different numbers is another matter entirely, but everyone has discussed that point to death by now and there hasn't been any progress so it's probably best if we just move on from that topic.

LOL if vegeta actually got that strong from a rage boost that would be the shittiest writing i've ever seen. He's never gotten that strong from rage and now suddenly his rage boosts are way bigger than gohan's ever were?

He didn't get that strong from it. Beerus was able to effortlessly one-shot him using 10% of his power, whereas SSG Goku could defend himself against a much more entertained Beerus for an extended period of time.

[TheMikado]

In the ep 42 preview, Goku powers up in base form like he did in RoF. Hmm...

Please no, please God base no! We don't need literally another wrench to throw into this insane mix

[Doctor.]

Zen'ou's bodyguards have the same travelling skill as Whis/Vados and don't need a staff for it. Are they stronger or as strong as those two, perhaps?

[LightBing]

Zen'ou's bodyguards have the same travelling skill as Whis/Vados and don't need a staff for it. Are they stronger or as strong as those two, perhaps?

It's a skill, it isn't necessarily connected to strength. They immediately stepped in front of the Omni-King when Goku made his move, they should be stronger than him at the very least.